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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Aug 1, 2024 23:38:13 GMT -5
Logan Paul is, has been, and always will be a colossal asswagon and there's no good reason to defend him and that's all I'm gonna say about that.
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Post by Error on Aug 1, 2024 23:42:03 GMT -5
Anyway, we better have someone ask Triple H a question about this at the Summerslam press scrum. For his sake, Triple H better be prepared for that one. Otherwise, we might end up getting a entire thread just based off of that response. In just want him to get upset and walk out while going "Why can't it be 'Great show Paul', 'That's a nice tie, Hunter', 'You did a killer job with catering tonight Mr. Levesque'. But nooooo I sit down and first thing I hear before my butt hits the chair is 'Hey, (this wrestler) is a f***ing idiot and did something f***ing stupid. What are you going to do about it?' God no wonder we ran off so many GMs, Presidents, CEO, VPs, Co-Owners, and Authority. *Starts whistling King of Kings in a sad tone*"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 1, 2024 23:42:29 GMT -5
But I am criticizing Logan Paul for making an ignorant, ill-informed, statement for no other reason than to use his celebrity to further sow the seeds of bigotry and hate that currently pervade the USA in the name of making a hackneyed political statement that doesn’t even need to be made. And that's just it. Paul could make his statement, as colossally ignorant as it was, without saying "This is the purest form of evil unfolding right before your eyes." His intention was to spread further hatred to a criminally maligned group of people who just want to live their lives. Plus, the guy who went to an infamous suicide location, filmed himself laughing at the body of a suicide victim, and posted it on his YouTube channel for the entertainment of his audience that consists mostly of children and young teenagers really, really, really, really has no moral standing to call anything "the purest form of evil."
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Post by khali on Aug 1, 2024 23:47:17 GMT -5
The thing to me isn’t Logan Paul said this. It’s no surprise he was a bad person on this issue because he’s a bad person in a million different ways. It’s that so many other people feel the same way and put their transphobia on full display.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 1, 2024 23:51:27 GMT -5
One thing I will say, it does kind of feel like it is at a fever pitch where it'll at least have to be acknowledged. This is wrestling and the internet so things don't blow up as they may seem sometimes but I have a real hard time imagining Logan going out there this weekend acting like normal and usual. It would be f***ing bizarre even for the most bizarre of sports.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 1, 2024 23:58:08 GMT -5
The thing to me isn’t Logan Paul said this. It’s no surprise he was a bad person on this issue because he’s a bad person in a million different ways. It’s that so many other people feel the same way and put their transphobia on full display. Yeah, it’s a sad state of affairs that just kind of being a bigot is an acceptable, mainstream “political belief” right now.
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Post by J is Justice on Aug 1, 2024 23:59:04 GMT -5
We had the same conversation in off topic just a few days ago when a guy was getting mad at being allowed to have BLM stuff in signatures/names/etc. and also saying it's bullshit that they couldn't have pro choice stuff for "real women" instead of anyone being allowed to show support for trans people... even if there's literally millions of AFAB people who are transitioning to men. They said the same thing that this place has changed and saying "what happened to this place?" My question is, I remember when this place was pretty outright sexist and strange sometimes with the threads but was there outright making fun of trans people, gay people, black people, etc. back then? Did this place have a 180 from what they're saying was seemingly a paradise for them? I know it wasn't at all like it is now but I have a hard time believing it was some haven for stuff like that. I feel like it's always been pretty welcoming forum for gay people and people of different races. Like, I remember this being the first forum where calling something 'gay' was frowned upon, and it actually confused me at the time. This place actually taught me to stop using it as an insult, lol. The big issue with this place was the creepy diva threads, I think. Maybe other people will disagree. This is just coming from a straight white guy who sometimes identifies as a Latina.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 2, 2024 0:02:30 GMT -5
Can we just go back to clowning on Logan Paul and keep the arguing to the DMs please? I think Paul's pretty overrated as a talent, honestly. Like everyone else I was impressed with how quickly he picked things up, but if he were to ever become a full timer I think he'd get exposed the way Ronda was. He has some level of talent, but honestly, a lot of what he does, he can only do because he wrestles so infrequently, and generally against people who can fill in the blanks for him. He's basically Shane but with a better physique.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 2, 2024 0:02:45 GMT -5
We had the same conversation in off topic just a few days ago when a guy was getting mad at being allowed to have BLM stuff in signatures/names/etc. and also saying it's bullshit that they couldn't have pro choice stuff for "real women" instead of anyone being allowed to show support for trans people... even if there's literally millions of AFAB people who are transitioning to men. They said the same thing that this place has changed and saying "what happened to this place?" My question is, I remember when this place was pretty outright sexist and strange sometimes with the threads but was there outright making fun of trans people, gay people, black people, etc. back then? Did this place have a 180 from what they're saying was seemingly a paradise for them? I know it wasn't at all like it is now but I have a hard time believing it was some haven for stuff like that. I feel like it's always been pretty welcoming forum for gay people and people of different races. Like, I remember this being the first forum where calling something 'gay' was frowned upon, and it actually confused me at the time. This place actually taught me to stop using it as an insult, lol. The big issue with this place was the creepy diva threads, I think. Maybe other people will disagree. This is just coming from a straight white guy who sometimes identifies as a Latina. you are my favorite latina besides doo doo who is gritizen's favorite latina who is ez's favorite latina who is hypnosis favorite latina who is chiral's favorite german! yeah i just don't remember the internet being like that. i remember it being way more out there and offensive but this place in particular, not really. like from day one it was more of a "not cool" where now it is longer messages explaining why it isn't cool because people genuinely want each other to stop. even back then unless you were really unlucky, stuff that we get upset about now is stuff that would've at least been called out, maybe not to the same degree of importance because we are living in a time where people are increasingly getting hurt and dying because of these views. it's interesting, i'll say that
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Post by lockedontarget on Aug 2, 2024 0:05:38 GMT -5
You can really tell who has based their entire understanding of trans people in sports from that one episode of South Park where Macho Man beats up women
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 2, 2024 0:06:57 GMT -5
Honestly I wouldn’t be shocked at all if they just have Paul win.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Aug 2, 2024 0:08:23 GMT -5
The thing to me isn’t Logan Paul said this. It’s no surprise he was a bad person on this issue because he’s a bad person in a million different ways. It’s that so many other people feel the same way and put their transphobia on full display. Yeah, it’s a sad state of affairs that just kind of being a bigot is an acceptable, mainstream “political belief” right now. As terrible as it is, it's always been a thing. It's just amplified now due to social media & 3 decades of a concerted effort to center people's fear of the "other" front-and-center in American politics starting with the backlash to Don't Ask, Don't Tell being PROGRESS at the time. Also, Logan Paul falling for transphobic disinformation on twitter that was started by a Russian boxing official who is so comically corrupt by the incredibly low standards of being a Russian boxing official that this might be the last Olympics where boxing is a thing is something a shitty LLM would generate if you asked it to give you the most 2024 story possible. Lastly, and I know 95% of y'all were just doing it as a response, but we gotta stop falling for the "biological male/female" framing. It's not an accurate in any real way from a biological standpoint, erases intersex & other people with disorders of sex development, and cedes the entire concept of gender to the bigots' definition which is the whole goal of why this is being used as a wedge issue in 2024.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Aug 2, 2024 0:10:38 GMT -5
Honestly I wouldn’t be shocked at all if they just have Paul win. Yeah...as much as the company loves to play the corporate diversity card (and has made an effort to center Black wrestlers since the new regime came in) y'all got to remember who's running the place and who they publicly support.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 2, 2024 0:11:07 GMT -5
The thing to me isn’t Logan Paul said this. It’s no surprise he was a bad person on this issue because he’s a bad person in a million different ways. It’s that so many other people feel the same way and put their transphobia on full display. Yeah, it’s a sad state of affairs that just kind of being a bigot is an acceptable, mainstream “political belief” right now. There seems to be an obsession with both-sidesing everything in the media and on social media that does way more harm than good. Not every opinion is valid when human rights is the issue.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 2, 2024 0:13:36 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s a sad state of affairs that just kind of being a bigot is an acceptable, mainstream “political belief” right now. There seems to be an obsession with both-sidesing everything in the media and on social media that does way more harm than good. Not every opinion is valid when human rights is the issue. to me at least it feels like a concerted effort to slowly creep in hate filled ideas until they become moderately accepted, so the goalposts keep moving like what he said originally was awful but coming back from something you said that's gonna put a target on someone and saying "oopsie"? you a f***ing psychopath or something? come on
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 2, 2024 0:14:38 GMT -5
I think Paul's pretty overrated as a talent, honestly. Like everyone else I was impressed with how quickly he picked things up, but if he were to ever become a full timer I think he'd get exposed the way Ronda was. He has some level of talent, but honestly, a lot of what he does, he can only do because he wrestles so infrequently, and generally against people who can fill in the blanks for him. He's basically Shane but with a better physique. He gets heat, I'll give him that, but I don't remember the last time he had a promo that I thought was good or a match that was better than "fine." I'd say he's pretty middle of the pack. Better than guys like Austin Theory, but I can think of a bunch of others I'd rather have as US Champ.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 2, 2024 0:15:21 GMT -5
There seems to be an obsession with both-sidesing everything in the media and on social media that does way more harm than good. Not every opinion is valid when human rights is the issue. to me at least it feels like a concerted effort to slowly creep in hate filled ideas until they become moderately accepted, so the goalposts keep moving like what he said originally was awful but coming back from something you said that's gonna put a target on someone and saying "oopsie"? you a f***ing psychopath or something? come on Hey, I assure you not all of us psychopaths are bad.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 2, 2024 0:16:46 GMT -5
to me at least it feels like a concerted effort to slowly creep in hate filled ideas until they become moderately accepted, so the goalposts keep moving like what he said originally was awful but coming back from something you said that's gonna put a target on someone and saying "oopsie"? you a f***ing psychopath or something? come on Hey, I assure you not all of us psychopaths are bad. some of us like you and me smoke weed and end up passing out or smoke weed and yap about street fighter alpha 3. some of them smoke crack and hold the united states title.
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 2, 2024 0:18:19 GMT -5
There seems to be an obsession with both-sidesing everything in the media and on social media that does way more harm than good. Not every opinion is valid when human rights is the issue. to me at least it feels like a concerted effort to slowly creep in hate filled ideas until they become moderately accepted, so the goalposts keep moving like what he said originally was awful but coming back from something you said that's gonna put a target on someone and saying "oopsie"? you a f***ing psychopath or something? come on Thats the thing that's really pissing me off. This is a woman who comes from a country where she could be jailed or even killed if she was what these people are claiming her to be, and his response to getting called out on that is "Oopsie"? That is just, like, who the f*** raised you?
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 2, 2024 0:19:12 GMT -5
Hey, I assure you not all of us psychopaths are bad. some of us like you and me smoke weed and end up passing out or smoke weed and yap about street fighter alpha 3. some of them smoke crack and hold the united states title. Replace that with MK or Tekken and I would be amongst my own people.
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