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Post by fw91 on Dec 9, 2022 13:44:03 GMT -5
Well when we have a similar result to last season, we’re gonna have to ask why we aren’t good enough. Overpaying above average guys and keeping them as staples is why dooms the Mets. Need better players. and who would you get? cause Judge went back to the Yankees. What you want to get Correa and move McNeil to the outfield? yeah cause that’s a real big f***ing improvement. or if you wanted another outfielder you want Kiermeier? cause he is a downgrade over Nimmo. Like it or not Nimmo was the best option here Rather have better players in general than think about position. So yes, I’d take Correa and move McNeil over Nimmo. San Diego didn’t seem to concerned about who’s gonna play short between Tatis and Bogarts when the suspensions up. |
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Post by fw91 on Dec 9, 2022 13:47:45 GMT -5
And why weren’t the Mets at least talking to the top guys? We proved we weren’t good enough down the stretch and many fans saw the early exit coming by a mile away. So solution is to bring back the same team and hope for a different result? Not that it all falls on Nimmo’s shoulders of course, but what are we doing. Waiting for next season for Ohtani? That’s fine but I’d like a little transparency and open conversation between the front office and fans.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2022 13:59:41 GMT -5
and who would you get? cause Judge went back to the Yankees. What you want to get Correa and move McNeil to the outfield? yeah cause that’s a real big f***ing improvement. or if you wanted another outfielder you want Kiermeier? cause he is a downgrade over Nimmo. Like it or not Nimmo was the best option here Rather have better players in general than think about position. So yes, I’d take Correa and move McNeil over Nimmo. San Diego didn’t seem to concerned about who’s gonna play short between Tatis and Bogarts when the suspensions up. Because Tatis can play the OF. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 9, 2022 14:16:34 GMT -5
And why weren’t the Mets at least talking to the top guys? We proved we weren’t good enough down the stretch and many fans saw the early exit coming by a mile away. So solution is to bring back the same team and hope for a different result? Not that it all falls on Nimmo’s shoulders of course, but what are we doing. Waiting for next season for Ohtani? That’s fine but I’d like a little transparency and open conversation between the front office and fans. Teams are never that transparent with their fans. Especially when you're a big market team with f*** you money like the Mets are. Because that tips their hand with other teams who know your strategies as well. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2022 16:24:36 GMT -5
Michael Kay is saying Yankees are in on Rodon and have something bigger possibly in the works
I assume that is Correa. He also dropped a hint saying he is looking at the Yanks after Judge came back
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 9, 2022 16:42:51 GMT -5
and who would you get? cause Judge went back to the Yankees. What you want to get Correa and move McNeil to the outfield? yeah cause that’s a real big f***ing improvement. or if you wanted another outfielder you want Kiermeier? cause he is a downgrade over Nimmo. Like it or not Nimmo was the best option here Rather have better players in general than think about position. So yes, I’d take Correa and move McNeil over Nimmo. San Diego didn’t seem to concerned about who’s gonna play short between Tatis and Bogarts when the suspensions up. you should be worried about position do you remember what happened when the Mets had Lucas Duda and Murphy in the outfield? it didn't go well. also you keep saying about how the Mets need to improve and people will wonder why th eMets didn't improve if they finish the same next year. Here's the thing, you know the expression Rome wasn't built in one day? same applies here, this is the first time in 6 years that the Mets made the playoffs you really expected them to win it all in the first year? it took the Dodgers what 6-7 years to become the powerhouse that they are now. Let's say the Mets did make massive changes and won the world series next year, then what? if they fail in 2024 are you gonna say they need to make improvements? you know what that sounds like? YANKEE FANS |
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Post by fw91 on Dec 9, 2022 17:32:27 GMT -5
Rather have better players in general than think about position. So yes, I’d take Correa and move McNeil over Nimmo. San Diego didn’t seem to concerned about who’s gonna play short between Tatis and Bogarts when the suspensions up. you should be worried about position do you remember what happened when the Mets had Lucas Duda and Murphy in the outfield? it didn't go well. also you keep saying about how the Mets need to improve and people will wonder why th eMets didn't improve if they finish the same next year. Here's the thing, you know the expression Rome wasn't built in one day? same applies here, this is the first time in 6 years that the Mets made the playoffs you really expected them to win it all in the first year? it took the Dodgers what 6-7 years to become the powerhouse that they are now. Let's say the Mets did make massive changes and won the world series next year, then what? if they fail in 2024 are you gonna say they need to make improvements? you know what that sounds like? YANKEE FANS No not at all. I’d be content for a decade if the Mets won a World Series. History isn’t on our side. Our offenseive prospects seem to always bust. Alonso is the exception, not the rule. Success is never sustained. Over 60 years of existance, Mets have only been back to the post season in consecutive seasons twice. Are we ever going to ask oursevles why? We get so attached to players that aren’t bums because we aren’t used to nice things. You think opposing pitchers crap their pants against this Mets lineup? But also, that’s the thing, I DID NOT expect them to win. Only time I ever did was 2006. And let’s take that Murphy and Duda situation, they found other places to put them? You don’t think we could have found another infielder that brings more offensive prowess than Nimmo and push McNeil into the outfield? |
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 9, 2022 18:39:03 GMT -5
you should be worried about position do you remember what happened when the Mets had Lucas Duda and Murphy in the outfield? it didn't go well. also you keep saying about how the Mets need to improve and people will wonder why th eMets didn't improve if they finish the same next year. Here's the thing, you know the expression Rome wasn't built in one day? same applies here, this is the first time in 6 years that the Mets made the playoffs you really expected them to win it all in the first year? it took the Dodgers what 6-7 years to become the powerhouse that they are now. Let's say the Mets did make massive changes and won the world series next year, then what? if they fail in 2024 are you gonna say they need to make improvements? you know what that sounds like? YANKEE FANS No not at all. I’d be content for a decade if the Mets won a World Series. History isn’t on our side. Our offenseive prospects seem to always bust. Alonso is the exception, not the rule. Success is never sustained. Over 60 years of existance, Mets have only been back to the post season in consecutive seasons twice. Are we ever going to ask oursevles why? We get so attached to players that aren’t bums because we aren’t used to nice things. You think opposing pitchers crap their pants against this Mets lineup? But also, that’s the thing, I DID NOT expect them to win. Only time I ever did was 2006. And let’s take that Murphy and Duda situation, they found other places to put them? You don’t think we could have found another infielder that brings more offensive prowess than Nimmo and push McNeil into the outfield? no they didn't "find other places to put them" they put Daniel Murphy at first initially and that went awful because he's not a first baseman, he was a second baseman, Duda was a first baseman that they decided to put in the outfield for some reason. so it seems you value offense over defense, ok scoring 6 runs a game is nice but who's gonna prevent the other team from from scoring 10 runs when you have 9 shortstops playing out of position not knowing what the f*** they're doing. why even have positions then? why not put Alonso in the starting pitching rotation, and make Lindor a catcher. |
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 9, 2022 18:53:32 GMT -5
fw91 this is the last thing I'll say about this, Nimmo was not the only reason why the Mets were eliminted in the Wild card. They were 1 hit in game 3, that is not all on Nimmo, what about Lindor, what about the big acquisitions from the Previous offseason? Marte? Escobar? Canha? nothing from them. what about Bassitt and Scherzer who absolutely shit the bed in games 1 and 3? the only one who actually had a good playoff was deGrom and he's not on the team anymore. this isn't basketball one player doesn't make make an entire team good, hell sometimes a team of all stars doesn't make a team good, Look at the Yankees the past decade, look at the Marlins in 2012, Blue Jays in 2013, Padres since Preller became GM, hell even the Red Sox tried and failed. Money to spend on all the big players isn't always the solution.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 9, 2022 19:09:01 GMT -5
fw91 this is the last thing I'll say about this, Nimmo was not the only reason why the Mets were eliminted in the Wild card. They were 1 hit in game 3, that is not all on Nimmo, what about Lindor, what about the big acquisitions from the Previous offseason? Marte? Escobar? Canha? nothing from them. what about Bassitt and Scherzer who absolutely shit the bed in games 1 and 3? the only one who actually had a good playoff was deGrom and he's not on the team anymore. this isn't basketball one player doesn't make make an entire team good, hell sometimes a team of all stars doesn't make a team good, Look at the Yankees the past decade, look at the Marlins in 2012, Blue Jays in 2013, Padres since Preller became GM, hell even the Red Sox tried and failed. Money to spend on all the big players isn't always the solution. Don't get me wrong. Nimmo isn't a problem in of himself. I just don't find him to be a difference maker, and he's being treated as such with that contract, and by Mets fans who again are prone to getting attached to any player who doesn't outright stink. |
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 9, 2022 19:18:31 GMT -5
fw91 this is the last thing I'll say about this, Nimmo was not the only reason why the Mets were eliminted in the Wild card. They were 1 hit in game 3, that is not all on Nimmo, what about Lindor, what about the big acquisitions from the Previous offseason? Marte? Escobar? Canha? nothing from them. what about Bassitt and Scherzer who absolutely shit the bed in games 1 and 3? the only one who actually had a good playoff was deGrom and he's not on the team anymore. this isn't basketball one player doesn't make make an entire team good, hell sometimes a team of all stars doesn't make a team good, Look at the Yankees the past decade, look at the Marlins in 2012, Blue Jays in 2013, Padres since Preller became GM, hell even the Red Sox tried and failed. Money to spend on all the big players isn't always the solution. Don't get me wrong. Nimmo isn't a problem in of himself. I just don't find him to be a difference maker, and he's being treated as such with that contract, and by Mets fans who again are prone to getting attached to any player who doesn't outright stink. but my point is that replacing just Nimmo with Turner, Correa, Judge, etc doesn't automatically solve all of the Mets problems, it doesn't make Marte Escobar, Canha hit. it doesn't make Scherzer and Bassitt remember how to pitch in games 1 and 3. this isn't a video game you can't just sign all the best players and win, if you're gonna make a move ite has to be something that makes sense. who were the best offensive free agents this year? Judge, Correa, Turner, and Nimmo. They missed out on Turner, and Judge and while nobody has gotten Correa, Mets did get Nimmo so they technically did get one of the best options available |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2022 19:20:52 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind as well, even as is now Mets are basically going to spend around $400M for the team when you include taxes. They said they aren't done, so this team could be a $500M team before it is all said and done
Mets are basically putting their all into this 2 year run because after this they are def going below the tax threshold just to get some relief. Will be fun to hear them being called cheap with a $200M payroll
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2022 22:34:00 GMT -5
So details of Padres/Judge have been released
Padres offered Judge $400 Mill over 14 years and if Judge agreed it most likely would been veoted. While it would still been a record breaking contract, they did not like that the contract would been done in hopes of avoiding the luxury tax as the AAV Judge would made wouldn't have even put him in the top 20 in history
I wonder if next CBA they try to put a limit on how many years a contract agreement can stretch. Considering Judge would been in his mid 40s if he signed that deal and most likely retired I can see why they would jumped on it
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Post by The Captain on Dec 9, 2022 22:51:17 GMT -5
So details of Padres/Judge have been released Padres offered Judge $400 Mill over 14 years and if Judge agreed it most likely would been veoted. While it would still been a record breaking contract, they did not like that the contract would been done in hopes of avoiding the luxury tax as the AAV Judge would made wouldn't have even put him in the top 20 in history I wonder if next CBA they try to put a limit on how many years a contract agreement can stretch. Considering Judge would been in his mid 40s if he signed that deal and most likely retired I can see why they would jumped on it Not surprised Judge turned that down. Despite the insane years, that would've been around $28.5 AAV. So it's way less than what he would've made per year with the Yanks or the Giants.
Hell, I think that's less AAV than the Yankees' initial offer way back in the beginning of the year.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 10, 2022 1:11:22 GMT -5
So details of Padres/Judge have been released Padres offered Judge $400 Mill over 14 years and if Judge agreed it most likely would been veoted. While it would still been a record breaking contract, they did not like that the contract would been done in hopes of avoiding the luxury tax as the AAV Judge would made wouldn't have even put him in the top 20 in history I wonder if next CBA they try to put a limit on how many years a contract agreement can stretch. Considering Judge would been in his mid 40s if he signed that deal and most likely retired I can see why they would jumped on it Not surprised Judge turned that down. Despite the insane years, that would've been around $28.5 AAV. So it's way less than what he would've made per year with the Yanks or the Giants.
Hell, I think that's less AAV than the Yankees' initial offer way back in the beginning of the year.
Yeah, by comparison I think he barely would cracked top 15 in the league right in terms of AAV right now. There was no way he was going to be able to sign that if he wanted too. If Padres offered $500M over those 14 years then that is a diff story but anything short of him breaking the Position player AAV and most free agent contract money, the MLBPA would been up the owners asses accusing them of f***ing up the market and they wouldn't have been wrong |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 10, 2022 12:18:27 GMT -5
Not surprised Judge turned that down. Despite the insane years, that would've been around $28.5 AAV. So it's way less than what he would've made per year with the Yanks or the Giants.
Hell, I think that's less AAV than the Yankees' initial offer way back in the beginning of the year.
Yeah, by comparison I think he barely would cracked top 15 in the league right in terms of AAV right now. There was no way he was going to be able to sign that if he wanted too. If Padres offered $500M over those 14 years then that is a diff story but anything short of him breaking the Position player AAV and most free agent contract money, the MLBPA would been up the owners asses accusing them of f***ing up the market and they wouldn't have been wrong I just read that MLB probably would've voided the deal outright because it circumvented the spirit of the luxury tax essentially acting as a soft salary cap. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 10, 2022 13:32:22 GMT -5
Kevin Kiermaier to the Blue Jays
Giants had made an offer to Brandon Nimmo before Mets owner called him and that deal got done
Cubs interested in Trey Mancini
Swanson and Braves haven't had much communication
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Dec 10, 2022 14:13:10 GMT -5
Giants had made an offer to Brandon Nimmo before Mets owner called him and that deal got done I think the sole existence of the Giants is to give players offers to immediately send back to the team they really want to go to. |
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Post by fw91 on Dec 10, 2022 23:45:00 GMT -5
Mets got Senga. 5 years 75M
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 10, 2022 23:47:16 GMT -5
Mets got Senga. 5 years 75M NTC and multiple opt outs |
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