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Post by sassafrastaz on Aug 6, 2024 9:22:06 GMT -5
Now WWE brought back Odyssey Jones so I don't think they give a molecule of a shit about even trying to seem even a teensy tiny little bit inclusive of trans folks At this rate, they might as well bring back Quincy Elliott.
Then again, their problems apparently extended to being a pain in the ass backstage. Not to mention that they suuuuucked in the ring.
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Post by welshpenguin on Aug 6, 2024 21:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2024 21:53:47 GMT -5
All I'll say is I've had some of the most depressing exchanges and interactions on FAN I think I've ever had over this topic with guys like Logan, Odyssey, and guys who have defended Logan especially.
It's really starting to show me how much people hate me on this Board and idk... it's not great for a place I've called home for a decade when I feel like these people shouldn't be supported and coddled for the shit they've said or done on this matter, and I still get f***ing attacked for being an AEW fan like it has f*** all to do with this very serious conversation, it's maddening man, like legitimately, especially when THIS is the topic people decide to blow up at me on, of all things, THIS?
I just needed to vent for a minute in a thread I know I won't be swiped at. This is genuinely upsetting to me, and I do apologize if I've made anyone uncomfortable or made the board atmosphere worse in the past few days in speaking out about this stuff in other threads.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 6, 2024 23:30:53 GMT -5
All I'll say is I've had some of the most depressing exchanges and interactions on FAN I think I've ever had over this topic with guys like Logan, Odyssey, and guys who have defended Logan especially. It's really starting to show me how much people hate me on this Board and idk... it's not great for a place I've called home for a decade when I feel like these people shouldn't be supported and coddled for the shit they've said or done on this matter, and I still get f***ing attacked for being an AEW fan like it has f*** all to do with this very serious conversation, it's maddening man, like legitimately, especially when THIS is the topic people decide to blow up at me on, of all things, THIS? I just needed to vent for a minute in a thread I know I won't be swiped at. This is genuinely upsetting to me, and I do apologize if I've made anyone uncomfortable or made the board atmosphere worse in the past few days in speaking out about this stuff in other threads. A lot of people on this board feel extremely passionately about causes they're not allowed to advocate for because they'll cross over into forbidden topics. I think the vast majority of posters on this forum stand behind you and your cause, it's just that, they don't want to to be reminded of every shitty thing every person did at every turn. At a certain point it arrives at, "We get it, CM Punk is a piece of shit, you hate him". Can we please discuss the angle, just as it exists as angle, without personal opinions? This is meant to be a refuge from the real world, not a crushing reminder everything and everyone sucks.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2024 23:46:03 GMT -5
All I'll say is I've had some of the most depressing exchanges and interactions on FAN I think I've ever had over this topic with guys like Logan, Odyssey, and guys who have defended Logan especially. It's really starting to show me how much people hate me on this Board and idk... it's not great for a place I've called home for a decade when I feel like these people shouldn't be supported and coddled for the shit they've said or done on this matter, and I still get f***ing attacked for being an AEW fan like it has f*** all to do with this very serious conversation, it's maddening man, like legitimately, especially when THIS is the topic people decide to blow up at me on, of all things, THIS? I just needed to vent for a minute in a thread I know I won't be swiped at. This is genuinely upsetting to me, and I do apologize if I've made anyone uncomfortable or made the board atmosphere worse in the past few days in speaking out about this stuff in other threads. A lot of people on this board feel extremely passionately about causes they're not allowed to advocate for because they'll cross over into forbidden topics. I think the vast majority of posters on this forum stand behind you and your cause, it's just that, they don't want to to be reminded of every shitty thing every person did at every turn. At a certain point it arrives at, "We get it, CM Punk is a piece of shit, you hate him". Can we please discuss the angle, just as it exists as angle, without personal opinions? This is meant to be a refuge from the real world, not a crushing reminder everything and everyone sucks. This has zero to do with Punk though, and I really don't think it's a fair comparison when this stuff is THREE DAYS OLD and in Odyssey's case he returned Monday Like Punk's stuff might be viewed as old hat at this point, sure, whatever, I can get people being tired of it but it has no direct correlation with this situation and how bad it's gotten, this is an issue that is a fresh wound that WWE sees fit to let go, not handle, and have the worst PR imaginable about it Idk what you want but when you say shit like "This place is a refuge from the real world, not a crushing reminder everything and everyone sucks" imagine the trans users who are on this board or are fans of the product who in the last few days have had WWE basically tell them to f*** off by condoning and praising Logan Paul after his actions. In some instances like in Odyssey's case I said I hated WWE for bringing him in, I didn't even make it about the core topic, it was made for me and then I was once again condemned for it and basically played off because "I like other company more", which, I gotta be frank, is disgusting. And this isn't a "forbidden topic" unless Mods say so and they have in fact not said so. But other people also can't be so tense as to blow up if people aren't really jazzed about seeing Logan Paul or Odyssey Jones right now for very valid and fresh reasons, that isn't helping ANY of this either.
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Post by neilc on Aug 6, 2024 23:46:41 GMT -5
Now WWE brought back Odyssey Jones so I don't think they give a molecule of a shit about even trying to seem even a teensy tiny little bit inclusive of trans folks I'm unfamiliar with what Odyssey Jones did (hard to believe I was once a sportwriter). He's also a transphobe?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2024 23:47:43 GMT -5
Now WWE brought back Odyssey Jones so I don't think they give a molecule of a shit about even trying to seem even a teensy tiny little bit inclusive of trans folks I'm unfamiliar with what Odyssey Jones did (hard to believe I was once a sportwriter). He's also a transphobe? He shared a very transphobic news article with laughing emoji's and then deleted it soon after and went private on socials, so... yeah, wasn't great, still isn't.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 6, 2024 23:49:48 GMT -5
There are real people suffering and living in fear and dying every single day because of the attitudes of people like Logan Paul. Forgive some of us if we can't overlook that because he can do a nice flip.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2024 23:51:43 GMT -5
There are real people suffering and living in fear and dying every single day because of the attitudes of people like Logan Paul. Forgive some of us if we can't overlook that because he can do a nice flip. Odyssey Jones does cool hoss spots so we should just forget about the social media post because "not many people saw it anyway" and if it's brought up you're the problem not the guy who of his own free will posted the transphobic social media post to his Instagram feed when he could have very easily y'know... not done that, and been a normal human being.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 6, 2024 23:57:37 GMT -5
A lot of people on this board feel extremely passionately about causes they're not allowed to advocate for because they'll cross over into forbidden topics. I think the vast majority of posters on this forum stand behind you and your cause, it's just that, they don't want to to be reminded of every shitty thing every person did at every turn. At a certain point it arrives at, "We get it, CM Punk is a piece of shit, you hate him". Can we please discuss the angle, just as it exists as angle, without personal opinions? This is meant to be a refuge from the real world, not a crushing reminder everything and everyone sucks. This has zero to do with Punk though, and I really don't think it's a fair comparison when this stuff is THREE DAYS OLD and in Odyssey's case he returned Monday Like Punk's stuff might be viewed as old hat at this point, sure, whatever, I can get people being tired of it but it has no direct correlation with this situation and how bad it's gotten, this is an issue that is a fresh wound that WWE sees fit to let go, not handle, and have the worst PR imaginable about it Idk what you want but when you say shit like "This place is a refuge from the real world, not a crushing reminder everything and everyone sucks" imagine the trans users who are on this board or are fans of the product who in the last few days have had WWE basically tell them to f*** off by condoning and praising Logan Paul after his actions. In some instances like in Odyssey's case I said I hated WWE for bringing him in, I didn't even make it about the core topic, it was made for me and then I was once again condemned for it and basically played off because "I like other company more", which, I gotta be frank, is disgusting. And this isn't a "forbidden topic" unless Mods say so and they have in fact not said so. But other people also can't be so tense as to blow up if people aren't really jazzed about seeing Logan Paul or Odyssey Jones right now for very valid and fresh reasons, that isn't helping ANY of this either. I don't know that are you trans or not, and this is important and I want you to understand this very clearly what I mean when I say it, I don't care. Your value is not how you personally identify, it's your ideas and thoughts and opinions, that's what I want to hear. Picking the Punk stuff out was just a broad example because I've noticed you often raging about Punk. We're from all over the world here, with tons of different opinions on tons of different topics. I can only cast my little vote next year in Canada when the election comes up by voting for the candidate in my riding, because Commonwealth elections are different, who bests represents members of the lgbtqia2s+ community, which I absolutely f***ing will. I understand this super important to you, I respect that, we all respect that some cause is important, even if we disagree, but Logan Paul saying a super f***ed thing isn't our whole lives, you have to understand that part.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 7, 2024 0:06:43 GMT -5
This has zero to do with Punk though, and I really don't think it's a fair comparison when this stuff is THREE DAYS OLD and in Odyssey's case he returned Monday Like Punk's stuff might be viewed as old hat at this point, sure, whatever, I can get people being tired of it but it has no direct correlation with this situation and how bad it's gotten, this is an issue that is a fresh wound that WWE sees fit to let go, not handle, and have the worst PR imaginable about it Idk what you want but when you say shit like "This place is a refuge from the real world, not a crushing reminder everything and everyone sucks" imagine the trans users who are on this board or are fans of the product who in the last few days have had WWE basically tell them to f*** off by condoning and praising Logan Paul after his actions. In some instances like in Odyssey's case I said I hated WWE for bringing him in, I didn't even make it about the core topic, it was made for me and then I was once again condemned for it and basically played off because "I like other company more", which, I gotta be frank, is disgusting. And this isn't a "forbidden topic" unless Mods say so and they have in fact not said so. But other people also can't be so tense as to blow up if people aren't really jazzed about seeing Logan Paul or Odyssey Jones right now for very valid and fresh reasons, that isn't helping ANY of this either. I don't know that are you trans or not, and this is important and I want you to understand this very clearly what I mean when I say it, I don't care. Your value is not how you personally identify, it's your ideas and thoughts and opinions, that's what I want to hear. Picking the Punk stuff out was just a broad example because I've noticed you often raging about Punk. We're from all over the world here, with tons of different opinions on tons of different topics. I can only cast my little vote next year in Canada when the election comes up by voting for the candidate in my riding, because Commonwealth elections are different, who bests represents members of the lgbtqia2s+ community, which I absolutely f***ing will. I understand this super important to you, I respect that, we all respect that some cause is important, even if we disagree, but Logan Paul saying a super f***ed thing isn't our whole lives, you have to understand that part. I'm not trans, I have trans friends, and I respect the LGBTQ and Trans people on this Proboard. Or I wouldn't have said anything let alone put this target on my back to be ridiculed and talked down to like I have from several people here since. I also never said it's your whole lives, it's also not my whole life, none of this is, but it's a fresh topic and a sensitive one for many people here and me commenting on it as I have within the first few days of it, which HHH made worse by the way since the initial Logan Paul bullshit. It doesn't mean I will keep it up at a feverish pace forever, but with it being a current event, and something WWE has made worse with re-introducing another guy with a transphobic connection, no shit people are talking about it right now, including myself, they haven't given us any reason to STOP talking about it, and it SUCKS. It's just genuinely disappointing and borderline disturbing, that me saying "F*** transphobes and HHH/WWE letting them stick around" a bit too much, is the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to some users on this board with me. I don't know if that tells me all I need to know, but I gotta tell you, it's f***ing depressing, because I thought we were as a whole, better then that, but this has been eye opening in the wrong ways for me personally with how this topic has attempted to be twisted to be something it was never supposed to be in the first place, let alone personal towards me and my personal tastes. That feels REALLY awesome to have levied at you in multiple threads by the way, yet people wanna act like what I've posted is worse then what they've said to me in the last few days, just saying. I don't really give a f*** if you hate me or find me annoying, it's the fact this is the topic people have decided to try and rake me over the coals over and call me some hypocrite piece of shit, that really sucks, not because of how it'd effect me, but how it feels like it completely tries to undercut and handwave all of this away, doing exactly what WWE wants people to do, try and just let it die down, move on, and not care, and frankly, that sucks more then anything else you're trying to pose to me. It's so easy to just ignore, block, etc, but instead, people have attacked and made me feel like shit for condemning horrible optics and horrible behavior from horrible people. I told multiple people to, they ignored me, and just saw fit to keep making me feel like shit and poke me for my opinions and my stances. It's not a fun thing to experience, but given the context? No, I don't regret it at all, and I don't care if they got upset at me for it, this is the kind of topic where I'll take it on the chin for others if I have to. Inevitably, this will die down, but I really don't get how people don't understand this shit happened this weekend and it's Tuesday, it's gonna be tense, and it's gonna take time, and people viciously swiping back at it? That's only made it worse, worse then it ever would've been or they could have ever imagined I could make it in their heads, frankly. I hope the tension dies down, because I'll tell you, this really does suck.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 7, 2024 0:18:04 GMT -5
I don't know that are you trans or not, and this is important and I want you to understand this very clearly what I mean when I say it, I don't care. Your value is not how you personally identify, it's your ideas and thoughts and opinions, that's what I want to hear. Picking the Punk stuff out was just a broad example because I've noticed you often raging about Punk. We're from all over the world here, with tons of different opinions on tons of different topics. I can only cast my little vote next year in Canada when the election comes up by voting for the candidate in my riding, because Commonwealth elections are different, who bests represents members of the lgbtqia2s+ community, which I absolutely f***ing will. I understand this super important to you, I respect that, we all respect that some cause is important, even if we disagree, but Logan Paul saying a super f***ed thing isn't our whole lives, you have to understand that part. I'm not trans, I have trans friends, and I respect the LGBTQ and Trans people on this Proboard. Or I wouldn't have said anything let alone put this target on my back to be ridiculed and talked down to like I have from several people here since. I also never said it's your whole lives, it's also not my whole life, none of this is, but it's a fresh topic and a sensitive one for many people here and me commenting on it as I have within the first few days of it, which HHH made worse by the way since the initial Logan Paul bullshit. It doesn't mean I will keep it up at a feverish pace forever, but with it being a current event, and something WWE has made worse with re-introducing another guy with a transphobic connection, no shit people are talking about it right now, including myself, they haven't given us any reason to STOP talking about it, and it SUCKS. It's just genuinely disappointing and borderline disturbing, that me saying "F*** transphobes and HHH/WWE letting them stick around" a bit too much, is the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to some users on this board with me. I don't know if that tells me all I need to know, but I gotta tell you, it's f***ing depressing, because I thought we were as a whole, better then that, but this has been eye opening in the wrong ways for me personally with how this topic has attempted to be twisted to be something it was never supposed to be in the first place, let alone personal towards me and my personal tastes. That feels REALLY awesome to have levied at you in multiple threads by the way, yet people wanna act like what I've posted is worse then what they've said to me in the last few days, just saying. I don't really give a f*** if you hate me or find me annoying, it's the fact this is the topic people have decided to try and rake me over the coals over and call me some hypocrite piece of shit, that really sucks, not because of how it'd effect me, but how it feels like it completely tries to undercut and handwave all of this away, doing exactly what WWE wants people to do, try and just let it die down, move on, and not care, and frankly, that sucks more then anything else you're trying to pose to me. I understand. It's not your advocacy people are finding objectionable, it's inserting into things we can't do much about. Logan Paul sucks. What do you want us to do? After the statement "Logan Paul sucks", we can vote and then? Logan Paul still had a match at with SummerSlam with LA Knight people were going to discuss. You can't make everyone who disagrees with you disappear or stop acknowledging them.
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Post by sassafrastaz on Aug 7, 2024 0:21:42 GMT -5
All I'll say is I've had some of the most depressing exchanges and interactions on FAN I think I've ever had over this topic with guys like Logan, Odyssey, and guys who have defended Logan especially. It's really starting to show me how much people hate me on this Board and idk... it's not great for a place I've called home for a decade when I feel like these people shouldn't be supported and coddled for the shit they've said or done on this matter, and I still get f***ing attacked for being an AEW fan like it has f*** all to do with this very serious conversation, it's maddening man, like legitimately, especially when THIS is the topic people decide to blow up at me on, of all things, THIS? I just needed to vent for a minute in a thread I know I won't be swiped at. This is genuinely upsetting to me, and I do apologize if I've made anyone uncomfortable or made the board atmosphere worse in the past few days in speaking out about this stuff in other threads. A lot of people on this board feel extremely passionately about causes they're not allowed to advocate for because they'll cross over into forbidden topics. I think the vast majority of posters on this forum stand behind you and your cause, it's just that, they don't want to to be reminded of every shitty thing every person did at every turn. At a certain point it arrives at, "We get it, CM Punk is a piece of shit, you hate him". Can we please discuss the angle, just as it exists as angle, without personal opinions? This is meant to be a refuge from the real world, not a crushing reminder everything and everyone sucks. On one hand, I get it. CM Punk being a hypocritical ass who's badly exposed himself over the past few years doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The long-ranging implications of what he does and doesn't do is only going to affect a small group of people, and most - if not all of them - are in wrestling. That's why I generally try to stay away from commenting on posts regarding him unless he says/does something that deserves mocking. As for his wrestling and angles, I could not possibly care less. On the other hand... When you have two fairly prominent people (Pat McAfee and Logan Paul, the latter of whom was one of WWE's champions until Saturday) who went out of their way to spread misinformation in the form of transphobic remarks for someone who isn't transgender, that's bad! Let me repeat that to make sure we're clear here. The person in question is NOT transgender! That's not something that affects one or two people. There's a decent segment of the population (even outside the transgender community) who get accused of being men when they're not. This is dangerous shit! Sorry if someone doesn't want to hear about it, but too bad! This affects real people! People have gotten hurt or even died because of stuff like this. It's no joke! That's why some here are up in arms about this. Not to mention that any apology (if any came) from the two above parties came off half-baked, insincere, and, "Okay, they weren't trans, but being trans is still evil. AM I RIGHT FELLAS?!" You get how that alienates fans, right? Maybe WWE doesn't care, because they sure didn't under the old regime, so why change? Maybe they think they can get away with it because sadly, the U.S. these days isn't necessarily all that friendly to the LGBTQ+ community (particularly transgender people) and...I think I'll stop there, because I don't want to get banned or anything. Especially being a fairly new member of this forum. I could get into how the whole Britt/MJF thing in AEW was a multi-day topic over a minor issue that was dealt with before the info came out about it, while the above with Logan and Pat was - at best - mentioned in passing...but that's another topic altogether. I'm not even LGBTQ+ myself, but I'm sick and tired of seeing them used as a scapegoat for damn near every problem in the world and being put in danger because of it. This isn't a wrestling angle...this is real life shit!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 7, 2024 0:26:46 GMT -5
I'm not trans, I have trans friends, and I respect the LGBTQ and Trans people on this Proboard. Or I wouldn't have said anything let alone put this target on my back to be ridiculed and talked down to like I have from several people here since. I also never said it's your whole lives, it's also not my whole life, none of this is, but it's a fresh topic and a sensitive one for many people here and me commenting on it as I have within the first few days of it, which HHH made worse by the way since the initial Logan Paul bullshit. It doesn't mean I will keep it up at a feverish pace forever, but with it being a current event, and something WWE has made worse with re-introducing another guy with a transphobic connection, no shit people are talking about it right now, including myself, they haven't given us any reason to STOP talking about it, and it SUCKS. It's just genuinely disappointing and borderline disturbing, that me saying "F*** transphobes and HHH/WWE letting them stick around" a bit too much, is the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to some users on this board with me. I don't know if that tells me all I need to know, but I gotta tell you, it's f***ing depressing, because I thought we were as a whole, better then that, but this has been eye opening in the wrong ways for me personally with how this topic has attempted to be twisted to be something it was never supposed to be in the first place, let alone personal towards me and my personal tastes. That feels REALLY awesome to have levied at you in multiple threads by the way, yet people wanna act like what I've posted is worse then what they've said to me in the last few days, just saying. I don't really give a f*** if you hate me or find me annoying, it's the fact this is the topic people have decided to try and rake me over the coals over and call me some hypocrite piece of shit, that really sucks, not because of how it'd effect me, but how it feels like it completely tries to undercut and handwave all of this away, doing exactly what WWE wants people to do, try and just let it die down, move on, and not care, and frankly, that sucks more then anything else you're trying to pose to me. I understand. It's not your advocacy people are finding objectionable, it's inserting into things we can't do much about. Logan Paul sucks. What do you want us to do? After the statement "Logan Paul sucks", we can vote and then? Logan Paul still had a match at with SummerSlam with LA Knight people were going to discuss. You can't make everyone who disagrees with you disappear or stop acknowledging them. Here's where I have commented on these situations: One when it happened in here, and have continued to discuss it in here Two when LA Knight won the belt in the LA Knight thread and I said I hoped Logan was done with the company, did not specify why but you could glean why, wasn't the only one saying it. Three when HHH praised Logan and set me off so I commented about it in the Summerslam thread and got yelled at for it even though it was happening in real time at the scum so no shit it was commented on Four was the RAW Thread, I apologized because that was a very bad day for me. Five was when in the Heel Turns thread I said "WWE are heels with me for bringing Odyssey Jones back" with no further elaboration where it would've just ended there, a convo with a mod ensued and suddenly everyone was like "OH GREAT, YOU'RE MAKING IT ABOUT TRANSPHOBIA AGAIN" when a mod asked a f***ing question and I answered, and then tried to get it back to the topic at hand with other responses, and other users saw fit to dig and dig at me anyway and try and extend it THEMSELVES until it was locked with personal and petty shots at me personally And Six was the actual Odyssey thread proper I was pointed to by a Mod where users also said they had no idea that it even happened and seemed thankful for the information, go figure. I've kept most of the venting about this to this thread, the times I haven't is when the topic has been fresh and the ire at directed threads outside of one time where I apologized where it wasn't appropriately timed at all. However, I'm not exactly going into the Liv Morgan Support Station or an NXT thread and going "F*** LOGAN PAUL AND F*** TRANSPHOBIA" randomly like I have a f***ing megaphone, but some people certainly like to think I am. I've kept it contained to the exact two people that it's a problem with, and will continue to, with HHH also catching hell for yknow, condoning/booking this. As for "You can't make everyone who disagrees with you disappear" I clearly haven't, I've simply told them how to not see my posts if it bothers them so much, but they've ignored me and seem to rather want to make me feel like shit, that's their choice, as has been my choice to comment on these incidents when I've felt proper. I'm not going to flood the board with it, I've commented on WWE and WWE topics very normally outside of them, even found things enjoyable like Wyatt Sicks, but the three day old topic still being a hot button topic that WWE made worse with their actions still being discussed and people acting like I've been yapping about it for months, is really f***ing uncomfortable, especially when even in this thread, the thread where people have basically told me to go to talk about it because you don't want to hear me say it anywhere else, I'm still getting singled out about it. It's exhausting, to say the least.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 7, 2024 0:32:20 GMT -5
A lot of people on this board feel extremely passionately about causes they're not allowed to advocate for because they'll cross over into forbidden topics. I think the vast majority of posters on this forum stand behind you and your cause, it's just that, they don't want to to be reminded of every shitty thing every person did at every turn. At a certain point it arrives at, "We get it, CM Punk is a piece of shit, you hate him". Can we please discuss the angle, just as it exists as angle, without personal opinions? This is meant to be a refuge from the real world, not a crushing reminder everything and everyone sucks. On one hand, I get it. CM Punk being a hypocritical ass who's badly exposed himself over the past few years doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The long-ranging implications of what he does and doesn't do is only going to affect a small group of people, and most - if not all of them - are in wrestling. That's why I generally try to stay away from commenting on posts regarding him unless he says/does something that deserves mocking. As for his wrestling and angles, I could not possibly care less. On the other hand... When you have two fairly prominent people (Pat McAfee and Logan Paul, the latter of whom was one of WWE's champions until Saturday) who went out of their way to spread misinformation in the form of transphobic remarks for someone who isn't transgender, that's bad! Let me repeat that to make sure we're clear here. The person in question is NOT transgender! That's not something that affects one or two people. There's a decent segment of the population (even outside the transgender community) who get accused of being men when they're not. This is dangerous shit! Sorry if someone doesn't want to hear about it, but too bad! This affects real people! People have gotten hurt or even died because of stuff like this. It's no joke! That's why some here are up in arms about this. Not to mention that any apology (if any came) from the two above parties came off half-baked, insincere, and, "Okay, they weren't trans, but being trans is still evil. AM I RIGHT FELLAS?!" You get how that alienates fans, right? Maybe WWE doesn't care, because they sure didn't under the old regime, so why change? Maybe they think they can get away with it because sadly, the U.S. these days isn't necessarily all that friendly to the LGBTQ+ community (particularly transgender people) and...I think I'll stop there, because I don't want to get banned or anything. Especially being a fairly new member of this forum. I could get into how the whole Britt/MJF thing in AEW was a multi-day topic over a minor issue that was dealt with before the info came out about it, while the above with Logan and Pat was - at best - mentioned in passing...but that's another topic altogether. I'm not even LGBTQ+ myself, but I'm sick and tired of seeing them used as a scapegoat for damn near every problem in the world and being put in danger because of it. This isn't a wrestling angle...this is real life shit! You're correct, it's f***ing appalling. There's only so much we can do and somewhere between little and zero is going to happen on the FAN Forums. Sometimes you gotta take baby steps, even if you shouldn't. I'm not saying you should tolerate intolerance, but sometimes there's no there there.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 7, 2024 0:40:28 GMT -5
You're correct, it's f***ing appalling. There's only so much we can do and somewhere between little and zero is going to happen on the FAN Forums. Sometimes you gotta take baby steps, even if you shouldn't. I'm not saying you should tolerate intolerance, but sometimes there's no there there. Listen if anyone wants to enjoy Logan and Odyssey, be my guest, it's whatever But in the same vein people can positively comment about them, people can also negatively comment on them, as much as they'd like, as it's their opinion and stance on the matter If you take the entire context as to why out of it, that's how this wrestling forum has worked since it started, and how this has all worked from the jump, and I don't see that ever changing for anything. Exactly. We're on the same page. The disconnect is when someone goes "what a moonsault!" and you go off on what a pile of shit he is and feel attacked if an insufficient number of people of agree with he's a bigger pile of shit than his moonsault was impressive, that's what I am trying to say to you.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 7, 2024 0:48:46 GMT -5
Listen if anyone wants to enjoy Logan and Odyssey, be my guest, it's whatever But in the same vein people can positively comment about them, people can also negatively comment on them, as much as they'd like, as it's their opinion and stance on the matter If you take the entire context as to why out of it, that's how this wrestling forum has worked since it started, and how this has all worked from the jump, and I don't see that ever changing for anything. Exactly. We're on the same page. The disconnect is when someone goes "what a moonsault!" and you go off on what a pile of shit he is and feel attacked if an insufficient number of people of agree with he's a bigger pile of shit than his moonsault was impressive, that's what I am trying to say to you. Here's the awesome fun fact about that though, I have never done that and won't do that And that is where the disconnect comes for me, because while I will be negative on someone I'm not going to comment to someone like "No you're supposed to f***ing HATE THEM like ME" and some users seem to convinced I do this like I'm some kind psychopath lmfao I've been in enough live threads where people can tell you I discuss wrestlers, I am negative, I am positive, but if people are enjoying a Logan Paul match never once have I done what you're saying I've done, I didn't do that for Punk's Summerslam match either. I keep my in general hate or disdain for someone to myself and my own posts OR the threads where they are the main topic.
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Post by sassafrastaz on Aug 7, 2024 0:49:42 GMT -5
Listen if anyone wants to enjoy Logan and Odyssey, be my guest, it's whatever But in the same vein people can positively comment about them, people can also negatively comment on them, as much as they'd like, as it's their opinion and stance on the matter If you take the entire context as to why out of it, that's how this wrestling forum has worked since it started, and how this has all worked from the jump, and I don't see that ever changing for anything. Exactly. We're on the same page. The disconnect is when someone goes "what a moonsault!" and you go off on what a pile of shit he is and feel attacked if an insufficient number of people of agree with he's a bigger pile of shit than his moonsault was impressive, that's what I am trying to say to you. Well in this thread, I don't think you have to worry about that, since this thread is about Logan Paul doing stupid shit. Stupid shit that affects a hell of a lot of people outside the squared circle. Whether he can do a great moonsault or not is the least of his worries or our concern here. In live threads, again, I get it. Just concentrate on the wrestling, or if you're going to make a comment about how you hate the dude or don't want him there...you could always just use the below gif to show how you feel.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Aug 7, 2024 1:02:10 GMT -5
You're correct, it's f***ing appalling. There's only so much we can do and somewhere between little and zero is going to happen on the FAN Forums. Sometimes you gotta take baby steps, even if you shouldn't. I'm not saying you should tolerate intolerance, but sometimes there's no there there. Aren't there still actions individual fans can take? People don't have to resign themselves to doing nothing. Stop watching WWE. Cancel Peacock and Netflix subscriptions. Give very specific reasons why you're cancelling Peacock and Netflix as it relates to WWE management's recent decisions. E-mail WWE's sponsors about their support of the company in light of WWE management's recent decisions. Avoid attending WWE shows when the company is in your town for a house show, or TV, or a PPV. Most of these will affect the only bottom line WWE cares about: money. These are very concrete actions. There's always more that can be done and more real-world stuff to be done outside the scope of watching a wrestling TV show, but not watching and not paying for a wrestling TV show is still some kind of action.
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