The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 24, 2023 9:11:02 GMT -5
He thinks he's wayyyy more important than he is.
Just stick to dunking on Cornette on Twitter. I actually like you there.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 24, 2023 9:16:38 GMT -5
I have sympathy and support for any wrestler that feels they aren't getting used properly. But you can't be all "that doesn't work for me, brother" on the ideas presented to you and still expect more ideas to be presented to you. Especially when the company doesn't particularly need you right now. I hope AEW and Miro can find something that makes both sides happy. If not, maybe they should come to an agreement and part ways. This is the problem, as the AEW that signed him isn't the same AEW as today. They probably needed him then and they don't now. Hobbs can do what Miro was doing, and a heel Wardlow probably could too. Miro holding out for good stories might have worked a couple of years ago.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 24, 2023 9:25:08 GMT -5
I understand not wanting to lose your first match back, but you're gonna have to put _someone_ over, so maybe he could pitch a modification to the angle where you build up a few wins on Elevation or Rampage first?
But he's apparently not even doing that...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 10:27:20 GMT -5
I just wish Miro would understand that the purpose of monster heels is to be the insurmountable odds that are eventually surmounted by a babyface.
I also wish he would understand that Hangman is a former champion who's way more over than Miro and has a finisher that could kill a cockroach. And that Hobbs is a younger talent who, at that time, had never held an AEW title whereas Miro is already a made man.
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Mar 24, 2023 10:48:47 GMT -5
I am really curious to hear from Miro's reasoning. Because from outside really doesnt look good for him.
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Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 24, 2023 10:54:10 GMT -5
I just wish Miro would understand that the purpose of monster heels is to be the insurmountable odds that are eventually surmounted by a babyface.
I also wish he would understand that Hangman is a former champion who's way more over than Miro and has a finisher that could kill a cockroach. And that Hobbs is a younger talent who, at that time, had never held an AEW title whereas Miro is already a made man.
Hangman has beaten Mox and Omega, two guys who've only been beaten a handful of times between them. I don't think anyone else in the company has done that. If Hangamn can beat those guys without them suffering, he can beat Miro.
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mystermystery
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Post by mystermystery on Mar 24, 2023 10:59:33 GMT -5
Miro would like to return and squash Hobbs, Archer, Brian Cage, Satanam Singh, and the Harlem Globetrotters in his return match.
Then he could move on to wiping out the Elite, Hangman, BCC, and Serpentico in his next match.
After that, he'd like to rip the Forbidden Door off its hinges and defeat every NJPW champion (sorry, Mercedes, you too).
Then, before taking another well deserved break, he'd like to have a respectable match with Daniel Garcia, locker room leader.
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XIII
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Post by XIII on Mar 24, 2023 11:05:00 GMT -5
Just cut him and let him figure out what he wants to do in wrestling. Tired of this nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 11:08:18 GMT -5
I just wish Miro would understand that the purpose of monster heels is to be the insurmountable odds that are eventually surmounted by a babyface.
I also wish he would understand that Hangman is a former champion who's way more over than Miro and has a finisher that could kill a cockroach. And that Hobbs is a younger talent who, at that time, had never held an AEW title whereas Miro is already a made man.
Hangman has beaten Mox and Omega, two guys who've only been beaten a handful of times between them. I don't think anyone else in the company has done that. If Hangamn can beat those guys without them suffering, he can beat Miro.
The only thing I can figure is that Miro sees himself as belonging in that same echelon as Mox, Hangman, Omega, and MJF where they just do not lose, and when they do it's a big deal.
The reality is that it's very, very hard to do that when you're booked as a monster, and the last two guys I remember ever pulling that kind of thing off are Brock and Joe, which Miro is not in the same category as.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 24, 2023 11:23:54 GMT -5
Is this like the Hardcore Holly story that Bruce tells? Holly pitcheD winning the title and then when Bruce asked "and then what?" Holly's response was "I beat everyone". Does Miro want to steamroll people and be the top guy?
At this point, Tony needs to sit down with him and just ask "Dude, what *do* you want?" and if his answer truly is that unreasonable, cut ties with him. He's a great talent, but he's not worth this nonsense
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mrbananagrabber
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Mar 24, 2023 11:26:24 GMT -5
Miro could be objecting if it’s “come back only to be booked in a match on free TV to lose to X” with no build up and no story. Austin did the same thing when he was booked to lose to Lesnar on a random episode of TV in a heatless qualifier for King of the Ring.
If that’s the case, I guess I get that. AEW has been criticised in the past for just making matches that could potentially have build and throwing them away in a week. Maybe he feels having someone go over him should actually mean something?
On the other hand, Miro ain’t Austin.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Mar 24, 2023 12:35:10 GMT -5
I will have to say that, I wish TK would be tougher about shit this. Because you can’t have upper-midcard wrestlers think they’re Hulk Hogan and refusing to do jobs. Again, I understand that maybe the ideas AEW are giving him aren’t the greatest. But you’re telling me you’re too good to come in second place in a battle royal?
Maybe I’m wrong, I’m beginning to wonder if the ex WWE guys are really that up their own asses. Especially, him, Punk, Andrade, FTR. At least Mox, Jericho and Danielson seem to actually give a shit about the company.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 24, 2023 12:39:11 GMT -5
Either make his ass come to work or cut him
This has gone on long enough
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Post by markymark on Mar 24, 2023 12:40:13 GMT -5
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Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 24, 2023 12:54:19 GMT -5
I will have to say that, I wish TK would be tougher about shit this. Because you can’t have upper-midcard wrestlers think they’re Hulk Hogan and refusing to do jobs. Again, I understand that maybe the ideas AEW are giving him aren’t the greatest. But you’re telling me you’re too good to come in second place in a battle royal? Maybe I’m wrong, I’m beginning to wonder if the ex WWE guys are really that up their own asses. Especially, him, Punk, Andrade, FTR. At least Mox, Jericho and Danielson seem to actually give a shit about the company. I wonder with some of the ex-WWE guys whether it's ego or the company structure. By all reports, AEW is a little looser and more casual. Some people just need more structure and authority to keep them in line. Give them a little room and they start causing problems. Others, like Mox, thrive in more open environments and thoroughly hate structured ones. It's not a criticism of AEW or WWE, just different things work for different people.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 24, 2023 12:58:31 GMT -5
Maybe I’m wrong, I’m beginning to wonder if the ex WWE guys are really that up their own asses. Especially, him, Punk, Andrade, FTR. At least Mox, Jericho and Danielson seem to actually give a shit about the company. I think it’s a real coin flip with who comes in and their origins, I guess. Keith Lee, Swerve and (to an extent) Malakai are former independent stars who are willing to be flexible and, in Swerve’s case, have understandable chips on their shoulders. People like Miro have mostly only known the WWE system and how it works and likely knew people or bookers that understood stuff through that system too so anything outside of it gets a different response. It’s not to justify anything but it’s something that’ll hopefully get not so much phased out as people have a growing awareness of the differences between AEW and WWE like the difference between US and Japanese wrestling and the demands that talent have for both.
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Post by poodoojenkins on Mar 24, 2023 13:08:52 GMT -5
Miro sucks. Always has, always will.
The most over he ever was came from the other people around him yelling a catchphrase.
Ship him and Punk off to Self-Important Island and let them debate their greatness away from people who actually want to work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 13:12:34 GMT -5
I will have to say that, I wish TK would be tougher about shit this. Because you can’t have upper-midcard wrestlers think they’re Hulk Hogan and refusing to do jobs. Again, I understand that maybe the ideas AEW are giving him aren’t the greatest. But you’re telling me you’re too good to come in second place in a battle royal? Maybe I’m wrong, I’m beginning to wonder if the ex WWE guys are really that up their own asses. Especially, him, Punk, Andrade, FTR. At least Mox, Jericho and Danielson seem to actually give a shit about the company. I wonder with some of the ex-WWE guys whether it's ego or the company structure. By all reports, AEW is a little looser and more casual. Some people just need more structure and authority to keep them in line. Give them a little room and they start causing problems. Others, like Mox, thrive in more open environments and thoroughly hate structured ones. It's not a criticism of AEW or WWE, just different things work for different people.
I'm sure order and authority is part of it, but I think the bigger issue is past experience.
As mentioned, Swerve, Keith Lee, Adam Cole, Mox, Danielson... they all got their starts on the Indy scene BEFORE going to WWE. I imagine on the indies, there's way more freedom, but way more risk, too. You can be a pain in the ass to a promoter only so many times before you get a rep and you can't get booked anywhere. On top of that, you have to find work... nobody's telling you "Be in Pittsburgh on Monday morning" before telling you what your next 6 months of longterm booking is when you're on the indies.
For better or for worse, TK likes to run things loose where guys are allowed to have creative input, but you still gotta show up and play ball eventually
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Post by The Captain on Mar 24, 2023 13:21:34 GMT -5
Losing in a pretend scripted sports doesn't really matter. It's all in presentation and booking. No one wants to look like a goober, but putting other people over every so often doesn't make you look like one, either.
That and people who win all the time without facing any sort of adversity are just boring after awhile. Hook gets away with it because he's treated like a special attraction and really only goes against lower carders while holding his dad's vanity title. But look at how much people have turned on Jade because of how dominant she always looks. Or the resentment super-pushed people like John Cena and Roman Reigns got in the past.
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Rican
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Post by Rican on Mar 24, 2023 13:29:46 GMT -5
I will have to say that, I wish TK would be tougher about shit this. Because you can’t have upper-midcard wrestlers think they’re Hulk Hogan and refusing to do jobs. Again, I understand that maybe the ideas AEW are giving him aren’t the greatest. But you’re telling me you’re too good to come in second place in a battle royal? Maybe I’m wrong, I’m beginning to wonder if the ex WWE guys are really that up their own asses. Especially, him, Punk, Andrade, FTR. At least Mox, Jericho and Danielson seem to actually give a shit about the company.Yeah, there seems to be a lot of recent “oh maybe there was a good reason why they only went so far”. Even Bray since coming back to WWE and seemingly more creative freedom now.
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