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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 14, 2022 9:17:01 GMT -5
I think the only trapt song I like is headstrong and that was mostly because of almost every AMV from 00s uses that song. it was alos like the ONLY song in Heroes of Wrestling... Showdown I Want to say. Legends of Wrestling 2. Headstrong and Superstar by Saliva was all I remember them having. I had a way too long ladder match with Andre and I heard those songs so many times I wanted to smash the TV.
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Post by poodoojenkins on Nov 14, 2022 9:54:53 GMT -5
if I want to hear rants about 'separating art from artist' I'd rather hear it in defense of better art than the band that put out Walk. Not to argue anything else you said, but this part is condescending as f***. Especially when referencing a band who had a man who is widely recognized as one of the greatest guitar players of all time, not to mention that the band as a whole is regarded as one of the most important and influential metal bands ever. Dislike Phil all you want, god knows there seem to be plenty of reasons, but don't downplay what this band has meant to both their fans and music in general.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 14, 2022 10:45:19 GMT -5
if I want to hear rants about 'separating art from artist' I'd rather hear it in defense of better art than the band that put out Walk. Not to argue anything else you said, but this part is condescending as f***. Especially when referencing a band who had a man who is widely recognized as one of the greatest guitar players of all time, not to mention that the band as a whole is regarded as one of the most important and influential metal bands ever. Dislike Phil all you want, god knows there seem to be plenty of reasons, but don't downplay what this band has meant to both their fans and music in general. Their music can mean lots to a lot of people and I can still think they blow goats. I don't like Pantera, I don't particularly care about hearing people try to defend a band I don't like, I don't think that's condescending. Talking about some real serious matters right now, focusing on an offhand cheap dig seems a bit myopic.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 14, 2022 11:21:42 GMT -5
HHH should keep going full force with Control Your Narrative hires. Grab EC3 back, maybe sign Flip Gordon. Just run the gauntlet on mediocre pieces of shit. At the moment, no way should WWE touch EC3 with a bargepole. Dude looks as roided out as Test did in 2007, and you can't put him on HDTV. I thought this said HGTV and I pictured him chillin with the property brothers.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 14, 2022 12:03:22 GMT -5
if I want to hear rants about 'separating art from artist' I'd rather hear it in defense of better art than the band that put out Walk. Not to argue anything else you said, but this part is condescending as f***. Especially when referencing a band who had a man who is widely recognized as one of the greatest guitar players of all time, not to mention that the band as a whole is regarded as one of the most important and influential metal bands ever. Dislike Phil all you want, god knows there seem to be plenty of reasons, but don't downplay what this band has meant to both their fans and music in general. I will stop bagging on Pantera on the condition that you quote the person who bagged on Pantera, which wasn't me but they helpfully replied to you already
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Nov 14, 2022 13:32:36 GMT -5
Pantera were a good band, until Phil joined and they quit being a Glam band.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 14, 2022 13:33:39 GMT -5
Pantera were a good band, until Phil joined and they quit being a Glam band. Just jumping in front of that bus for Moth, eh
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 14, 2022 13:43:20 GMT -5
Pantera were a good band, until Phil joined and they quit being a Glam band. Thank you for pushing me out of the way, I will forever honour your sacrifice
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Post by SneakMan on Nov 14, 2022 13:47:53 GMT -5
On the subject of Pantera, if Erik is anything like his wife, "walk on home, boy" is probably what he told Swerve upon the latter's release.
(sorry, I tried)
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Nov 14, 2022 14:44:21 GMT -5
I still have a soft spot for Pantera, even though Anselmo's a f***ing idiot.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 14, 2022 17:02:01 GMT -5
I still have a soft spot for Pantera, even though Anselmo's a f***ing idiot. I bet Anselmo drinks his own beer warm.
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Post by poodoojenkins on Nov 14, 2022 18:01:07 GMT -5
Not to argue anything else you said, but this part is condescending as f***. Especially when referencing a band who had a man who is widely recognized as one of the greatest guitar players of all time, not to mention that the band as a whole is regarded as one of the most important and influential metal bands ever. Dislike Phil all you want, god knows there seem to be plenty of reasons, but don't downplay what this band has meant to both their fans and music in general. Their music can mean lots to a lot of people and I can still think they blow goats. I don't like Pantera, I don't particularly care about hearing people try to defend a band I don't like, I don't think that's condescending. Talking about some real serious matters right now, focusing on an offhand cheap dig seems a bit myopic. Dislike them all you want, I don't care about that part at all. I like them, but they probably don't even crack my top 25 bands. It's a little bit of a dick move to completely write them off like they're nobodies with idiots for fans just because you don't like them, though, which is how your quote came off to me. That's all I'm saying. If I'm wrong, apologies. Sometimes it's hard to tell via text.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on Nov 14, 2022 18:11:43 GMT -5
Damn it, Pantera, this beer is warm! Get me another one!
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 14, 2022 21:14:32 GMT -5
So looking them up again just now is how I found out the 2 living members of Pantera reunited for a show next month for some reason
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 14, 2022 21:34:29 GMT -5
This makes me feel that I should really take a closer look at the metal bands I enjoy. Thankfully I'm not really familiar with the few examples thrown out here and the people who have put me onto various bands are definitely not the white supremacist type. Still, I should probably do some homework. The fact that that's necessary makes me a bit sad. It sucks a lot! For what it's worth though depending on the genres of metal you're into it may be way less of an issue; black metal, folk metal, and anything with a pagan sheen are places you gotta be kinda wary about, which is kinda where a lot of the focus gets pulled in here given Sarah Logan's whole viking thing. Obviously any musical genre is gonna run the risk of there being creepoids and racists around and plenty of whom don't even really let their music show that fact, but metal, like punk before it, definitely has its share of contention. It's not as widespread as some would lead you to believe. It's definitely there but these days there's nobody prominent in the BM scene with Nazi views. It's basically a small niche within a niche. Most if not all the bands playing these white supremacist fests are mostly nobodies in the larger scene. If anything most of the really big newer black metal bands have an openly left wing/environmentalist slant. It's also a scene that has a habit of throwing around Nazi accusations that are often baseless or at the very most a real stretch.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Nov 14, 2022 23:35:40 GMT -5
So looking them up again just now is how I found out the 2 living members of Pantera reunited for a show next month for some reason Phil has his own damn (relatively successful) projects, so there's no reason to do this other than a cash-in. He somehow got Zakk Wylde and Charlie Benante involved too.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Nov 14, 2022 23:42:49 GMT -5
It sucks a lot! For what it's worth though depending on the genres of metal you're into it may be way less of an issue; black metal, folk metal, and anything with a pagan sheen are places you gotta be kinda wary about, which is kinda where a lot of the focus gets pulled in here given Sarah Logan's whole viking thing. Obviously any musical genre is gonna run the risk of there being creepoids and racists around and plenty of whom don't even really let their music show that fact, but metal, like punk before it, definitely has its share of contention. It's not as widespread as some would lead you to believe. It's definitely there but these days there's nobody prominent in the BM scene with Nazi views. It's basically a small niche within a niche. Most if not all the bands playing these white supremacist fests are mostly nobodies in the larger scene. If anything most of the really big newer black metal bands have an openly left wing/environmentalist slant. It's also a scene that has a habit of throwing around Nazi accusations that are often baseless or at the very most a real stretch. The only major ones that there's concern with these days would be Drudkh because some of their members actually had/have a NSBM-associated side project and have dedicated at least one of their albums to a WWII Ukranian ultranationalist/fascist. Though given they declared their distance from those views when they signed to Season Of Mist (which won't put up with bullshit) and given that that side project is on another label that's no friend of NSBM, it's a murky situation with them. There's other well-known names that pop up as well but Drudkh is the one that comes to mind first for me.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 15, 2022 0:26:00 GMT -5
It sucks a lot! For what it's worth though depending on the genres of metal you're into it may be way less of an issue; black metal, folk metal, and anything with a pagan sheen are places you gotta be kinda wary about, which is kinda where a lot of the focus gets pulled in here given Sarah Logan's whole viking thing. Obviously any musical genre is gonna run the risk of there being creepoids and racists around and plenty of whom don't even really let their music show that fact, but metal, like punk before it, definitely has its share of contention. It's not as widespread as some would lead you to believe. It's definitely there but these days there's nobody prominent in the BM scene with Nazi views. It's basically a small niche within a niche. Most if not all the bands playing these white supremacist fests are mostly nobodies in the larger scene. If anything most of the really big newer black metal bands have an openly left wing/environmentalist slant. It's also a scene that has a habit of throwing around Nazi accusations that are often baseless or at the very most a real stretch. It's a much improved situation now, for sure, but I'm speaking very broadly due to how many metalheads tend to stretch back on the classics. A lot of it's informed by my own experiences in the late '00s finding crusty Blogger sites full of album downloads where you'd have a good time listening to some early '90s obscure stuff and trip over the phrase 'blood and soil'. The scene has defintiely changed and in a massively positive way, but it feels like navigating a minefield sometimes.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Nov 15, 2022 0:31:28 GMT -5
What an interesting turn this thread took.
It's like Scrum Jr. in here.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Nov 15, 2022 0:49:28 GMT -5
It's not as widespread as some would lead you to believe. It's definitely there but these days there's nobody prominent in the BM scene with Nazi views. It's basically a small niche within a niche. Most if not all the bands playing these white supremacist fests are mostly nobodies in the larger scene. If anything most of the really big newer black metal bands have an openly left wing/environmentalist slant. It's also a scene that has a habit of throwing around Nazi accusations that are often baseless or at the very most a real stretch. It's a much improved situation now, for sure, but I'm speaking very broadly due to how many metalheads tend to stretch back on the classics. A lot of it's informed by my own experiences in the late '00s finding crusty Blogger sites full of album downloads where you'd have a good time listening to some early '90s obscure stuff and trip over the phrase 'blood and soil'. The scene has defintiely changed and in a massively positive way, but it feels like navigating a minefield sometimes. Helps to know which record labels are good too. Most of the major ones (Century Media, Nuclear Blast, Season Of Mist, Relapse, Prosthetic, Metal Blade, and Peaceville for starters) avoid those kinds of bands like the plague 99 times out of 100. So if a black metal band is on one of those you're usually safe. Hell's Headbangers is very questionable due to some of the smaller labels they distribute, and Nuclear War Now! is a damn minefield (and their owner is not only shady but friends with some very notorious NSBM heads). Surprisingly, Candlelight, which is a very anti-NSBM label, actually distributed Burzum so I have no idea what the hell was going on there.
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