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Post by fw91 on Dec 10, 2022 23:49:36 GMT -5
I know it sounds greedy, but I Still would like a new bat in the lineup in order for me to get really excited.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 10, 2022 23:50:14 GMT -5
Mets are going to pay out the ass this year. Like I said this is a 2 year window because even Cohen won't keep paying the amounts that he will have to
Before the Senga deal they already had a payroll close $320M and a $335M luxury tax
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Post by ghost on Dec 11, 2022 0:06:18 GMT -5
Ohtani is a free agent next year. Cohen’s spending isn’t going to stop here.
Scherzer, Verlander, Senga, Quintana, and Carrasco. They fixed up that rotation pretty quick.
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Post by Renslayer on Dec 11, 2022 0:42:56 GMT -5
GO METS
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Post by animaniac on Dec 11, 2022 9:19:19 GMT -5
I really didn't think we'd get Senga. Nice surprise to wake up too.
Really do need a few more pieces. A DH should probably be next followed by a middle reliever or two plus a bench outfielder.
The pressure is on. The money is being spent. As Al Davis said, "just win baby."
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 11, 2022 11:19:13 GMT -5
Senga opt out is after the 2025 season
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Post by Vampiro138 on Dec 11, 2022 16:56:26 GMT -5
Oh boy, Winter Meetings just ended and already the Cubs are starting the "Intelligent Spending" buzzword to justify them going cheap again this offseason. This is gonna be a fun one...cant wait to see the Cubs sign KC Hobson from the Chicago Dogs in Rosemont...
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 11, 2022 17:59:31 GMT -5
I really didn't think we'd get Senga. Nice surprise to wake up too. Really do need a few more pieces. A DH should probably be next followed by a middle reliever or two plus a bench outfielder. The pressure is on. The money is being spent. As Al Davis said, "just win baby." we have the DH,the Graceful Vogelbach is back......what why you laughing? |
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 11, 2022 18:03:24 GMT -5
Mets are going to pay out the ass this year. Like I said this is a 2 year window because even Cohen won't keep paying the amounts that he will have to Before the Senga deal they already had a payroll close $320M and a $335M luxury tax He's not going to cut spending that much. There'll be a season where they try to reset the luxury tax penalty, I'm sure, but for perspective, Cohen has spent about 2.8% of his net worth in contracts this offseason, which for him is like a person who makes $55,000 spending a bit over $1,500 on something...and yes, I saw someone calculate that out. This is nothing to him. That said, the plan with the pitching is very clear: short term deals, given that Verlander's here 2-3 years, Scherzer another 2, Carrasco's done after this year, Senga has the opt out in 3 years, Quintana's a 2 year deal, Robertson just 1 year for the pen, etc. Since the goal is to be "Dodgers East", they're going straight to the 2010s LA playbook and spending like mad now to cover for shortcomings in the farm system, all while hoarding picks (none of their signings have a compensation pick assigned to them, and they're getting bonus picks for losing deGrom and eventually Bassitt) and beefing up scouting, international scouting, and player development. Even this season there's likely a goal of getting to the point where Brett Baty and Francisco Alvarez are getting reps in the lineup while cheaper guys like Peterson and others angle to fill in for the bottom part of the rotation as needed, while making sure the arms they do have on the farm don't have any reason to be rushed. On the Nimmo issue...Brandon Nimmo is a friggin' All Star, dude. Elite OBP, high level defense at a premium position, with decent power, he routinely ranks very highly against other CFs around the league, and will easily slide over to a corner spot in a few years. Saying "how will they get any better" when they're coming off a 101 win season where only 6 of those wins came from one third of a season of deGrom is kind of ludicrous, even if it's true their level of play dipped during the final month. TL;DR, this is Steve Cohen right now. |
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Post by fw91 on Dec 11, 2022 22:46:41 GMT -5
On the Nimmo issue...Brandon Nimmo is a friggin' All Star, dude. Elite OBP, high level defense at a premium position, with decent power, he routinely ranks very highly against other CFs around the league, and will easily slide over to a corner spot in a few years. Saying "how will they get any better" when they're coming off a 101 win season where only 6 of those wins came from one third of a season of deGrom is kind of ludicrous, even if it's true their level of play dipped during the final month. TL;DR, this is Steve Cohen right now. just endulge me. Is Nimmo on the level of those current guys that Don mentioned on the video? He IS NOT A BUM, but he just reminds me of another Met folklore legend that really isn't. We paid him as such and I think that's a mistake. Cohen spending is an x-factor that moots my argument, I acknowledge that. But I don't think Mets can really get it done without an offense that brings serious punch with multiple outlets of power. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 11, 2022 22:56:45 GMT -5
The biggest knock against Nimmo is that he doesn't hit a lot of home runs. He does get a lot of doubles and triples, though and has a career average .385 OBP.
Granted, this is the first real year he's had an all-star quality season since like, 2018. He didn't play a whole lot of games in 2019 and 2021, and 2020 is a wash for about everyone given that weirdness.
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Post by Heart of fools gold on Dec 12, 2022 2:01:42 GMT -5
I'd say it's an overpay for Nimmo but honestly I've absolutely loved him since he came up. Dudes a spark plug always giving you 110% and sometimes you just need a guy like that in the line-up and clubhouse. And while I'm not a Mets fan I'm glad he's staying in Queens.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 12, 2022 12:11:04 GMT -5
The other thing for the Mets is they can project to have better power this year without really having to do a ton; it'd be nice to have more of a guarantee of it, mind, but they spent a good chunk of last season with absolute power vacuums at 3B (Escobar was likely nursing an injury through the first 2/3rds of the season), catcher (McCann fell off a cliff), and DH. This season they have what should be a healthy Escobar, who looked great in August-September, complimented by a strong prospect at 3B in Brett Baty, while Francisco Alvarez likely starts taking a lot of the ABs at catcher soon. They're kids, yes, but their power potential is much higher and lends to likely improvement in homer numbers. Same for DH: even if they stick with Vogelbach and add a so-so righty to be the short side of a platoon there or something, they likely see a noticeable power uptick from that spot.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 12, 2022 13:18:34 GMT -5
Sean Manea to Giants
2/$25M with An opt out next season
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Post by Renslayer on Dec 12, 2022 13:32:23 GMT -5
Are the padres that sick of tatis that they'd trade him?
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Post by BRV on Dec 12, 2022 13:46:06 GMT -5
Sean Manea to Giants 2/$25M with An opt out next season I love that contract for the Giants. It's relatively low-money compared to what other pitchers have received this off-season, it's low-risk with the opt-out after year one, and Manaea - with the exception of 2019 when he was rehabbing a shoulder injury - is a workhorse, consistently starting over 25 games per year. Are the padres that sick of tatis that they'd trade him? I don't blame them. When he plays, he's among the very best in the game, judging by his two top-four MVP finishes in his first three seasons in the bigs. But when he doesn't play, it's because of his own selfish dumbassery - multiple motorcycle accidents in a single off-season or testing positive for PEDs. If San Diego is looking to move on from him, he'll net a pretty penny as a five-tool stud in his mid-20s, but the team acquiring him also has to be cautious in what they're buying. |
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Post by horsemen4ever on Dec 12, 2022 14:17:35 GMT -5
Are the padres that sick of tatis that they'd trade him? I don't blame them. When he plays, he's among the very best in the game, judging by his two top-four MVP finishes in his first three seasons in the bigs. But when he doesn't play, it's because of his own selfish dumbassery - multiple motorcycle accidents in a single off-season or testing positive for PEDs. If San Diego is looking to move on from him, he'll net a pretty penny as a five-tool stud in his mid-20s, but the team acquiring him also has to be cautious in what they're buying. And of course Brian Cashman is going to be the idiot to take him off their hands, just like he did Donaldson last year. |
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Post by animaniac on Dec 12, 2022 17:03:16 GMT -5
Braves get Sean Murphy in a three team deal. William Contreras and others to the Brewers and the A's once again don't land a slam dunk prospect (Mueller is a good arm but has no command.)
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Post by fw91 on Dec 12, 2022 17:16:56 GMT -5
Braves get Sean Murphy in a three team deal. William Contreras and others to the Brewers and the A's once again don't land a slam dunk prospect (Mueller is a good arm but has no command.) I question why Murphy wasn't a bigger target this past trade deadline. Underrated player. Would have fit the Mets well down the stretch. Don't need him now with Alvarez looking to take him over, but with Oakland so far out of it last season, I'd figure it would have been a sensible trade |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 12, 2022 18:54:12 GMT -5
Braves get Sean Murphy in a three team deal. William Contreras and others to the Brewers and the A's once again don't land a slam dunk prospect (Mueller is a good arm but has no command.) I question why Murphy wasn't a bigger target this past trade deadline. Underrated player. Would have fit the Mets well down the stretch. Don't need him now with Alvarez looking to take him over, but with Oakland so far out of it last season, I'd figure it would have been a sensible trade Made no sense for Mets to waste assets when they have a Catcher of the future Only way you make that deal is if you trade Alvarez. Oakland had no real emergency to do a deal then hoping they can get more in the offseason with more teams involved. Of course that is always in theory but I am sure they figured they got best deal they could now |
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