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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 3, 2022 3:44:25 GMT -5
I want Bayley to post in this thread and say "Oh Yeah, well the lame store called and said they're all out of You, Ding Dong Hello" Personally, I'd lie every statement Bayley makes to end with Ding Dong, Hello "Here's your Pizza Miss Bayley, that will be 10.95?" "Thanks, and there's a generous tip in there because I love supporting local businesses, DING DONG, HELLO??" I like to think when the pizza man comes to knock on the door at Bayley's House she opens the door first and says Ding Dong Hello I am the one who knocks.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 3, 2022 4:09:05 GMT -5
One thing they are useful now for is establishing tiers for the other women. You got people who can beat them up 3 on 1(Becky,Bianca), Liv & Tegan are now a tier below at 3 on 2. Now we have to establish who can beat them 3 on 3 and even finding the dorks who lose to them at the bottom. Seriously though, I hope IYO just leaves the group after they eventually lose the tag tag titles. Realizes they are a complete failure and says this is why I worked alone in NXT. Dakota can follow Bayley around for a couple months after that before feuding with to establish her as a face. I would say that Emma/Shotzi/Raquel trio from tonight is a strong contender for tier that loses to them three on three. It took all three of them run off Shayna Baszler and after she had already easily beat up two of them individually.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 3, 2022 4:51:09 GMT -5
That’s one of the ways Hunter can shake things up. Do away with this “if you’re not going after one if the belts, you’re either in a thrown together multi team tag title match, or a meaningless battle Royale” idea that Vince had for the women at Mania. The women... the midcard... the tag team... the celebrity usually... basically everything but the main event >_> Given the Bad Bunny vs. Dominik Mysterio rumor I think people are putting waaaay too much faith into Triple H doing different shit at Mania.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 3, 2022 10:47:54 GMT -5
The women... the midcard... the tag team... the celebrity usually... basically everything but the main event >_> Given the Bad Bunny vs. Dominik Mysterio rumor I think people are putting waaaay too much faith into Triple H doing different shit at Mania. I think celebrity matches will/should be a staple of big stadium shows, including Mania, at least while you have celebrities like Bunny and Paul.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 4, 2022 0:09:52 GMT -5
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 4, 2022 4:09:21 GMT -5
Well we didn't actually see Damage Ctrl beat them up. It's more likely Asuka and Mia slipped on wet floor and hurt themselves with Damage Ctrl then just happening to be walking by and taking credit for it to give the illusion that they aren't incompetent dorks who can't beat anyone up.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 4, 2022 4:19:47 GMT -5
Gee, I f***ing wonder why WWE don't want their top stars to lose clean. Maybe it's the absolute disdain and contempt that those who do lose clean get treated with by the fanbase once they do.
I thought you guys were fans of these women, yet most of the thread now is just calling them idiots.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 4, 2022 10:14:27 GMT -5
Well we didn't actually see Damage Ctrl beat them up. It's more likely Asuka and Mia slipped on wet floor and hurt themselves with Damage Ctrl then just happening to be walking by and taking credit for it to give the illusion that they aren't incompetent dorks who can't beat anyone up. I don't know. Asuka & Mia looked pretty embarrassed and humiliated. I would think slipping on the floor would be less humiliating than getting beat up by Damage Ctrl. And as I say that, I'm now picturing Judgement Day walking by them and pointing and laughing at Mia as the supposed "Rhea Stopper" couldn't even stop Damage Ctrl.
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Post by mistery on Dec 4, 2022 10:22:20 GMT -5
Gee, I f***ing wonder why WWE don't want their top stars to lose clean. Maybe it's the absolute disdain and contempt that those who do lose clean get treated with by the fanbase once they do. I thought you guys were fans of these women, yet most of the thread now is just calling them idiots. Well gee. I wonder why that is. Maybe its because I can probably count on one hand how many times Damage CTRL has looked competent or well booked. Otherwise they constantly lose and look weak even with the numbers advantage. Tell me why fans should take them seriously when they get ran off by pretty much every babyface on the roster except for Dana Brooke and Tamina? And lose 1v3 brawls where they even have weapons, against babyfaces who do not (Becky)? On top of being chumped out 1 on 3 against Bianca at Extreme Rules, despite Iyo and Dakota being fresh, and Bianca having gone through complete hell before that?
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Post by gl83 on Dec 5, 2022 11:13:03 GMT -5
Well we didn't actually see Damage Ctrl beat them up. It's more likely Asuka and Mia slipped on wet floor and hurt themselves with Damage Ctrl then just happening to be walking by and taking credit for it to give the illusion that they aren't incompetent dorks who can't beat anyone up. On the upside, in this match Dakota was the one who got the decisive fall for the win. Which is a improvement, since previously it was only IYO who got the wins for the team at these live events. So, maybe Dakota's stock is starting to rise a bit within the group.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 5, 2022 11:23:22 GMT -5
Gee, I f***ing wonder why WWE don't want their top stars to lose clean. Maybe it's the absolute disdain and contempt that those who do lose clean get treated with by the fanbase once they do. I thought you guys were fans of these women, yet most of the thread now is just calling them idiots. I think it just all depends on context (at least for me). Dakota losing a highly competitive match against Candice didn't hurt her at all in my eyes. That's the kind of loss that more helps the winner than hurts the loser. But I do think some of the non-wrestling segments where they are just outmatched despite having a number's advantage really makes them look worse than it does help their foe in those cases because they should prevail in those situations.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 5, 2022 11:47:58 GMT -5
Gee, I f***ing wonder why WWE don't want their top stars to lose clean. Maybe it's the absolute disdain and contempt that those who do lose clean get treated with by the fanbase once they do. I thought you guys were fans of these women, yet most of the thread now is just calling them idiots. I think it just all depends on context (at least for me). Dakota losing a highly competitive match against Candice didn't hurt her at all in my eyes. That's the kind of loss that more helps the winner than hurts the loser. But I do think some of the non-wrestling segments where they are just outmatched despite having a number's advantage really makes them look worse than it does help their foe in those cases because they should prevail in those situations. Dakota losing a highly competitive match 2 nights after everything she endured at War Games and after she got ambushed by Candice before the match had even started strangely enough makes her look pretty strong. The non-wrestling segments do make them weak, but at least on Smackdown it took Liv bringing out a equalizer to drive them off.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 5, 2022 12:16:24 GMT -5
Gee, I f***ing wonder why WWE don't want their top stars to lose clean. Maybe it's the absolute disdain and contempt that those who do lose clean get treated with by the fanbase once they do. I thought you guys were fans of these women, yet most of the thread now is just calling them idiots. I think it just all depends on context (at least for me). Dakota losing a highly competitive match against Candice didn't hurt her at all in my eyes. That's the kind of loss that more helps the winner than hurts the loser. But I do think some of the non-wrestling segments where they are just outmatched despite having a number's advantage really makes them look worse than it does help their foe in those cases because they should prevail in those situations. I just always feel like… Why the f*** am I always being made to feel like the weirdo for being calm, pragmatic and optimistic about these women when the other side is a bunch of people SCREAMING at me for months on end that their careers are literally over after every single segment?
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Post by mistery on Dec 5, 2022 12:18:42 GMT -5
I think it just all depends on context (at least for me). Dakota losing a highly competitive match against Candice didn't hurt her at all in my eyes. That's the kind of loss that more helps the winner than hurts the loser. But I do think some of the non-wrestling segments where they are just outmatched despite having a number's advantage really makes them look worse than it does help their foe in those cases because they should prevail in those situations. Dakota losing a highly competitive match 2 nights after everything she endured at War Games and after she got ambushed by Candice before the match had even started strangely enough makes her look pretty strong. The non-wrestling segments do make them weak, but at least on Smackdown it took Liv bringing out a equalizer to drive them off. Yeah. For better (For Dakota) or for worse (Iyo and Bayley), it seems like Dakota is getting the lions share of the screentime now involving the group. I realistically don't know how you can fix Iyo and Bayley's situations though. Because Iyo had two matches against the RAW Women's Champion who dominated 95% of the match and never looked in danger of losing, and has only won two singles matches on the main roster (Alexa and Dana, and Alexa controlled the majority of the offense in their match as well). Like...I don't know what Triple H's goal is with Iyo, but she needs some pretty strong wins and matches under her belt, which she isn't getting for the most part. It doesn't help that fans online are incredibly hostile towards her, and not the kayfabe heel way. Anyways, I feel like the Candice win is setting up her feuding with Bayley soon enough. She did an interview on RAW Talk last week saying that Iyo is going down next, and then Bayley. Although I have to question Damage CTRL taking so many losses in this short of a timeframe. Because if all (or hell even Dakota and Iyo) lose to Candice, and they'll likely lose to Tegan and Liv as well, that pretty much cements them as complete losers and puts them significantly behind every other woman in the company. I also feel like if WWE wants to present Iyo and Dakota as actual big deals in the division, then they should be winning more often than not, and be presented as equals. I think it just all depends on context (at least for me). Dakota losing a highly competitive match against Candice didn't hurt her at all in my eyes. That's the kind of loss that more helps the winner than hurts the loser. But I do think some of the non-wrestling segments where they are just outmatched despite having a number's advantage really makes them look worse than it does help their foe in those cases because they should prevail in those situations. I just always feel like… Why the f*** am I always being made to feel like the weirdo for being calm, pragmatic and optimistic about these women when the other side is a bunch of people SCREAMING at me for months on end that their careers are literally over after every single segment? You are being called out because it's not just "one or two segments" that make them look bad. It's almost every segment. I can count the number of times Damage CTRL has stood tall in segments. And they just constantly get ran off or laid out by the babyfaces otherwise. And lose brawls that they shouldn't be losing. Now I don't speak for everyone, but I think it should be pretty obvious why people are pissed off about their booking. Because they are portrayed as weak and ineffective, and never really win when it actually matters, and constantly lose in brawls where they have the numbers and potentially the weapons advantage. Yeah they got the tag titles back, but those titles are pretty much worthless. And that's why their stock is tanking among casual fans, and killing reactions. It's because the group has never been truly booked as strong or even remotely a threat. And it's incredibly frustrating to see Triple H very clearly mishandle women like Iyo and Dakota (Iyo is a once in a generation talent, and Dakota is incredibly talented herself), feeding them to every other woman on the roster that isn't named Dana Brooke or Tamina basically.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 12:22:30 GMT -5
Dakotas characterizaton last week IMO only truly makes sense if they plan to break this group up in the near future , otherwise it just kind of becomes a wash because she just goes back to loserville when they have to do anything as a group.
But it does make this thing with Candice interesting because Dakota got to come off very babyface like against her so will the other 2 be booked in similar fashion.
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Post by mistery on Dec 5, 2022 12:38:11 GMT -5
Dakotas characterizaton last week IMO only truly makes sense if they plan to break this group up in the near future , otherwise it just kind of becomes a wash because she just goes back to loserville when they have to do anything as a group. But it does make this thing with Candice interesting because Dakota got to come off very babyface like against her so will the other 2 be booked in similar fashion. I doubt Dakota's actions will matter at all considering she openly did heel things on Smackdown still. And I don't see that changing on RAW going forward either. It feels like her match against Candice was just a way to get Candice some heat or more of an edge since her main roster run so far has been very underwhelming. I do think that Triple H sees a lot more in Dakota though than Iyo and Bayley at the moment, since fans have been reacting more to Dakota's stuff, while Iyo gets pushed onto the backburner more often than not.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 5, 2022 12:39:25 GMT -5
We callin' people out because they aren't going along with the group consensus then?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 5, 2022 12:56:33 GMT -5
We callin' people out because they aren't going along with the group consensus then? Tiny bit weird but it happens
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 5, 2022 13:40:10 GMT -5
Damage CTRL discourse is at boy who cried wolf territory for me. Even if they faced some actual career killing moment now I'd probably doubt it at first because I've already heard that they were dead and buried multiple times then they end up in a big spot at the next PPV and we go through the same song and dance all over again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 14:07:45 GMT -5
Bayley got chumped every single match with Bianca
Dmg Cntrl has not been able to sustain any momentum week to week because when they do , it is immediately washed because they get chumped the very next week.
Multiple times cannot complete a successful beatdown when they clearly have the numbers advantage and gotten chumped out by one single woman multiple times.
Use whatever word one wants to but there is no IMO arugueing against how they have been presented as complete goobs and that perception is damaging to every single woman in this trio but especially IYO and Dakota as they are the new faces to the larger casual audience.
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