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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 22, 2022 8:33:31 GMT -5
SRS casually said last night during the Dynamite review that one of the ideas Tony wanted to go was Miro vs Hobbs. Didn't say anything else other than st one point it was supposed to happen. Going by the clip Dave posted I'm wondering if that was what they wanted to do for Full Gear that Miro turned down
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 22, 2022 9:17:20 GMT -5
SRS casually said last night during the Dynamite review that one of the ideas Tony wanted to go was Miro vs Hobbs. Didn't say anything else other than st one point it was supposed to happen. Going by the clip Dave posted I'm wondering if that was what they wanted to do for Full Gear that Miro turned down And Dave's comment heavily insinuates that Hobbs would have beaten Miro in that scenario.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 22, 2022 9:39:11 GMT -5
Damn, Miro vs Hobbs would have been a banger, regardless of who won. If Miro turned that down, that's disappointing.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 22, 2022 10:59:07 GMT -5
He’s had one match since June. The year is almost over. Seems like a waste. Hopefully he’s back tonight. Miro vs. Joe and Miro vs. Wardlow both need to happen. While those matches would be cool, as would the Hobbs match mentioned, it's clear Miro has no interest in any of them. It feels like Miro wants to be the main focus of AEW, and won't accept anything less. But AEW has a plan they've been working on since day 1 with MJF. And they're not deviating from it.
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Post by Fade on Dec 22, 2022 11:24:36 GMT -5
It’s a bummer to hear. And if his contract ain’t up till 2026.. awkward times ahead.
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Post by raymondo316 on Dec 22, 2022 11:43:18 GMT -5
Something has clearly gone wrong between Miro & management, because just after he signed his new deal he said in an interview how much he enjoys being in AEW, yet now he's apparently being difficult to work with.
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Post by champchumpchange on Dec 22, 2022 11:48:41 GMT -5
Get the mic out of your mouth Dave
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Post by markymark on Dec 22, 2022 11:55:22 GMT -5
Something has clearly gone wrong between Miro & management, because just after he signed his new deal he said in an interview how much he enjoys being in AEW, yet now he's apparently being difficult to work with.
It feels like Andrade all over again.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Dec 22, 2022 12:31:38 GMT -5
This is disappointing, if true.
You've got Jericho being perfectly willing to take a clean L to some guy no one has ever even heard of, but apparently Miro is refusing to lose to a 300 pound monster who is positioned as one of the future stars of the company? I don't understand why anyone even cares about wins and losses anymore in modern wrestling. It's not losing potentially affects your pay like it did in 1977.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 22, 2022 12:46:10 GMT -5
Let me clarify this as well, SRS said that Miro vs Hobbs was supposed to happen nothing else and kept going with the review (he was answering a super chat). But with Dave saying that they approached Miro with something for Full Gear back in September and declined it's kind of easy to go with the two but that may not be the case.
Though I think Dave does kind of overstate a bit too much on former WWE people not willing to put AEW guys over no? You have Andrade and maybe Miro and who else? FTR, Swerve, Lee, Athena, Danielson, Cole, Joe, KOR, and Toni all seemed perfectly willing to go with what was booked. Black seemed to have no issues losing either and his issues were mental health.
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Post by raymondo316 on Dec 22, 2022 12:50:34 GMT -5
Considering some of the terrible stuff he was happy to do in WWE, yet now he's apparently refusing to lose in AEW.
This whole thing is bizarre.
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 22, 2022 13:16:15 GMT -5
Considering some of the terrible stuff he was happy to do in WWE, yet now he's apparently refusing to lose in AEW. This whole thing is bizarre. I'm getting the sense there are probably more backstage issues then anyone is aware of. Like there is probably a lot more to this story then what we are hearing atm and I get the feeling that the locker room likely isn't always sunny like what Tony wants anyone or himself to believe. I wonder too if Miro wasn't crazy about the idea of being build up just to lose another tournament for the third time in a year.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 22, 2022 13:36:20 GMT -5
If I was Miro, I'd be kind of pissed this leaked like this, too, tbh.
I don't blame the guy for being pissed that he's off TV for literally months, and their big plan to bring him back is to lose and then he'd probably just disappear again. Hobbs is the man, but I don't think he benefits from beating a Miro that hasn't been on TV and just shows up to job.
I'm sure there's justified blame all around, but this feels like damage control on the company's part.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 22, 2022 13:46:38 GMT -5
Considering some of the terrible stuff he was happy to do in WWE, yet now he's apparently refusing to lose in AEW. This whole thing is bizarre. I'm getting the sense there are probably more backstage issues then anyone is aware of. Like there is probably a lot more to this story then what we are hearing atm and I get the feeling that the locker room likely isn't always sunny like what Tony wants anyone or himself to believe. I wonder too if Miro wasn't crazy about the idea of being build up just to lose another tournament for the third time in a year. That can honestly be said for any company honestly, and I'm a guy who said the same thing during the TNA death watch days. I will always preach things are never as great as they appear or as bad as they appear. There will always be super happy people and people wanting more. That's just life. But there could be more, maybe it was a bad story, maybe it was part of a story they wanted to tell, maybe they had nothing else. But at the same time, if they had something in mind and you decline, you gotta wait till they have something for ya. That's not even throwing shade at Miro just stating how a lot of talent over the years have talked about how they turned something down thinking they'd get something better right away and they had to wait... a long time
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 22, 2022 13:48:01 GMT -5
If I was Miro, I'd be kind of pissed this leaked like this, too, tbh. I don't blame the guy for being pissed that he's off TV for literally months, and their big plan to bring him back is to lose and then he'd probably just disappear again. Hobbs is the man, but I don't think he benefits from beating a Miro that hasn't been on TV and just shows up to job. I'm sure there's justified blame all around, but this feels like damage control on the company's part. Agree with this. Like Miro is one of there most over stars especially from last year yet all they were doing with him was building him up just to lose again-makes no sense to me. Also yeah if I was Miro I would be pissed if someone leaked this, and it comes off as almost WWE levels of pettiness like what they did to Bray when he left.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 22, 2022 13:50:56 GMT -5
Both sides have fair points here, really.
Like, if Miro doesn’t think a story fits for him, he has a right to pass it over. The company also has a right to go “Cool” and find someone willing to fill that slot. I think the thing that makes it weirder is that, in terms of losses, Miro has had two clean losses where he’s involved in the decision (Danielson and Guevara) so him not wanting to lose I can get but also go “Dude…Jericho just lost to a guy who couldn’t beat QT Marshall”.
As a fan, I hope it’s just a bump in the road and they find something that suits but I also can’t say it’s some kind of managerial failure or anything like that.
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Post by XIII on Dec 22, 2022 13:59:13 GMT -5
Should put Miro in a tag team to try to get him on tv, that way he can lose without actually losing. The Mil Mascaras rule, poor Dos Caras ate so many pins. lol
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 22, 2022 14:07:30 GMT -5
Both sides have fair points here, really. Like, if Miro doesn’t think a story fits for him, he has a right to pass it over. The company also has a right to go “Cool” and find someone willing to fill that slot. I think the thing that makes it weirder is that, in terms of losses, Miro has had two clean losses where he’s involved in the decision (Danielson and Guevara) so him not wanting to lose I can get but also go “Dude…Jericho just lost to a guy who couldn’t beat QT Marshall”. As a fan, I hope it’s just a bump in the road and they find something that suits but I also can’t say it’s some kind of managerial failure or anything like that. With Jericho, though, it's a situation where that one loss made a guy because of how much he means to the company and how he's been protected. From 2020 to today, Jericho's wrestled 34 singles matches and lost 10 of those. He's lost four singles matches total in 2022. Miro has barely been on TV and it seems like it genuinely was "creative doesn't have anything right now" more than "Miro is off filming TV shows and movies." He did a single episode cameo on a CBS Network TV show as far as I can tell. So it does feel like a failing on the company, at least to me, that the big idea to bring him back is to have him return and mix it up with Hobbs just to lose. The return program should be one that Miro wins so that if you did want to put Hobbs over, it actually means something. I don't think his wife should be out there talking WWE returns or anything and that reflects poorly on them, but I also don't think AEW has really done right by the guy.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 22, 2022 14:34:47 GMT -5
I don't think his wife should be out there talking WWE returns or anything and that reflects poorly on them, but I also don't think AEW has really done right by the guy. I sort of think that’s besides the point in the context of the story. Like, I’d like to have seen him feuding with the HoB but everything to do with that went pear shaped with whatever happened with Black and Matthews but if what management pitches for the guy isn’t good enough for him and if the company can find someone to fill the spot, it’s pretty cut and dry to me.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 22, 2022 14:41:44 GMT -5
I don't think his wife should be out there talking WWE returns or anything and that reflects poorly on them, but I also don't think AEW has really done right by the guy. I sort of think that’s besides the point in the context of the story. Like, I’d like to have seen him feuding with the HoB but everything to do with that went pear shaped with whatever happened with Black and Matthews but if what management pitches for the guy isn’t good enough for him and if the company can find someone to fill the spot, it’s pretty cut and dry to me. Right. But if what management pitched was "come back and lose to Hobbs" or "come back and lose to someone in a world title tournament again," I really can't blame the guy, and that to me really feels like they don't know what they've got in Miro. In any event, I hope they can figure it out.
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