The CM Punk/Shield story

[ChitownKnight]

So did was the Shield actually Punk’s idea? Or was that complete bullshit as well?

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

This is one of those things where people will take a little detail and use that to argue in bad faith.

I can believe Punk was told he was getting a stable of established guys and that he suggested they use new guys, then went in the process of coming up names he wanted, and agreeing to changes the company insisted on.

But, specifically calling them The Shield along with their general gimmick probably came from elsewhere, and that's where someone looking to argue in bad faith will use that as a pedantic argument, "Um actually Punk didn't come up with The Shield, it was XYZ".

[Nosnorb]

Both Mox and Roman have said that The Shield was not the brainchild of CM Punk.

[Allie Kitsune]

I know he's a braindead meathead, but Ryback should have beat him for the title.

[kingoftheindies]

In Mox's book he says it was not Punk's idea nor was Chris Hero ever going to be in it (and that comes from Chris Hero per Mox). Mox was pretty adamant that those 3 were always the choice

[bluebeach25]

Apperantly it was Punk's idea to a point. I know Roman Reigns said otherwise but the idea was pitched of having a stable with some guys (i think it was Show, Mysterio and someone else or something like that) but instead Punk wanted a Stable with 3 New Guys he pitched the idea of putting Rollins, Moxley and Chris Hero in it. Vince probably wanted Roman instead of Hero which was probably the best thing they could have done looking at it back.

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Oct 27, 2022 10:30:11 GMT -5 bluebeach25 said:

Apperantly it was Punk's idea to a point. I know Roman Reigns said otherwise but the idea was pitched of having a stable with some guys (i think it was Show, Mysterio and someone else or something like that) but instead Punk wanted a Stable with 3 New Guys he pitched the idea of putting Rollins, Moxley and Chris Hero in it. Vince probably wanted Roman instead of Hero which was probably the best thing they could have done looking at it back.

With or without the Shield, Roman was destined to be a Vince project/top guy. I'm sure the moment Vince laid eyes on him and then he found out he was a member of Vince's favorite family Vince instantly creamed his pants.

[chazraps]

Oct 27, 2022 10:30:11 GMT -5 bluebeach25 said:

Apperantly it was Punk's idea to a point. I know Roman Reigns said otherwise but the idea was pitched of having a stable with some guys (i think it was Show, Mysterio and someone else or something like that) but instead Punk wanted a Stable with 3 New Guys he pitched the idea of putting Rollins, Moxley and Chris Hero in it. Vince probably wanted Roman instead of Hero which was probably the best thing they could have done looking at it back.

No, even Hero said on his podcast that this wasn't true and his first time hearing this was when Punk said it on the podcast, and he inferred he checked with the people who would have known if Punk pitched anything like that and they said it wasn't true.

[polarbearpete]

Oct 27, 2022 14:00:58 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Oct 27, 2022 10:30:11 GMT -5 bluebeach25 said:

Apperantly it was Punk's idea to a point. I know Roman Reigns said otherwise but the idea was pitched of having a stable with some guys (i think it was Show, Mysterio and someone else or something like that) but instead Punk wanted a Stable with 3 New Guys he pitched the idea of putting Rollins, Moxley and Chris Hero in it. Vince probably wanted Roman instead of Hero which was probably the best thing they could have done looking at it back.

No, even Hero said on his podcast that this wasn't true and his first time hearing this was when Punk said it on the podcast, and he inferred he checked with the people who would have known if Punk pitched anything like that and they said it wasn't true.

That’s not accurate from what I’ve seen. Hero said he was never planned to be in the Shield but that Punk did pitch it :

A little thing that annoys me about this is that people heard the podcast with [CM] Punk, and then they put that information out there, and it just kind of took a life of its own. When Punk pitched the trio of myself, [Dean] Ambrose and [Seth] Rollins, there was no ‘Shield’ concept. It was just, ‘Hey, let’s pair these three guys with me.’ Right? So, technically, I was never supposed to be a member of The Shield because The Shield didn’t exist when this was pitched.

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[Main Event Mark]

I always thought the "Sierra Hotel India Echo Lima Delta" bit at the start was voiced by Punk. Sounded like it to me.

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Oct 27, 2022 9:28:18 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

I know he's a braindead meathead, but Ryback should have beat him for the title.

I highly suggest people watch the clip of him talking about Punk recently, while gorging down food. It’s hilarious.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Oct 27, 2022 12:08:51 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Oct 27, 2022 10:30:11 GMT -5 bluebeach25 said:

Apperantly it was Punk's idea to a point. I know Roman Reigns said otherwise but the idea was pitched of having a stable with some guys (i think it was Show, Mysterio and someone else or something like that) but instead Punk wanted a Stable with 3 New Guys he pitched the idea of putting Rollins, Moxley and Chris Hero in it. Vince probably wanted Roman instead of Hero which was probably the best thing they could have done looking at it back.

With or without the Shield, Roman was destined to be a Vince project/top guy. I'm sure the moment Vince laid eyes on him and then he found out he was a member of Vince's favorite family Vince instantly creamed his pants.

Per the stories, HHH was the one that pointed out Roman as a future top star. Vince was going to run with Big E as his next ace.

Main EVent Big E. with Vince in charge would have been rough... E definitely has the charisma to pull it off but considering how Vince was booking him Pre-New Day...

[Mozenrath]

Oct 28, 2022 18:26:19 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Oct 27, 2022 12:08:51 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

With or without the Shield, Roman was destined to be a Vince project/top guy. I'm sure the moment Vince laid eyes on him and then he found out he was a member of Vince's favorite family Vince instantly creamed his pants.

Per the stories, HHH was the one that pointed out Roman as a future top star. Vince was going to run with Big E as his next ace.

Main EVent Big E. with Vince in charge would have been rough... E definitely has the charisma to pull it off but considering how Vince was booking him Pre-New Day...

Yeah, Big E was always someone with potential and good, but he was presented so dryly pre-New Day.

"This person's hilarious. Let's never do anything with that."

[Hypnosis]

Oct 28, 2022 19:26:38 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Oct 28, 2022 18:26:19 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Per the stories, HHH was the one that pointed out Roman as a future top star. Vince was going to run with Big E as his next ace.

Main EVent Big E. with Vince in charge would have been rough... E definitely has the charisma to pull it off but considering how Vince was booking him Pre-New Day...

Yeah, Big E was always someone with potential and good, but he was presented so dryly pre-New Day.

"This person's hilarious. Let's never do anything with that."

And had a singlet digging into his ass crack as the only thing that was goofy about him.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Oct 28, 2022 19:26:38 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Oct 28, 2022 18:26:19 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Per the stories, HHH was the one that pointed out Roman as a future top star. Vince was going to run with Big E as his next ace.

Main EVent Big E. with Vince in charge would have been rough... E definitely has the charisma to pull it off but considering how Vince was booking him Pre-New Day...

Yeah, Big E was always someone with potential and good, but he was presented so dryly pre-New Day.

"This person's hilarious. Let's never do anything with that."

and hten we'd get random bits of his personality clip through and everyone was confused... like the AGGRESSIVE FLAG WAVING!

[tirtefaa]

Much like a lot of professional wrestling lore, the truth is likely another situation where someone was present for something and think they were more important to the situation than what was actually the case.

Just because Punk asked for or suggested some development guys for him doesn't really seem like he was part of the creation process at all. That's like giving credit to Pope Julius II for the Sistine Chapel instead of Michelangelo.

[Jindrak Mark]

Was there ever a payoff/explanation to the Punk/Shield stuff on TV or was it one of the many things Vince just forgot about?

When they debuted it was implied they were mercenaries being paid off by Punk/Heyman to take out Punk's enemies like Ryback, Cena and Rock.

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Oct 30, 2022 8:30:02 GMT -5 Jindrak Mark said:

Was there ever a payoff/explanation to the Punk/Shield stuff on TV or was it one of the many things Vince just forgot about?

When they debuted it was implied they were mercenaries being paid off by Punk/Heyman to take out Punk's enemies like Ryback, Cena and Rock.

It ended up just being the three being “mercs” or “hounds of justice” or whatever iirc. Which, in hindsight, was absolutely the right call.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Oct 30, 2022 8:30:02 GMT -5 Jindrak Mark said:

Was there ever a payoff/explanation to the Punk/Shield stuff on TV or was it one of the many things Vince just forgot about?

When they debuted it was implied they were mercenaries being paid off by Punk/Heyman to take out Punk's enemies like Ryback, Cena and Rock.

They were paid by Heyman.

It was referenced in one of the Brad Maddox things... he said something like we pay the Shield they do the job they keep their mouths shut... but you keep talking.

it was implied they were just general paid mercs.

[Ozman]

Oct 30, 2022 8:30:02 GMT -5 Jindrak Mark said:

Was there ever a payoff/explanation to the Punk/Shield stuff on TV or was it one of the many things Vince just forgot about?

When they debuted it was implied they were mercenaries being paid off by Punk/Heyman to take out Punk's enemies like Ryback, Cena and Rock.

I think after The Shield was able to get over on their own, they were quietly separated from Punk.