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Post by lavelleuk22 on Sept 26, 2022 13:49:54 GMT -5
Ha I felt the opposite, I used to be a huge rap fan, but every "rap" on AEW has been awful. Maybe it's the environment, but you shouldn't hire guys to rap live if they're bad at it. Maybe their heavily produced albums are better, but man seeing guys out of breath after 1 line or skipping words to try and breath is just cringy Or maybe I'm just old Seeing guys online not know Fabolous and seeing others describe him as "a guy who was hot 20 years ago" maybe proves I'm just out of touch lol But in all honesty I've never been a fan of crossovers, ok some will like it but many others will dislike or just not understand it, I could be wrong but I doubt people watch AEW in the hopes of catching 20 seconds of a rapper walking I assume many of these acts are simply out of their element or out of their time... as mentioned. Can be laterally applied to any genre. Exhibit A was Motorhead's singer at Mania 17! (The fun-with-Ahmed style deciphering of his 'lyrics' is always hilarious to me: "I am the Game and I want steak!") Loudly rocking a wrestling crowd is surely much different than a night club atmosphere with the restraints of cable TV time and content. The Griselda guy who rapped Garcia to the ring in Buffalo is a prime example of flopping eventhough he's in his 'prime'. Max Caster he was not. But Trina is a name that hasn't meant anything to me since 2007. I guess she's on some VH1 housewives show nowadays though. That said, many all time greats are simply mediocre live. Nas and Rakim are prime examples of never having blow-you-away charisma or energy in a live concert setting. While many lesser acclaimed rappers with much less artistic merit are top-notch on-stage. Circling back to wrestling, compare this to why Huck Hogan was massively over and Terry Taylor was not. Oh yeah I get even great artists might not be too good live, I agree with Nas, Dead Pres weren't very good when I saw them either,but if they're not known for being able to perform live I'd rather they just not force it lol Trina I wouldn't have minded as she didn't perform...but my god she looked so bored!! No idea what she was paid but acting like you'd rather be anywhere else...I'd want my money back lol
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Post by lavelleuk22 on Sept 26, 2022 13:51:19 GMT -5
The more time goes on, the more it's looking like HHH not seeing anything in Swerve will become his biggest faux pas. Man that song, you know the one, got stuck on my head for years. I'd forgot all about it, now it's going yo be stick for next few years
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 26, 2022 13:54:21 GMT -5
Bronson was surprisingly good (or maybe not that surprising given recent celeb matches). He came off like a decent big man wrestler and looked believable.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 26, 2022 14:00:07 GMT -5
Bronson was surprisingly good (or maybe not that surprising given recent celeb matches). He came off like a decent big man wrestler and looked believable. I guess if you call yourself Action, you probably want to live up to that.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Sept 26, 2022 15:54:38 GMT -5
Bronson was surprisingly good (or maybe not that surprising given recent celeb matches). He came off like a decent big man wrestler and looked believable. Bronson visibly catching himself and getting frustrated after he said "Balls" during his entrance rap made me laugh
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Sept 26, 2022 17:14:21 GMT -5
The line between fan taking in the sights and sounds while having fun and making friends VS. person appearing at a paid gig is easy to spot across any and all celeb involvements in wrestling.
We want more Mega Rans, Action Bronsons and Shaqs. We need fewer Trinas, guys-who-said-"Summerfest" and yawning Mike Tysons! Is Cyndi Lauper still available to come smack Britt with her purse and make fun of Reba??!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 27, 2022 2:43:52 GMT -5
Ha I felt the opposite, I used to be a huge rap fan, but every "rap" on AEW has been awful. Maybe it's the environment, but you shouldn't hire guys to rap live if they're bad at it. Maybe their heavily produced albums are better, but man seeing guys out of breath after 1 line or skipping words to try and breath is just cringy Or maybe I'm just old Seeing guys online not know Fabolous and seeing others describe him as "a guy who was hot 20 years ago" maybe proves I'm just out of touch lol But in all honesty I've never been a fan of crossovers, ok some will like it but many others will dislike or just not understand it, I could be wrong but I doubt people watch AEW in the hopes of catching 20 seconds of a rapper walking I assume many of these acts are simply out of their element or out of their time... as mentioned. Can be laterally applied to any genre. Exhibit A was Motorhead's singer at Mania 17! (The fun-with-Ahmed style deciphering of his 'lyrics' is always hilarious to me: "I am the Game and I want steak!") Loudly rocking a wrestling crowd is surely much different than a night club atmosphere with the restraints of cable TV time and content. The Griselda guy who rapped Garcia to the ring in Buffalo is a prime example of flopping eventhough he's in his 'prime'. Max Caster he was not. But Trina is a name that hasn't meant anything to me since 2007. I guess she's on some VH1 housewives show nowadays though. That said, many all time greats are simply mediocre live. Nas and Rakim are prime examples of never having blow-you-away charisma or energy in a live concert setting. While many lesser acclaimed rappers with much less artistic merit are top-notch on-stage. Circling back to wrestling, compare this to why Huck Hogan was massively over and Terry Taylor was not. I mean your first example is just Lemmy... he didn't remember the words to his own songs... let alone one written by someone else
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 27, 2022 2:47:02 GMT -5
Also damn for as much as I don't really interact with modern hip-hop and so for instance I only know Action Bronson from his food shows, I'm all for these cameos and for these bits if they're in service of getting AEW in front of more eyes and getting its wrestlers some pop cultural traction. For as maligned and questionable as wrestling guest spots can be, when you have active musicians who have followings and who come from a world where respect and "the nod" can mean something, if that approval and connection is there, go for it. It's not about getting someone to tune in to see that guest star out of novelty, it's about putting people into the same frame and about getting that recognition. Jeremy Piven (Summerfest Guy) was not on Raw to promote Raw or get his fans to tune in to Raw, he was there to promote his movie as part of its media cycle. When someone is rapping a wrestler out to the ring, that is all about the wrestler in that moment. Wanna see more of it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 27, 2022 2:50:08 GMT -5
Also damn for as much as I don't really interact with modern hip-hop and so for instance I only know Action Bronson from his food shows, I'm all for these cameos and for these bits if they're in service of getting AEW in front of more eyes and getting its wrestlers some pop cultural traction. For as maligned and questionable as wrestling guest spots can be, when you have active musicians who have followings and who come from a world where respect and "the nod" can mean something, if that approval and connection is there, go for it. It's not about getting someone to tune in to see that guest star out of novelty, it's about putting people into the same frame and about getting that recognition. Jeremy Piven (Summerfest Guy) was not on Raw to promote Raw or get his fans to tune in to Raw, he was there to promote his movie as part of its media cycle. When someone is rapping a wrestler out to the ring, that is all about the wrestler in that moment. Wanna see more of it. Yeah, the Guest Hosts of Raw... were almost all there to hype whatever project they were doing the circuit on and rarely was it... I'm here because I like Wrestling.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 27, 2022 3:00:00 GMT -5
Also it was always easy to spot who was there for the hype spot... (Banned from Summerfest) and who was there because they wanted to be... (or at least were able to act like they wanted to be)
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 27, 2022 3:01:28 GMT -5
Also damn for as much as I don't really interact with modern hip-hop and so for instance I only know Action Bronson from his food shows, I'm all for these cameos and for these bits if they're in service of getting AEW in front of more eyes and getting its wrestlers some pop cultural traction. For as maligned and questionable as wrestling guest spots can be, when you have active musicians who have followings and who come from a world where respect and "the nod" can mean something, if that approval and connection is there, go for it. It's not about getting someone to tune in to see that guest star out of novelty, it's about putting people into the same frame and about getting that recognition. Jeremy Piven (Summerfest Guy) was not on Raw to promote Raw or get his fans to tune in to Raw, he was there to promote his movie as part of its media cycle. When someone is rapping a wrestler out to the ring, that is all about the wrestler in that moment. Wanna see more of it. Yeah, the Guest Hosts of Raw... were almost all there to hype whatever project they were doing the circuit on and rarely was it... I'm here because I like Wrestling. It was a horrible side effect of being a network mandate rather than something flowing organically, and I imagine they played a big part in it, too. Jeremy Piven showed up on Jimmy Fallon to advertise his movie, and I think that being on NBC isn't a coincidence, given how late night talk shows are by and large just media circuit ad spots. I have to think they also pitched having him and Jeong make an appearance on Raw to his agent and it happened. Either way, a lot of people were pulled in for no reason other than "they're famous" and it was a shitshow. But Action Bronson, old ECW fan who ended up being friends with Hook? He's gonna give some kind of a shit about being there. Buffalo rapper who comes out just to rep a hometown guy in a title match? Even if he doesn't give a shit and he's getting paid, he's not stinking the joint up. Those are the angles to play. Someone doesn't even really need to like wrestling if you understand how to utilize them in a way where they don't have to show that.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 27, 2022 3:12:21 GMT -5
Yeah, the Guest Hosts of Raw... were almost all there to hype whatever project they were doing the circuit on and rarely was it... I'm here because I like Wrestling. It was a horrible side effect of being a network mandate rather than something flowing organically, and I imagine they played a big part in it, too. Jeremy Piven showed up on Jimmy Fallon to advertise his movie, and I think that being on NBC isn't a coincidence, given how late night talk shows are by and large just media circuit ad spots. I have to think they also pitched having him and Jeong make an appearance on Raw to his agent and it happened. Either way, a lot of people were pulled in for no reason other than "they're famous" and it was a shitshow. But Action Bronson, old ECW fan who ended up being friends with Hook? He's gonna give some kind of a shit about being there. Buffalo rapper who comes out just to rep a hometown guy in a title match? Even if he doesn't give a shit and he's getting paid, he's not stinking the joint up. Those are the angles to play. Someone doesn't even really need to like wrestling if you understand how to utilize them in a way where they don't have to show that. Similar going with the guest host thing is... Bob Barker. Somehow I doubt he gave a shit about Wrestling but he managed to make it look like he did in one of the better reviewed Guest Host spots.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 27, 2022 3:49:28 GMT -5
It was a horrible side effect of being a network mandate rather than something flowing organically, and I imagine they played a big part in it, too. Jeremy Piven showed up on Jimmy Fallon to advertise his movie, and I think that being on NBC isn't a coincidence, given how late night talk shows are by and large just media circuit ad spots. I have to think they also pitched having him and Jeong make an appearance on Raw to his agent and it happened. Either way, a lot of people were pulled in for no reason other than "they're famous" and it was a shitshow. But Action Bronson, old ECW fan who ended up being friends with Hook? He's gonna give some kind of a shit about being there. Buffalo rapper who comes out just to rep a hometown guy in a title match? Even if he doesn't give a shit and he's getting paid, he's not stinking the joint up. Those are the angles to play. Someone doesn't even really need to like wrestling if you understand how to utilize them in a way where they don't have to show that. Similar going with the guest host thing is... Bob Barker. Somehow I doubt he gave a shit about Wrestling but he managed to make it look like he did in one of the better reviewed Guest Host spots. Bob Barker and The Muppets reign supreme as the top guest host gigs WWE ever did Sheamus and Beaker's interaction is still legendary to me.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 27, 2022 3:51:23 GMT -5
It was a horrible side effect of being a network mandate rather than something flowing organically, and I imagine they played a big part in it, too. Jeremy Piven showed up on Jimmy Fallon to advertise his movie, and I think that being on NBC isn't a coincidence, given how late night talk shows are by and large just media circuit ad spots. I have to think they also pitched having him and Jeong make an appearance on Raw to his agent and it happened. Either way, a lot of people were pulled in for no reason other than "they're famous" and it was a shitshow. But Action Bronson, old ECW fan who ended up being friends with Hook? He's gonna give some kind of a shit about being there. Buffalo rapper who comes out just to rep a hometown guy in a title match? Even if he doesn't give a shit and he's getting paid, he's not stinking the joint up. Those are the angles to play. Someone doesn't even really need to like wrestling if you understand how to utilize them in a way where they don't have to show that. Similar going with the guest host thing is... Bob Barker. Somehow I doubt he gave a shit about Wrestling but he managed to make it look like he did in one of the better reviewed Guest Host spots. Hugh Jackman admitted he had no interest too as I recall, but had a great moment to pop the crowd.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 27, 2022 6:06:18 GMT -5
Similar going with the guest host thing is... Bob Barker. Somehow I doubt he gave a shit about Wrestling but he managed to make it look like he did in one of the better reviewed Guest Host spots. Hugh Jackman admitted he had no interest too as I recall, but had a great moment to pop the crowd. Hugh wanted to be there. He also really wanted to meet the Brooklyn Brawler
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 27, 2022 7:32:02 GMT -5
I joke that AEW has become my intro to current rap
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Sept 27, 2022 10:01:51 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more confused I get about this Trina appearance
Now leaving aside I had no idea who she was originally. Because Google is a thing so figured it out
Why not just have her come to the ring with Jade? Why have her show up with someone who’s not been on TV in a year and then “shock” people by slapping her. What purpose did it serve? I just want to curl up into a ball and cry trying to figure it out (Olay not really but I do wonder about the point of why they did it that way lol)
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 27, 2022 10:18:09 GMT -5
When they finally come to Britain I hope they bring in Ms Dynamite. That would require her to ever do anything ever He said not actually knowing at all what she us to now Book Akala instead even if he doesn't have the name!
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 27, 2022 10:20:27 GMT -5
It was a horrible side effect of being a network mandate rather than something flowing organically, and I imagine they played a big part in it, too. Jeremy Piven showed up on Jimmy Fallon to advertise his movie, and I think that being on NBC isn't a coincidence, given how late night talk shows are by and large just media circuit ad spots. I have to think they also pitched having him and Jeong make an appearance on Raw to his agent and it happened. Either way, a lot of people were pulled in for no reason other than "they're famous" and it was a shitshow. But Action Bronson, old ECW fan who ended up being friends with Hook? He's gonna give some kind of a shit about being there. Buffalo rapper who comes out just to rep a hometown guy in a title match? Even if he doesn't give a shit and he's getting paid, he's not stinking the joint up. Those are the angles to play. Someone doesn't even really need to like wrestling if you understand how to utilize them in a way where they don't have to show that. Similar going with the guest host thing is... Bob Barker. Somehow I doubt he gave a shit about Wrestling but he managed to make it look like he did in one of the better reviewed Guest Host spots. It tells you one thing about Bob Barker and one thing about Piven and Jeong, and it is that only one of the three is a f***ing professional
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Post by Cyno on Sept 27, 2022 10:47:25 GMT -5
I don't think anything made me hate an actor and reflexively avoid his entire body of work like Jeremy Piven's guest host spot on Raw.
Ken Jeong won me back with Community.
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