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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 1, 2022 16:31:58 GMT -5
Arguably the only reason Roman may have gotten cheered in the final two of the 2014 rumble was probably because people were just that dead set on not seeing Batista win if that counts. I’d say that was like 65% of it. The other 35% was Roman wrecking shop in that Rumble and being presented as a silent badass still. The very next year, Rusev got some of his biggest crowd support ever as the final man against Roman, who was now in Batista’s role.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 1, 2022 16:38:05 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal's stuff with Styles was about the only time he seemed to get a major reaction, which is not surprising given how good 2017 AJ was as a babyface.
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Post by tntchamp on Oct 1, 2022 18:41:12 GMT -5
Arguably the only reason Roman may have gotten cheered in the final two of the 2014 rumble was probably because people were just that dead set on not seeing Batista win if that counts. I’d say that was like 65% of it. The other 35% was Roman wrecking shop in that Rumble and being presented as a silent badass still. The very next year, Rusev got some of his biggest crowd support ever as the final man against Roman, who was now in Batista’s role. It is amazing how everything they could have gotten right from Roman with 2014 rumble, the 2015 rumble did the complete opposite
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Post by Vanilla Gorilla on Oct 1, 2022 23:30:42 GMT -5
What about Test with HHH?
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Oct 2, 2022 3:11:47 GMT -5
What about Test with HHH? What about HHH? I've heard the argument many times, that a lot of his popularity was because of his opponents, not him necessarily.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 2, 2022 4:12:51 GMT -5
What about Test with HHH? Test was over during his story with Steph and Shane, before HHH was involved
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Post by lavelleuk22 on Oct 2, 2022 4:43:06 GMT -5
Basically anybody who turns on The Miz. Daniel Bryan was never over again sadly lol
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 20, 2022 13:00:16 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say The Patriot during his WWF run. With Bret Hart and The Hart Foundation waging war on the US, it was only fitting that The Patriot would be the perfect foil to clash with. It was only for like, what a month?
As unfortunate as it was that Del Wilkes got injured(and forced into early retirement), he pretty much left at the right time anyway. Take away the feud against The Anti-American Hitman and all you have is a patriotic do-gooding babyface, which would've been fine 10 years earlier, but with the Attitude Era about to usher in at full force, I can't see him fitting in with the times since that time period called for edgier, raunchier characters.
I'll even go as far to say if The Patriot stuck around say, past Survivor Series 97(he was scheduled to be on Team America), fans might've even turned on him which would either a)force WWF to push him down the card before outright releasing him, or b)have him revamp his character to keep him relevant(I even did a thread on it).
So yeah, that's my pick.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 20, 2022 13:08:57 GMT -5
Miz and Baron Corbin deserve medals for actually making Alex Riley and f***ing Madcap Moss look like actual players instead of who they really were, just dudes
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 20, 2022 14:27:45 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes in 2009 (I think) was not really over at all but when they teased him standing up to Randy Orton the crowd suddenly went crazy. They did it a few times and never followed through and people eventually gave up caring and by the time they did do the actual split Orton was the one the crowd cheered. Wade Barrett got huge heat against John Cena but no one really cared when he faced the likes of Orton/Edge/Jericho in 2010. Compare the crowd reactions of Barrett/Cena at Hell in a Cell and TLC to Barrett/Orton at Bragging Rights and Survivor Series. This is one thing that I've noticed with Cena. Barret, Khali, Lashley, Umaga. The fans either only mildly reacted, or didn't care at all. Then Cena faces them. And they get nuclear reactions. Cena had that Hogan quality to make them seem like threats and have awesome matches. Undertaker, HHH, HBK, they had snooze fests against Khali. Cena had TWO very good, very compelling matches against him. Barret, like you said, got nuclear heat against Cena. That segment where the crowd chants "Never Give Up" to Cena is goosebumps inducing. Cena is the GOAT for a reason.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 20, 2022 14:45:04 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say The Patriot during his WWF run. With Bret Hart and The Hart Foundation waging war on the US, it was only fitting that The Patriot would be the perfect foil to clash with. It was only for like, what a month? As unfortunate as it was that Del Wilkes got injured(and forced into early retirement), he pretty much left at the right time anyway. Take away the feud against The Anti-American Hitman and all you have is a patriotic do-gooding babyface, which would've been fine 10 years earlier, but with the Attitude Era about to usher in at full force, I can't see him fitting in with the times since that time period called for edgier, raunchier characters. I'll even go as far to say if The Patriot stuck around say, past Survivor Series 97(he was scheduled to be on Team America), fans might've even turned on him which would either a)force WWF to push him down the card before outright releasing him, or b)have him revamp his character to keep him relevant(I even did a thread on it). So yeah, that's my pick. I could see them turning him heel if he stuck around. Basically Kurt Angle two years before we got Kurt Angle. Hell they even recycled his theme song for Angle.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 20, 2022 14:59:34 GMT -5
Not sure it counts because he was still over afterwards but Batista was never AS over as he was during that 2005 feud with HHH. You could feel the momentum immediately deflate quite a bit when he moved onto a feud with JBL. I think there's a really under-discussed "What if" for Batista's feud with Eddie Guerrero. That story was really interesting and felt like it had some legs to really do something for Batista long-term. It’s really a shame on multiple fronts. Because the story was good and building but really the one match they had wasn’t good at all. Don’t know if it was chemistry or Eddie just not being able to work anymore
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 21, 2022 4:27:00 GMT -5
I think there's a really under-discussed "What if" for Batista's feud with Eddie Guerrero. That story was really interesting and felt like it had some legs to really do something for Batista long-term. It’s really a shame on multiple fronts. Because the story was good and building but really the one match they had wasn’t good at all. Don’t know if it was chemistry or Eddie just not being able to work anymore There was something definitely up with Eddie towards the end, either mentally or physically. He even had a lacklustre match with Benoit at the second One Night Stand, and if there's any pair that should have had a great match with their eyes closed its them.
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Post by theironyuppie on Oct 21, 2022 6:06:05 GMT -5
Logan Paul got over as a babyface at Summerslam largely due to the fact he was facing Miz. We'll have to wait and see if Dominik Mysterios's huge heat continues when the story with Rey is over. Even if you were a random un-over midcarder if you faced John Cena around 2006 you would be massively over with Cena haters cheering you and Cena fans booing you. He would face the likes of Chris Masters/Daivari/Spirit Squad Kenny in nothing Raw matches that had the heat of a Wrestlemania main event due to how loud the crowds were Charlotte was hated in late 2018 but was cheered against Ronda at Survivor Series because fans has turned on Ronda due to her starting a feud with Becky. Becky got injured then endorsed Charlotte on the go-home show basically telling her to kick Ronda's ass. Not sure it counts because he was still over afterwards but Batista was never AS over as he was during that 2005 feud with HHH. You could feel the momentum immediately deflate quite a bit when he moved onto a feud with JBL. Interestingly, Charlotte was only hated against Becky. She was still getting strong face reactions working against women like Naomi and Asuka on Mixed Match Challenge.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Oct 21, 2022 10:15:59 GMT -5
What about Test with HHH? What about HHH? I've heard the argument many times, that a lot of his popularity was because of his opponents, not him necessarily. That's peak anti-HHH delusion. I could pick this apart for days, but his return pop at MSG in 2002 says it all
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Oct 21, 2022 11:44:51 GMT -5
Scorpio Sky in his TNT title feud against Sammy Guevara
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Post by Blade on Oct 21, 2022 12:49:24 GMT -5
Scorpio Sky in his TNT title feud against Sammy Guevara That was more "was getting over UNTIL that godawful feud", really. He got a good reaction in the Kazarian match until they turned him heel again
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 21, 2022 14:44:04 GMT -5
Scorpio Sky in his TNT title feud against Sammy Guevara He had some actual heat until they turned him heel again like idiots
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 21, 2022 16:23:18 GMT -5
It’s really a shame on multiple fronts. Because the story was good and building but really the one match they had wasn’t good at all. Don’t know if it was chemistry or Eddie just not being able to work anymore There was something definitely up with Eddie towards the end, either mentally or physically. He even had a lacklustre match with Benoit at the second One Night Stand, and if there's any pair that should have had a great match with their eyes closed its them. That's because Eddie had just turned heel and didn't want to do the whole "reunion show". And I thought the match between him and big Dave was good.
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 24, 2022 7:03:17 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say The Patriot during his WWF run. With Bret Hart and The Hart Foundation waging war on the US, it was only fitting that The Patriot would be the perfect foil to clash with. It was only for like, what a month? As unfortunate as it was that Del Wilkes got injured(and forced into early retirement), he pretty much left at the right time anyway. Take away the feud against The Anti-American Hitman and all you have is a patriotic do-gooding babyface, which would've been fine 10 years earlier, but with the Attitude Era about to usher in at full force, I can't see him fitting in with the times since that time period called for edgier, raunchier characters. I'll even go as far to say if The Patriot stuck around say, past Survivor Series 97(he was scheduled to be on Team America), fans might've even turned on him which would either a)force WWF to push him down the card before outright releasing him, or b)have him revamp his character to keep him relevant(I even did a thread on it). So yeah, that's my pick. I could see them turning him heel if he stuck around. Basically Kurt Angle two years before we got Kurt Angle. Hell they even recycled his theme song for Angle. I did a thread a few years ago where he becomes Vince's first charge against "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. Basically insert him in the same spot Dude Love was in. It make's sense with Vince's character too since he wanted a positive role model to represent the company, and The Patriot would fit that profile. In order to be a convincing heel though, he'd have to start being arrogant and cheat(like Angle was), but I don't know if he had the acting chops to pull that off. Has Del Wilkes ever played a heel before?
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