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Post by ZombieElvis on Sept 19, 2024 7:22:18 GMT -5
If a person can't tell that the one in a can is different than the one in a bottle that should be on them and not Prime, unless kids that's a different story and primarily what the argument is I know. I just can't stand someone getting blamed for something because the aggrieved adult didn't read a lable. Also Lunchables are ass these days, even more ass than from when I was a kid. The nuggets are meh and nachos decent but the rest I couldn't even stomach. If this somehow causes them to step their game up, good. But... most soft drinks have both cans and bottles that are the same, why would someone assume that on this particular drink cans and bottles are different? Cans are carbonated while the bottles aren’t and offer a larger variety of flavors.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 19, 2024 7:57:11 GMT -5
But... most soft drinks have both cans and bottles that are the same, why would someone assume that on this particular drink cans and bottles are different? Cans are carbonated while the bottles aren’t and offer a larger variety of flavors. I mean in general. If I see a can that says Coke or a bottle that says Coke... I'm expecting a Coke, same with Sprite, Fanta, Pepsi etc. etc. So I don't see it as unreasonable that someone who, for some reason, wants to try Prime to assume that if they get a can or a bottle, there would be no difference. Are there any brands at all that make the distinction the kind of container the drink is in? Just to me, it looks like Prime is designed to make people make those mistakes. The package is dominated by the name with the energy/hydration given as much comparative space as the fine print at the bottom of the ads. Both the bottles and cans come in a rainbow of colours so there's 100 variations that people could mix up, and the main physical difference between the products is something no other brand uses to distinguish 2 varieties of a drink. If I hired someone to make 2 distinctive products and that's what they gave me they'd be fired.
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Post by Error on Sept 19, 2024 9:27:34 GMT -5
If a person can't tell that the one in a can is different than the one in a bottle that should be on them and not Prime, unless kids that's a different story and primarily what the argument is I know. I just can't stand someone getting blamed for something because the aggrieved adult didn't read a lable. Also Lunchables are ass these days, even more ass than from when I was a kid. The nuggets are meh and nachos decent but the rest I couldn't even stomach. If this somehow causes them to step their game up, good. But... most soft drinks have both cans and bottles that are the same, why would someone assume that on this particular drink cans and bottles are different? Just off the top of my head, the cost for Prime Energy in a can is double the cost of a can of coke. Prime Energy cans shape are more in line with Red Bull and other energy cans than Coke cans. Cans of soda and cans of energy drinks aren't sold in the same spot in stores.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 19, 2024 9:36:45 GMT -5
But... most soft drinks have both cans and bottles that are the same, why would someone assume that on this particular drink cans and bottles are different? Just off the top of my head, the cost for Prime Energy in a can is double the cost of a can of coke. Prime Energy cans shape are more in line with Red Bull and other energy cans than Coke cans. Cans of soda and cans of energy drinks aren't sold in the same spot in stores. But that's going back to comparing Prime to Coke. I'm using the example of every other drink out there as a comparison for how they differentiate their own products. I'm comparing Prime to Prime and how it's set up to cause maximum confusion between the variations unless you know what you're looking out for, which 90% of people don't do.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 19, 2024 9:46:55 GMT -5
I'm starting to think this Logan Paul guy isn't very nice.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 19, 2024 9:52:07 GMT -5
'Kid' is also such a spectrum. Your six year old probably isn't allowed to buy themself drinks, but what about your 10 year old going to the city pool with friends who has some money to pick up a drink and a snack while they're out? There's absolutely kids who are old enough to be unsupervised and do cash transactions in stores who are not old enough to understand this difference and they're sort of exactly who are being marketed toward by this man who makes videos for ten year olds. One is a can and one is a bottle, yes, but they both have the exact same design on them. I'm sure a lot of us have made weird uninformed mistakes as a kid by not reading a label or confusing something with something else. It's a valid point to make that Prime specifically goes against the design ideas of literally every other drink on the market by having them both look the same. That's on purpose by an unscrupulous person with ah istory of running investment scams and doing other slimy things, and kids will fall for it.
And in most stores I've been in that refrigerate their Gatorade, that shit has been way nearer to the energy drink section than not, often like specifically the wedge between the soda and the energy drinks. They are in proximity.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 19, 2024 9:57:51 GMT -5
Cans are carbonated while the bottles aren’t and offer a larger variety of flavors. I mean in general. If I see a can that says Coke or a bottle that says Coke... I'm expecting a Coke, same with Sprite, Fanta, Pepsi etc. etc. So I don't see it as unreasonable that someone who, for some reason, wants to try Prime to assume that if they get a can or a bottle, there would be no difference. Are there any brands at all that make the distinction the kind of container the drink is in? Just to me, it looks like Prime is designed to make people make those mistakes. The package is dominated by the name with the energy/hydration given as much comparative space as the fine print at the bottom of the ads. Both the bottles and cans come in a rainbow of colours so there's 100 variations that people could mix up, and the main physical difference between the products is something no other brand uses to distinguish 2 varieties of a drink. If I hired someone to make 2 distinctive products and that's what they gave me they'd be fired. Almost like this was never intended to last and was just a quick cash grab. But I’m sure he has no history of those kind of antics.
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Post by Error on Sept 19, 2024 10:50:28 GMT -5
Just off the top of my head, the cost for Prime Energy in a can is double the cost of a can of coke. Prime Energy cans shape are more in line with Red Bull and other energy cans than Coke cans. Cans of soda and cans of energy drinks aren't sold in the same spot in stores. But that's going back to comparing Prime to Coke. I'm using the example of every other drink out there as a comparison for how they differentiate their own products. I'm comparing Prime to Prime and how it's set up to cause maximum confusion between the variations unless you know what you're looking out for, which 90% of people don't do. You wanted to know why someone would not think Prime Energy that is in a can and Prime Sport that is a bottle are not the same like a can of coke and a bottle of coke. Those all apply other than the shape of the cans. Cans of coke are not the same price as bottles and cans of coke are sold along side the bottle which doesn't happen with energy drinks and sports drinks. You have to go out of your way to mix the two up.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 19, 2024 11:25:01 GMT -5
But that's going back to comparing Prime to Coke. I'm using the example of every other drink out there as a comparison for how they differentiate their own products. I'm comparing Prime to Prime and how it's set up to cause maximum confusion between the variations unless you know what you're looking out for, which 90% of people don't do. You wanted to know why someone would not think Prime Energy that is in a can and Prime Sport that is a bottle are not the same like a can of coke and a bottle of coke. Those all apply other than the shape of the cans. Cans of coke are not the same price as bottles and cans of coke are sold along side the bottle which doesn't happen with energy drinks and sports drinks. You have to go out of your way to mix the two up. I'm asking about the average consumer who goes in and sees bottle or can. If you're having to get into the specific shapes and sizes, that is a level most people don't get into. Yeah the prices of cans and bottles are different that's the same with everything. They're not that out of the ballpark anything seems amiss, can just be a bit of an expensive drink, 50p difference isn't anything to raise an eyebrow at. You have to go out of your way to get into the specifics. As for not being next to each other, if it's a small shop with 1 or 2 fridges, they are as close as makes no difference.
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Post by Error on Sept 19, 2024 11:34:46 GMT -5
You wanted to know why someone would not think Prime Energy that is in a can and Prime Sport that is a bottle are not the same like a can of coke and a bottle of coke. Those all apply other than the shape of the cans. Cans of coke are not the same price as bottles and cans of coke are sold along side the bottle which doesn't happen with energy drinks and sports drinks. You have to go out of your way to mix the two up. I'm asking about the average consumer who goes in and sees bottle or can. If you're having to get into the specific shapes and sizes, that is a level most people don't get into. Yeah the prices of cans and bottles are different that's the same with everything. They're not that out of the ballpark anything seems amiss, can just be a bit of an expensive drink, 50p difference isn't anything to raise an eyebrow at. You have to go out of your way to get into the specifics. As for not being next to each other, if it's a small shop with 1 or 2 fridges, they are as close as makes no difference. If you cannot tell the difference when looking at or grabbing the cans you need not be drinking out of cans. Price is more like $1 vs $3. At this point you're just picking nits to try and prove there is some evil conspiracy instead of expect someone to know what they are buying. What's next "but if they have no hands and cannot read?" By this tallboys should be a problem because someone could get ahold of one of those and not be able to tell the difference. At some point if you go to buy something and cannot tell a difference by the container, the written lable, the price, and the difference in containers it has to be the adult's fault.
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 19, 2024 11:44:55 GMT -5
People are generally stupid and not paying attention to these sorts of things that would seem like common sense to an informed person.
Also, buying Prime Hydrate for kids builds up brand identity and loyalty. That way it makes them a lot more likely to buy the energy drink when they're old enough to go to the store on their own. It's not some grand conspiracy theory, but Marketing 101. "Hook em while they're young."
It's pretty similar to the kinds of stunts the tobacco companies would pull except a bit less nefarious. As far as we know.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 19, 2024 12:09:10 GMT -5
'Kid' is also such a spectrum. Your six year old probably isn't allowed to buy themself drinks, but what about your 10 year old going to the city pool with friends who has some money to pick up a drink and a snack while they're out? There's absolutely kids who are old enough to be unsupervised and do cash transactions in stores who are not old enough to understand this difference and they're sort of exactly who are being marketed toward by this man who makes videos for ten year olds. One is a can and one is a bottle, yes, but they both have the exact same design on them. I'm sure a lot of us have made weird uninformed mistakes as a kid by not reading a label or confusing something with something else. It's a valid point to make that Prime specifically goes against the design ideas of literally every other drink on the market by having them both look the same. That's on purpose by an unscrupulous person with ah istory of running investment scams and doing other slimy things, and kids will fall for it. And in most stories I've been in that refrigerate their Gatorade, that shit has been way nearer to the energy drink section than not, often like specifically the wedge between the soda and the energy drinks. They are in proximity. I agree they are confusing as the designs are the same (except for the word “hydration” and “energy”). But what would be the point of doing that on purpose? To try to get kids to buy the more expensive energy drink by accident?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 19, 2024 12:16:52 GMT -5
'Kid' is also such a spectrum. Your six year old probably isn't allowed to buy themself drinks, but what about your 10 year old going to the city pool with friends who has some money to pick up a drink and a snack while they're out? There's absolutely kids who are old enough to be unsupervised and do cash transactions in stores who are not old enough to understand this difference and they're sort of exactly who are being marketed toward by this man who makes videos for ten year olds. One is a can and one is a bottle, yes, but they both have the exact same design on them. I'm sure a lot of us have made weird uninformed mistakes as a kid by not reading a label or confusing something with something else. It's a valid point to make that Prime specifically goes against the design ideas of literally every other drink on the market by having them both look the same. That's on purpose by an unscrupulous person with ah istory of running investment scams and doing other slimy things, and kids will fall for it. And in most stories I've been in that refrigerate their Gatorade, that shit has been way nearer to the energy drink section than not, often like specifically the wedge between the soda and the energy drinks. They are in proximity. I agree they are confusing as the designs are the same (except for the word “hydration” and “energy”). But what would be the point of doing that on purpose? To try to get kids to buy the more expensive energy drink by accident? Yeah, someone accidentally buying the more expensive product is gonna give you a few more bucks, now multiply that across every kid accidentally doing that. It sounds cartoonish in terms of just trying to squeeze every dollar imaginable out of something, but we're talking about the cartoon villain of our era.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 19, 2024 12:29:27 GMT -5
I'm asking about the average consumer who goes in and sees bottle or can. If you're having to get into the specific shapes and sizes, that is a level most people don't get into. Yeah the prices of cans and bottles are different that's the same with everything. They're not that out of the ballpark anything seems amiss, can just be a bit of an expensive drink, 50p difference isn't anything to raise an eyebrow at. You have to go out of your way to get into the specifics. As for not being next to each other, if it's a small shop with 1 or 2 fridges, they are as close as makes no difference. If you cannot tell the difference when looking at or grabbing the cans you need not be drinking out of cans. Price is more like $1 vs $3. At this point you're just picking nits to try and prove there is some evil conspiracy instead of expect someone to know what they are buying. What's next "but if they have no hands and cannot read?" By this tallboys should be a problem because someone could get ahold of one of those and not be able to tell the difference. At some point if you go to buy something and cannot tell a difference by the container, the written lable, the price, and the difference in containers it has to be the adult's fault. Most people do not have total consumer knowledge of every product they buy, and every year billions of dollars are spent both to compensate for that fact, and to exploit it. When deceptive marketing and packaging deceives someone, that's them being deceived, not them being dumb and stupid, marketing works on everyone. Prime goes against the basic distinguishing design principles of the entire beverage industry, so even a working knowledge of buying drinks counter-intuitively might lead to mistakes being made and nobody knows everything about every product on the shelf. I think you're the one picking at nits here with this strawman junk about hand-less illiterate people when the core of this is just "the designs are deceptively similar to the thing they sell children". Like, no, tallboys would not be a problem because Bud Light does not have Bud Light Kids Fruit Juice. There's also like, laws that keep children from buying alcohol.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Sept 19, 2024 12:54:32 GMT -5
I hate that this guy is such an asshole, a genuine penis head that I can't talk about how bad that Meta Moon flavor was. It isn't every day that you can drink something and be like "damn whoever made this is definitely up to no good", well besides Fanta. It tasted like the gutter at a Denny's...
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Post by Error on Sept 19, 2024 13:25:58 GMT -5
If you cannot tell the difference when looking at or grabbing the cans you need not be drinking out of cans. Price is more like $1 vs $3. At this point you're just picking nits to try and prove there is some evil conspiracy instead of expect someone to know what they are buying. What's next "but if they have no hands and cannot read?" By this tallboys should be a problem because someone could get ahold of one of those and not be able to tell the difference. At some point if you go to buy something and cannot tell a difference by the container, the written lable, the price, and the difference in containers it has to be the adult's fault. Most people do not have total consumer knowledge of every product they buy, and every year billions of dollars are spent both to compensate for that fact, and to exploit it. When deceptive marketing and packaging deceives someone, that's them being deceived, not them being dumb and stupid, marketing works on everyone. Prime goes against the basic distinguishing design principles of the entire beverage industry, so even a working knowledge of buying drinks counter-intuitively might lead to mistakes being made and nobody knows everything about every product on the shelf. I think you're the one picking at nits here with this strawman junk about hand-less illiterate people when the core of this is just "the designs are deceptively similar to the thing they sell children". Like, no, tallboys would not be a problem because Bud Light does not have Bud Light Kids Fruit Juice. There's also like, laws that keep children from buying alcohol. If you would pay attention to my argument, the whole time I've been talking about adults and made it clear this was not about the issues when it comes to kids. That is entirely two different situations. It's because of that I mentioned alcohol and armless adults that cannot read. So I repeat, if an adult cannot tell the difference between the two products it is on them and not Prime, IMO. An adult should know better, should know how to read, should be able to tell that can they grabbed isn't a soda can and unless things have changed sports drinks don'tcome in a can.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Sept 19, 2024 15:25:21 GMT -5
I hate that this guy is such an asshole, a genuine penis head that I can't talk about how bad that Meta Moon flavor was. It isn't every day that you can drink something and be like "damn whoever made this is definitely up to no good", well besides Fanta. It tasted like the gutter at a Denny's... Oh I attempted one Prime to give it a chance, tasted terrible. I'm diabetic, so I'll spend my limited grams of sugar on something else.
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Post by khali on Sept 19, 2024 15:35:02 GMT -5
I feel like if my partner asked me to grab them a Prime from the gas station while I got something, there’s a nonzero chance I would get the opposite of whatever they wanted. I didn’t even know there was a Prime Hydration, whatever the hell that is, until this thread. I just thought Prime was only energy drinks.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 19, 2024 15:43:37 GMT -5
I'm asking about the average consumer who goes in and sees bottle or can. If you're having to get into the specific shapes and sizes, that is a level most people don't get into. Yeah the prices of cans and bottles are different that's the same with everything. They're not that out of the ballpark anything seems amiss, can just be a bit of an expensive drink, 50p difference isn't anything to raise an eyebrow at. You have to go out of your way to get into the specifics. As for not being next to each other, if it's a small shop with 1 or 2 fridges, they are as close as makes no difference. If you cannot tell the difference when looking at or grabbing the cans you need not be drinking out of cans. Price is more like $1 vs $3. At this point you're just picking nits to try and prove there is some evil conspiracy instead of expect someone to know what they are buying. What's next "but if they have no hands and cannot read?" By this tallboys should be a problem because someone could get ahold of one of those and not be able to tell the difference. At some point if you go to buy something and cannot tell a difference by the container, the written lable, the price, and the difference in containers it has to be the adult's fault. Thanks for going to that extreme after you've been talking about the shape of bottles and cans as distinctive features. Maybe that's the price where you are, here it's like 50p different, not exactly a huge leap. Especially when this is a product marketed to a teenage fanbase. I'm stepping away from this, we have different opinions on the average consumer and as for conspiracy? Wouldn't say that but shady, misleading business practices? LOGAN PAUL? The devil you say!
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Sept 19, 2024 16:00:55 GMT -5
I think Logan Paul has proven shitty enough that focusing on his stupid drinks is just taking away from the things that are actually shitty.
Just gotta read the label. It literally says “HYDRATION DRINK” or “ENERGY DRINK” under the much larger brand name. It’s not like it’s tucked away under the cap or on the bottom of the bottle.
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