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Post by yokohamacpfc on Jan 6, 2023 20:29:12 GMT -5
The one character CJ completely nailed was Russian nationalist Lana and for obvious reasons, that character has to be permanently retired.
Heel with sex appeal who helps her gormless himbo husband is a character being played by Tay Conti at the moment so it's not as if TK is totally adverse to that type of character but it probably helps that Tay can wrestle.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2023 20:32:51 GMT -5
The one character CJ completely nailed was Russian nationalist Lana and for obvious reasons, that character has to be permanently retired. Heel with sex appeal who helps her gormless himbo husband is a character being played by Tay Conti at the moment so it's not as if TK is totally adverse to that type of character but it probably helps that Tay can wrestle. mild take: that shouldn't be a character Tay should be playing. She is too much of a sweetheart. That happens to have a big butt.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 7, 2023 4:11:23 GMT -5
The one character CJ completely nailed was Russian nationalist Lana and for obvious reasons, that character has to be permanently retired. Heel with sex appeal who helps her gormless himbo husband is a character being played by Tay Conti at the moment so it's not as if TK is totally adverse to that type of character but it probably helps that Tay can wrestle. mild take: that shouldn't be a character Tay should be playing. She is too much of a sweetheart. That happens to have a big butt. Don't call Sammy that. There are much worse things you can call him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 7, 2023 10:50:42 GMT -5
so I've listened to a couple podcasts recently that made some interesting points that I think ties in with Miro.
Long story short is after the All Out fiasco and the tensions/issues from the summer, Tony basically decided that everything up until Revolution is going to be about building up homegrown talent again. Basic feeling seems to be if you aren't willing to help get the acts over Tony wants to build up, you aren't going to be used.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 7, 2023 14:41:40 GMT -5
so I've listened to a couple podcasts recently that made some interesting points that I think ties in with Miro. Long story short is after the All Out fiasco and the tensions/issues from the summer, Tony basically decided that everything up until Revolution is going to be about building up homegrown talent again. Basic feeling seems to be if you aren't willing to help get the acts over Tony wants to build up, you aren't going to be used. I was just thinking today how interesting it is that the champ lineup right now is SO homegrown.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 7, 2023 14:53:43 GMT -5
so I've listened to a couple podcasts recently that made some interesting points that I think ties in with Miro. Long story short is after the All Out fiasco and the tensions/issues from the summer, Tony basically decided that everything up until Revolution is going to be about building up homegrown talent again. Basic feeling seems to be if you aren't willing to help get the acts over Tony wants to build up, you aren't going to be used. I was just thinking today how interesting it is that the champ lineup right now is SO homegrown. The only person that has had a WWE run is Pac. If the Elite win on Wednesday, that'll be zero champs that went through WWE (in anyway that matters) AEW is doing a great job creating their own stars right now.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 7, 2023 14:59:59 GMT -5
so I've listened to a couple podcasts recently that made some interesting points that I think ties in with Miro. Long story short is after the All Out fiasco and the tensions/issues from the summer, Tony basically decided that everything up until Revolution is going to be about building up homegrown talent again. Basic feeling seems to be if you aren't willing to help get the acts over Tony wants to build up, you aren't going to be used. That's honestly not a bad litmus test, either; if he's going to run into difficulties with some wrestlers willing to cooperate, this would be a fast way to weed them out, since most of the people not happy to be there aren't going to go assaulting co-workers.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 7, 2023 15:01:23 GMT -5
I was just thinking today how interesting it is that the champ lineup right now is SO homegrown. The only person that has had a WWE run is Pac. If the Elite win on Wednesday, that'll be zero champs that went through WWE (in anyway that matters) AEW is doing a great job creating their own stars right now. And even then, Pac is so different from Neville it's basically a new character IMO. While I wasn't as critical as others would be I do think AEW lost it's way a bit for a good chunk of 2022, and I think going back to building was a good thing. I'm pretty sure all of their champs/top angles now are all top sellers for Merchandise (going by top sales for the month the only ones not in top angles are Danhausen, Kingston, and Willow)
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 7, 2023 15:04:29 GMT -5
so I've listened to a couple podcasts recently that made some interesting points that I think ties in with Miro. Long story short is after the All Out fiasco and the tensions/issues from the summer, Tony basically decided that everything up until Revolution is going to be about building up homegrown talent again. Basic feeling seems to be if you aren't willing to help get the acts over Tony wants to build up, you aren't going to be used. That's honestly not a bad litmus test, either; if he's going to run into difficulties with some wrestlers willing to cooperate, this would be a fast way to weed them out, since most of the people not happy to be there aren't going to go assaulting co-workers. Yeah like we don't know the whole story or what's going on but there's at least some report that Miro and Hobbs was supposed to happen and Hobbs was supposed to go over. We also know Miro turned down an angle for Full Gear so easy to make that jump. Guys who were WWE guys right now getting pushed? Joe (whose helped revitalize TNT title and has helped get heat back to Wardlow and Darby), Jericho (whose good at getting people over) BCC (getting Yuta and Top Flight over now), FTR (getting the Gunns over) and Saraya, Toni (getting the Women's Division over)
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 7, 2023 15:14:08 GMT -5
That's honestly not a bad litmus test, either; if he's going to run into difficulties with some wrestlers willing to cooperate, this would be a fast way to weed them out, since most of the people not happy to be there aren't going to go assaulting co-workers. Yeah like we don't know the whole story or what's going on but there's at least some report that Miro and Hobbs was supposed to happen and Hobbs was supposed to go over. We also know Miro turned down an angle for Full Gear so easy to make that jump. Guys who were WWE guys right now getting pushed? Joe (whose helped revitalize TNT title and has helped get heat back to Wardlow and Darby), Jericho (whose good at getting people over) BCC (getting Yuta and Top Flight over now), FTR (getting the Gunns over) and Saraya, Toni (getting the Women's Division over) Not just that, but I think there's a certain temperature read on some of them. Guys like Mox, Jericho, and Danielson are obviously very ready to play ball for the company, and be in it for the long term. That can mean pushes at times, and steps back to put people over at others, and it's not drawing a ton of complaint out of them. Time will tell on Saraya, but so far the women they've brought in from WWE have not been any issue as far as cooperation goes. It's a good way to get a feel for who's playing along and who's resisting it, and that's going to be a big deal moving forward.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 7, 2023 15:16:52 GMT -5
Joe, Bryan, and Claudio are also all big name ROH veterans who weren't products of the WWE system. Jericho never worked ROH, but he's also a long time veteran of promotions all over the world.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 7, 2023 15:40:34 GMT -5
That's honestly not a bad litmus test, either; if he's going to run into difficulties with some wrestlers willing to cooperate, this would be a fast way to weed them out, since most of the people not happy to be there aren't going to go assaulting co-workers. Yeah like we don't know the whole story or what's going on but there's at least some report that Miro and Hobbs was supposed to happen and Hobbs was supposed to go over. We also know Miro turned down an angle for Full Gear so easy to make that jump. Guys who were WWE guys right now getting pushed? Joe (whose helped revitalize TNT title and has helped get heat back to Wardlow and Darby), Jericho (whose good at getting people over) BCC (getting Yuta and Top Flight over now), FTR (getting the Gunns over) and Saraya, Toni (getting the Women's Division over) To be honest, I'd have probably turned down the Hobbs match if I was Miro, too. It'd be a great match, and it's not that putting Hobbs over would be bad, but he's been very protected so far. Pulling Miro back in just to feed him to Hobbs would be really bizarre booking, especially since both are/were heels, anyway.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 7, 2023 15:46:23 GMT -5
Yeah like we don't know the whole story or what's going on but there's at least some report that Miro and Hobbs was supposed to happen and Hobbs was supposed to go over. We also know Miro turned down an angle for Full Gear so easy to make that jump. Guys who were WWE guys right now getting pushed? Joe (whose helped revitalize TNT title and has helped get heat back to Wardlow and Darby), Jericho (whose good at getting people over) BCC (getting Yuta and Top Flight over now), FTR (getting the Gunns over) and Saraya, Toni (getting the Women's Division over) To be honest, I'd have probably turned down the Hobbs match if I was Miro, too. It'd be a great match, and it's not that putting Hobbs over would be bad, but he's been very protected so far. Pulling Miro back in just to feed him to Hobbs would be really bizarre booking, especially since both are/were heels, anyway. I've said this before, but it definitely would be. It doesn't make sense as a booking choice unless Miro is on the way out anyway. Miro is a better worker than Hobbs, more over than Hobbs, and while quite a bit older is still a prime wrestler. The time for him to put your next big hoss over isn't now - that's something Joe should be doing, maybe. I understand Khan likes to deliberately cool guys off (because his roster is stuffed and to create the impression, I think, of a journey) but Miro after being sidelined for most of 2022 shouldn't be one of them.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 7, 2023 15:59:04 GMT -5
Yeah like we don't know the whole story or what's going on but there's at least some report that Miro and Hobbs was supposed to happen and Hobbs was supposed to go over. We also know Miro turned down an angle for Full Gear so easy to make that jump. Guys who were WWE guys right now getting pushed? Joe (whose helped revitalize TNT title and has helped get heat back to Wardlow and Darby), Jericho (whose good at getting people over) BCC (getting Yuta and Top Flight over now), FTR (getting the Gunns over) and Saraya, Toni (getting the Women's Division over) Not just that, but I think there's a certain temperature read on some of them. Guys like Mox, Jericho, and Danielson are obviously very ready to play ball for the company, and be in it for the long term. That can mean pushes at times, and steps back to put people over at others, and it's not drawing a ton of complaint out of them. Time will tell on Saraya, but so far the women they've brought in from WWE have not been any issue as far as cooperation goes. It's a good way to get a feel for who's playing along and who's resisting it, and that's going to be a big deal moving forward. And meantime, it's clear booking's not against giving major spotlights to guys who did have major exposure in WWE, TNA, or wherever else: Joe got to run with the King of Television thing and it got over in a big way. May not have lasted a super long time, but the point is they're not trying to bury non-"homegrown" types, there's still plenty of chances to get over.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 7, 2023 16:09:40 GMT -5
Not just that, but I think there's a certain temperature read on some of them. Guys like Mox, Jericho, and Danielson are obviously very ready to play ball for the company, and be in it for the long term. That can mean pushes at times, and steps back to put people over at others, and it's not drawing a ton of complaint out of them. Time will tell on Saraya, but so far the women they've brought in from WWE have not been any issue as far as cooperation goes. It's a good way to get a feel for who's playing along and who's resisting it, and that's going to be a big deal moving forward. And meantime, it's clear booking's not against giving major spotlights to guys who did have major exposure in WWE, TNA, or wherever else: Joe got to run with the King of Television thing and it got over in a big way. May not have lasted a super long time, but the point is they're not trying to bury non-"homegrown" types, there's still plenty of chances to get over. Joe's reign with the TNT title (even though rather short) IMO did a lot to make it look like a prize again after a disastrous year due to the Sammy/Scorp feud (post ladder match) and Wardlow being put in some rather... lacking programs
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 11, 2023 1:38:33 GMT -5
I imagine that CJ Perry is frantically trying to delete any of her pro-WWE tweets right now
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 11, 2023 1:45:35 GMT -5
This is why Lana should have kept her fat mouth shut, no one could have predicted this but holy shit, you look like the biggest dumbass on the planet
If I'm Miro, the feud with Hobbs suddenly doesn't look too bad...
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 11, 2023 2:29:10 GMT -5
I don't think WWE being a dumpster fire really does anything to change that AEW's done pretty damn poorly by Miro. One's better to be in than the other right now but that doesn't really make what's happening to Miro now any better.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 11, 2023 2:39:43 GMT -5
I don't think WWE being a dumpster fire really does anything to change that AEW's done pretty damn poorly by Miro. One's better to be in than the other right now but that doesn't really make what's happening to Miro now any better. Most of the irritation is directed towards Lana I'd say, most we know about Miro is he turned down ideas and they were trying to work out something that benefitted both Lana spouting off like "We can always go back to the creative haven that is WWE" and then WWE absolutely imploding a week later is just really good meme fodder tbh
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Post by Dub H on Jan 11, 2023 4:04:58 GMT -5
I imagine that CJ Perry is frantically trying to delete any of her pro-WWE tweets right now Or typing pro Saudi tweets.
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