2023 MLB Thread: Texas Rangers World Series Champions

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Just to sum up the crazy that was today:

Astros No Hit the Guardians

Mets lost on a Disengagement in the 10th

The Cubs scored 20 runs

The Giants win the game against Arizona with a pickoff to first base

[hashtagdaley/JudasDay]

Aug 2, 2023 0:06:56 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Just to sum up the crazy that was today:

Astros No Hit the Guardians

Mets lost on a Disengagement in the 10th

The Cubs scored 20 runs

The Giants win the game against Arizona with a pickoff to first base

[Ben Wyatt]

Aug 1, 2023 17:13:56 GMT -5 BRV said:

Aug 1, 2023 9:28:24 GMT -5 BRV said:

That’s because the Boston Red Sox are now no more than a part of John Henry’s portfolio. He used to live and die with this team, but now they mean no more to him than Liverpool FC, the Pittsburgh Penguins, Rousch Racing, or the Vegas NBA franchise he’s trying to get in on.

The franchise has won 4 titles in the last 19 years after damn near a century of epic failure. The fact that Henry is hated so much by the vast majority of the fanbase should tell you what an absolute dogshit owner he's turned into.  The Red Sox need a Bob Kraft type owner, which is to say, someone who has been a lifelong fan and who's sole focus is seeing said team as their biggest priority.  

[HMARK Center]

Aug 1, 2023 23:39:36 GMT -5 sfvega said:

Aug 1, 2023 18:14:01 GMT -5 UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm said:

I don’t understand why Mets fans would be another but over the moon right now all things considered. That is a haul and a half for a failed season, I’d be psyched.

I'm not so sure I feel the same way. They traded two guys who are arms at the top of the rotation, which is rare these days. Granted, they're older. But of the guys they received, Acuna and Gilbert aren't super high end or phenom talents. They compare to Harrison Bader and Vidal Brujan to me, though Brujan was supposed to be a lot better than he ended up being (for the time being anyway.) He was supposed to be a decent contact hitter with 15 HR-power and 20-25 SB-speed. But is that more valuable than an ace? Losing the payroll is the bigger deal, but it depends on how much money they sent to jettison it. If it's just a hit in the shorter-term, then it's a good deal to reset again in FA or trades, but I don't think they got truly great talent in return. Just above average.

It’s more valuable than Scherzer and Verander, specifically, for a couple reasons:
-Max isn’t Max anymore. That lat injury last year has hurt his on field production, and it’s possible as he ages that it won’t really get better. Doesn’t mean he sucks, doesn’t mean he won’t help Texas this year, but the Mets would be paying him insane amounts of money to likely (not definitely, just likely) keep falling off.
-Verlander was better this year than Max and I’d have been fine keeping him, but his peripherals and early season injury also has to play into whether Father Time is coming for him, too. Seeing “sign a lot of old guys to short deals to bide time for the farm” wasn’t working, the Mets decided to cash out a year early instead of a year too late, as Branch Rickey would’ve said.

-The bigger deal is that there was no way we were getting can’t miss, guaranteed “gonna take MLB by storm next year” prospects because teams don’t trade those for 40 year old starters they still have to pay a lot of money to, even with Cohen kicking in a lot of cash. Hell, contending teams don't trade those, period, because if those players are so good, why would a contender get rid of them?
Still, some of those prospects are higher ranked than it might seem: mid season adjusted farm rankings haven’t been released yet, there’s a good chance a number of them will jump significantly based on a number of factors. Beyond that, sometimes you need to go more by what scouting tells you than what a couple industry publications do; knowing your system's strengths, what kind of players you want to develop, etc. plays into whether a prospect is a good fit for a team.
Even more importantly, it beefs up the Mets’ system considerably. They’re now likely a top 5-10 system; even if none of those guys come up and are superstars, just getting positive contributors out of them would be huge, and some of them can now be used in other trades to address other needs, because most deep systems don't churn out star after star; they churn out solid player after solid player, which frees up money to do other things for the big league roster. Having a deep farm *and* Cohen bucks is a massive development for the organization.

Odds are they put together a good team next year that can be a Wild Card, then are in position to go nuts in ‘25. I hate waiting any longer on this team, I’m nearing 40, but this pivot was a much better idea than doubling down next season and hoping the old guys would be better when they’re another year older. Basically, no half-assing things the way the Wilpons would've; sell while guys who won't be here in a year or two still have value, adjust, and go from there.

[mc74]

I'm happy with how the Mets handled the deadline, and it's exactly what I wanted them to do if they took a step back this year. You gotta know when to hold em' and know when to fold em', and Cohen knew it was time to fold em'.

Makes me very thankful the Wilpons aren't in charge anymore.

[mc74]

I really like the return they got from Scherzer and Verlander too. That's pretty good for two pitchers at the tail end of their careers.

I see some people laughing at the Mets, but it doesn't matter. They did the right thing here imo.

[Mr Captain Falcon]

Anyone else see the no hitter prediction that Chris Rose made on Twitter?

[Allie Kitsune]

Aug 1, 2023 23:42:39 GMT -5 Renslayer said:

See y'all in 2024!

Only LOLMets could end a game with a Balk-Off.

[Renslayer]

Oh my god

[The Captain]

Another great personnel decision by the Yankees to stick by him after his DV suspension.

[HMARK Center]

Aug 2, 2023 7:32:19 GMT -5 mc74 said:

I really like the return they got from Scherzer and Verlander too. That's pretty good for two pitchers at the tail end of their careers.

I see some people laughing at the Mets, but it doesn't matter. They did the right thing here imo.

Yeah, I totally get LOLMets right now given how bad the season's been against the backdrop of the high expectations, but I think a lot of fans should be concerned that it's now a team with Cohen's money and a deep farm.

Ah, a game ending balk takes me back to Benitez balking Reyes home with a winning run...I'd say those were good times, but I think it was in 2007, which we don't talk about in this house.

[Vampiro138]

Aug 2, 2023 0:06:56 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Just to sum up the crazy that was today:

Astros No Hit the Guardians

Mets lost on a Disengagement in the 10th

The Cubs scored 20 runs

The Giants win the game against Arizona with a pickoff to first base

Also to add to the wackyness of the Cub game, Cubs needed a legit 3rd basemen, they traded for a legit 3rd basemen in Jeimer Candelario, his first game back with us yesterday when Cubs scored 20...David Ross decided "Lets start the 3rd basemen at 1st"

[RKTaker]

Aug 2, 2023 18:11:42 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Aug 2, 2023 7:32:19 GMT -5 mc74 said:

I really like the return they got from Scherzer and Verlander too. That's pretty good for two pitchers at the tail end of their careers.

I see some people laughing at the Mets, but it doesn't matter. They did the right thing here imo.

Yeah, I totally get LOLMets right now given how bad the season's been against the backdrop of the high expectations, but I think a lot of fans should be concerned that it's now a team with Cohen's money and a deep farm.

Ah, a game ending balk takes me back to Benitez balking Reyes home with a winning run...I'd say those were good times, but I think it was in 2007, which we don't talk about in this house.

2007-2015 don't even exist in this house

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Aug 2, 2023 17:54:00 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Another great personnel decision by the Yankees to stick by him after his DV suspension.

F*** him. Been saying since the DV incident they should have cut him. You put your hands on your wife in front of the team. It would wrong if he did it at home but between him and Ozuna the MLB is not taking DV seriously at all 

Compare that to Addison Russell who was out the league after he was accused of DV by someone he was messing with which led to his wife divorcing him 

[sfvega]

Aug 2, 2023 6:50:37 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Aug 1, 2023 23:39:36 GMT -5 sfvega said:

I'm not so sure I feel the same way. They traded two guys who are arms at the top of the rotation, which is rare these days. Granted, they're older. But of the guys they received, Acuna and Gilbert aren't super high end or phenom talents. They compare to Harrison Bader and Vidal Brujan to me, though Brujan was supposed to be a lot better than he ended up being (for the time being anyway.) He was supposed to be a decent contact hitter with 15 HR-power and 20-25 SB-speed. But is that more valuable than an ace? Losing the payroll is the bigger deal, but it depends on how much money they sent to jettison it. If it's just a hit in the shorter-term, then it's a good deal to reset again in FA or trades, but I don't think they got truly great talent in return. Just above average.

It’s more valuable than Scherzer and Verander, specifically, for a couple reasons:
-Max isn’t Max anymore. That lat injury last year has hurt his on field production, and it’s possible as he ages that it won’t really get better. Doesn’t mean he sucks, doesn’t mean he won’t help Texas this year, but the Mets would be paying him insane amounts of money to likely (not definitely, just likely) keep falling off.
-Verlander was better this year than Max and I’d have been fine keeping him, but his peripherals and early season injury also has to play into whether Father Time is coming for him, too. Seeing “sign a lot of old guys to short deals to bide time for the farm” wasn’t working, the Mets decided to cash out a year early instead of a year too late, as Branch Rickey would’ve said.

-The bigger deal is that there was no way we were getting can’t miss, guaranteed “gonna take MLB by storm next year” prospects because teams don’t trade those for 40 year old starters they still have to pay a lot of money to, even with Cohen kicking in a lot of cash. Hell, contending teams don't trade those, period, because if those players are so good, why would a contender get rid of them?
Still, some of those prospects are higher ranked than it might seem: mid season adjusted farm rankings haven’t been released yet, there’s a good chance a number of them will jump significantly based on a number of factors. Beyond that, sometimes you need to go more by what scouting tells you than what a couple industry publications do; knowing your system's strengths, what kind of players you want to develop, etc. plays into whether a prospect is a good fit for a team.
Even more importantly, it beefs up the Mets’ system considerably. They’re now likely a top 5-10 system; even if none of those guys come up and are superstars, just getting positive contributors out of them would be huge, and some of them can now be used in other trades to address other needs, because most deep systems don't churn out star after star; they churn out solid player after solid player, which frees up money to do other things for the big league roster. Having a deep farm *and* Cohen bucks is a massive development for the organization.

Odds are they put together a good team next year that can be a Wild Card, then are in position to go nuts in ‘25. I hate waiting any longer on this team, I’m nearing 40, but this pivot was a much better idea than doubling down next season and hoping the old guys would be better when they’re another year older. Basically, no half-assing things the way the Wilpons would've; sell while guys who won't be here in a year or two still have value, adjust, and go from there.

Most of that is exactly what I'm saying though. The bigger get is the money off to another team to be better spent elsewhere. I'm not shitting on the prospects, or expecting them to get world-beaters for those pitchers. I'm merely saying that the return isn't noteworthy for being well above average.

[Vampiro138]

Cubs are close to putting up another 20 on the Reds tonight, good lord!!

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Trea Turner is quickly becoming the worst signing in Philly Sports History.

[sfvega]

Aug 2, 2023 21:36:32 GMT -5 Vampiro138 said:

Cubs are close to putting up another 20 on the Reds tonight, good lord!!

Those teams are putting up football scores lately. Cubs have been on fire.

[HMARK Center]

Aug 2, 2023 20:13:37 GMT -5 RKTaker said:

Aug 2, 2023 18:11:42 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Yeah, I totally get LOLMets right now given how bad the season's been against the backdrop of the high expectations, but I think a lot of fans should be concerned that it's now a team with Cohen's money and a deep farm.

Ah, a game ending balk takes me back to Benitez balking Reyes home with a winning run...I'd say those were good times, but I think it was in 2007, which we don't talk about in this house.

2007-2015 don't even exist in this house

I'll admit, I have a soft spot for the rebuild that led to 2015; Alderson coming in through about 2016 was basically the only time in my adult life where it seemed the Wilpons weren't meddling in things (MLB had probably told them to step off for awhile after all the Madoff business), so Sandy was able to develop and/or acquire Harvey, deGrom, Thor, etc. and watching that unfold meant there was actual hope, eventually leading to that pennant.

Now, 2007-2010? Pure agony.

[mc74]

Aug 2, 2023 18:11:42 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Aug 2, 2023 7:32:19 GMT -5 mc74 said:

I really like the return they got from Scherzer and Verlander too. That's pretty good for two pitchers at the tail end of their careers.

I see some people laughing at the Mets, but it doesn't matter. They did the right thing here imo.

Yeah, I totally get LOLMets right now given how bad the season's been against the backdrop of the high expectations, but I think a lot of fans should be concerned that it's now a team with Cohen's money and a deep farm.

Ah, a game ending balk takes me back to Benitez balking Reyes home with a winning run...I'd say those were good times, but I think it was in 2007, which we don't talk about in this house.

I get the LOLMets for that reason too, but yeah, things are much different under Cohen's ownership. The team isn't taking the same approach as they did when the Wilpons owned the team.

Remember when the Wilpons did that speech where they claimed they "owed the fans" and proceeded to do the same shit as before?