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Post by fg on Nov 9, 2022 12:24:12 GMT -5
Let’s say after the MATCH BEYOND begins, would they start the elimination process?
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 9, 2022 13:26:00 GMT -5
Hopefully not, this match needs to end with bodies everywhere.
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Post by dbrussel on Nov 9, 2022 13:28:57 GMT -5
....nope. If you change the rules this will not be WarGames
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 9, 2022 13:35:24 GMT -5
....nope. If you change the rules this will not be WarGames This would be a significant change but they have already changed some of the original WarGames rules (allowing pin falls and not having a roof).
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 9, 2022 13:41:34 GMT -5
....nope. If you change the rules this will not be WarGames This would be a significant change but they have already changed some of the original WarGames rules (allowing pin falls and not having a roof). That's one of my nitpick of the WWE War Games. I know they put the rule of leaving equals to a forfeit but a cage with a rood adds to the danger
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 9, 2022 13:47:27 GMT -5
I kind of wish it would be elimination. Big matches that require most everybody to be knocked out for the finish to happen can get a little convoluted. Also if they put Wargames on a 2K game and it's not elimination, it's gonna be a pain in the butt to play and try to score a victory.
I also would like it to be elimination style to keep a bit of the traditional Survivor Series, since it doesn't seem like there'll be a traditional 5 vs 5 match, which is also a shame.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 9, 2022 14:26:46 GMT -5
Looks like someone's been playing WWE '12. Maybe we're going to get the long awaited debut of Jacob Cass who will be the guy to finally take down the Bloodline.
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Post by fw91 on Nov 9, 2022 21:56:57 GMT -5
Looks like someone's been playing WWE '12. Maybe we're going to get the long awaited debut of Jacob Cass who will be the guy to finally take down the Bloodline. he'll do it for Tony.
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 9, 2022 22:01:56 GMT -5
This would be a significant change but they have already changed some of the original WarGames rules (allowing pin falls and not having a roof). That's one of my nitpick of the WWE War Games. I know they put the rule of leaving equals to a forfeit but a cage with a rood adds to the danger By modern standards though, depending on the participants, it does limit things they can do. Like, some of Adam Cole's spots in past matches. Also if they do add back the roof, at least make it high enough to not only do those kind of spots for certain participants, but to make sure we don't have another Sid/Pillman spot.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 9, 2022 22:06:48 GMT -5
....nope. If you change the rules this will not be WarGames This would be a significant change but they have already changed some of the original WarGames rules (allowing pin falls and not having a roof). The first War Games match WWE ever put on had three teams, which is decidedly not War Games (though it was way better than 1998's three way War Games, though that wasn't exactly a huge feat).
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Post by fg on Nov 9, 2022 22:17:16 GMT -5
This would be a significant change but they have already changed some of the original WarGames rules (allowing pin falls and not having a roof). The first War Games match WWE ever put on had three teams, which is decidedly not War Games (though it was way better than 1998's three way War Games, though that wasn't exactly a huge feat). Gee, I wonder why? (Yes, I am joking.)
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 9, 2022 22:53:44 GMT -5
I'd guess not because it might make the booking tricky (or if they can resist the temptation to just have Bianca beat everyone again), but we shall see.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 10, 2022 2:40:40 GMT -5
One of the things I really like about War Games is that it ends up being 'reverse elimination. You get the staggering numbers advantages throughout and slowly accumulate your whole match, and I think it works best to have the actual finish be in the midst of chaos and big action. Every time the heels get advantage, you end up with that uneven setup already, focus that energy in to there instead. Doing it one way and then having it whittle back down in more sluggish and tired elimination doesn't actually seem as good as you'd think it would.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 10, 2022 3:46:32 GMT -5
One of the things I really like about War Games is that it ends up being 'reverse elimination. You get the staggering numbers advantages throughout and slowly accumulate your whole match, and I think it works best to have the actual finish be in the midst of chaos and big action. Every time the heels get advantage, you end up with that uneven setup already, focus that energy in to there instead. Doing it one way and then having it whittle back down in more sluggish and tired elimination doesn't actually seem as good as you'd think it would.
Good point. Something I find interesting about NXT's versions is the first two women's matches don't follow the conventional structure, but still work. The first has a standard approach before Dakota's turn on Tegan leaves the faces stuck with a 4-on-2 disadvantage, but they still do a great job of making their win feel believable. (The closing sequence has Io taking out Bianca as well as Candice with her moonsault off the cage, KLR getting taken out with a garbage can lid, and Shayna falling victim to her own trick of handcuffing herself to Rhea). The second unusually has the faces with the numbers advantage, but also presents them as at times too eager to bring in weapons, and at others unable to handle Raquel balancing out the numbers herself.
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Post by repomark on Nov 10, 2022 8:02:33 GMT -5
I like the idea of it being elimination.
I never really liked the original war games concept in truth, simply because the whole match effectively doesn’t matter until the match beyond begins. At least if there are eliminations throughout it gives the whole match meaning.
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 10, 2022 9:12:37 GMT -5
One of the things I really like about War Games is that it ends up being 'reverse elimination. You get the staggering numbers advantages throughout and slowly accumulate your whole match, and I think it works best to have the actual finish be in the midst of chaos and big action. Every time the heels get advantage, you end up with that uneven setup already, focus that energy in to there instead. Doing it one way and then having it whittle back down in more sluggish and tired elimination doesn't actually seem as good as you'd think it would. Excellent summary. No better way to see this in action is the 1st War Games in Atlanta, where that crowd is molten already and WrestleWar '92 as it builds as the crowd gets hotter and hotter(shout out when Ricky Steamboat gets in).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 9:18:29 GMT -5
I hope not because IMO it would just be a case of trying to fix something that is not broken.
Elimination means you take alot of interesting pieces off the board in fairly quick intervals because if you either have very little or wait untill the end sequence to start eliminating people well then it becomes a situation of why even do it in the first place.
And then there is the issue of who would you eliminate and when because again you are potentially removing the most interesting people in said match and you lose out on alot of interesting story beats etc.
There is just too much hassle to bother making wargames elimination style IMO.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 10, 2022 11:20:03 GMT -5
I’d prefer they add two traditional Survivor Series matches to the show in addition to War Games.
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Post by fg on Nov 10, 2022 11:52:48 GMT -5
I’d prefer they add two traditional Survivor Series matches to the show in addition to War Games. Sounds good.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 10, 2022 14:23:36 GMT -5
One of the things I really like about War Games is that it ends up being 'reverse elimination. You get the staggering numbers advantages throughout and slowly accumulate your whole match, and I think it works best to have the actual finish be in the midst of chaos and big action. Every time the heels get advantage, you end up with that uneven setup already, focus that energy in to there instead. Doing it one way and then having it whittle back down in more sluggish and tired elimination doesn't actually seem as good as you'd think it would. Good point. Something I find interesting about NXT's versions is the first two women's matches don't follow the conventional structure, but still work. The first has a standard approach before Dakota's turn on Tegan leaves the faces stuck with a 4-on-2 disadvantage, but they still do a great job of making their win feel believable. (The closing sequence has Io taking out Bianca as well as Candice with her moonsault off the cage, KLR getting taken out with a garbage can lid, and Shayna falling victim to her own trick of handcuffing herself to Rhea). The second unusually has the faces with the numbers advantage, but also presents them as at times too eager to bring in weapons, and at others unable to handle Raquel balancing out the numbers herself.
Last years women's had the faces with the advantage as well leading to a weird dynamic with Toxic Attraction having to play catch up the whole match. They had Cora "injure" her shoulder during the match to negate the edge the faces had. However even that didn't happen until pretty late in the match so you still had strange stuff like KLR and Cora beating the crap out of Dakota Kai two on one and Gigi Dolin then coming in and making a babyface esque comeback.....for the heel team.. It is interesting though how they always go for outside the box approaches with the women while they do it straight forward and by the book with the men. O wpnder if it's going to be that way this year as well.
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