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Post by The Gallus Mark on Nov 27, 2022 2:03:21 GMT -5
Holy shit, that was some Grade A storytelling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 2:04:09 GMT -5
Anyone ever hear old stories of territories, specifically about The Sheik pretty much killing Detroit because he was the boring invincible heel who NEVER lost, come hell or high water?
Well, WWE's too big to fail and all that, but that's how I feel about the Reigns... Reign. It was a fine match, but the stories coming out of and leading into the matches are just putrid to me.
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Toates Madhackrviper
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Nov 27, 2022 2:10:53 GMT -5
Anyone ever hear old stories of territories, specifically about The Sheik pretty much killing Detroit because he was the boring invincible heel who NEVER lost, come hell or high water? Well, WWE's too big to fail and all that, but that's how I feel about the Reigns... Reign. It was a fine match, but the stories coming out of and leading into the matches are just putrid to me. Its objectively not "killing the territory" though because the audience is audibly into the whole thing. Like it can be "killing the territory" for you, but the thing about wrestling is audience reaction isn't really speculative like it is with other TV shows. You can hear how the fans feel. That doesn't change how you personally feel and I don't expect it to, but implying that this storyline is bad for business doesn't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 2:13:28 GMT -5
Anyone ever hear old stories of territories, specifically about The Sheik pretty much killing Detroit because he was the boring invincible heel who NEVER lost, come hell or high water? Well, WWE's too big to fail and all that, but that's how I feel about the Reigns... Reign. It was a fine match, but the stories coming out of and leading into the matches are just putrid to me. Its objectively not "killing the territory" though because the audience is audibly into the whole thing. Like it can be "killing the territory" for you, but the thing about wrestling is audience reaction isn't really speculative like it is with other TV shows. You can hear how the fans feel. That doesn't change how you personally feel and I don't expect it to, but implying that this storyline is bad for business doesn't make sense.
I mean, everything related to wrestling is subjective when it comes to the booking and how you feel about it.
I'm just... so tired of Roman. Do I only speak for myself? Of course. That should go without saying.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 27, 2022 2:18:41 GMT -5
Its objectively not "killing the territory" though because the audience is audibly into the whole thing. Like it can be "killing the territory" for you, but the thing about wrestling is audience reaction isn't really speculative like it is with other TV shows. You can hear how the fans feel. That doesn't change how you personally feel and I don't expect it to, but implying that this storyline is bad for business doesn't make sense. I mean, everything related to wrestling is objective when it comes to the booking and how you feel about it.
I'm just... so tired of Roman. Do I only speak for myself? Of course. That should go without saying.
Subjective you mean. That’s what comes in with opinion. Objectively you can’t say the Bloodline stuff is killing the territory because they’re still selling out shows and selling merchandise and getting huge reactions week to week. If it’s doing that to YOU personally. Fine. But don’t make sweeping comparisons other things when there’s no evidence of that happening. The only time I ever get heated talking about the Bloodline stuff is when people say that the story and act would be just as hot with any other wrestler if they were pushed that hard. PLEASE, do tell me how Roderick Strong would’ve done in Roman’s position. Im sure itd be just as successful.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 27, 2022 2:26:08 GMT -5
They are big time over and the audience is willing to play along for the ride
They are where they want it to be so they have that going for them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 2:27:08 GMT -5
I mean, everything related to wrestling is objective when it comes to the booking and how you feel about it.
I'm just... so tired of Roman. Do I only speak for myself? Of course. That should go without saying.
Subjective you mean. That’s what comes in with opinion. Objectively you can’t say the Bloodline stuff is killing the territory because they’re still selling out shows and selling merchandise and getting huge reactions week to week. If it’s doing that to YOU personally. Fine. But don’t make sweeping comparisons other things when there’s no evidence of that happening. The only time I ever get heated talking about the Bloodline stuff is when people say that the story and act would be just as hot with any other wrestler if they were pushed that hard. PLEASE, do tell me how Roderick Strong would’ve done in Roman’s position. Im sure itd be just as successful. Okay, okay... I committed a malapropism on accident, and I'm legit sorry for that. I am burnt out on Roman Reigns. He was, and is, a cool heel. The title reign has gone on too long for my tastes.
This is just an opinion of mine and is in no way reflective of the WWE Universe, the actual universe, any of the galaxies contained therein, and especially not FAN itself.
Better?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 27, 2022 2:38:34 GMT -5
I still fully believe that the faces should never have the man advantage and this didn't dissuade me from that.
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Post by Chiral on Nov 27, 2022 2:39:55 GMT -5
I will say this Bloodline cool heel business running infinite years is doing serious damage to the coveted Chiral demographic and they better watch out in that aspect
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 27, 2022 2:43:26 GMT -5
To tell the truth I feel like the continual looming presence of the Bloodline over everything is the only reason I even bother with making any attempt to keep up with AEW at this point. Like I'd probably be all-WWE even with its multitude of other faults if not for how at any point things might go to shit from Roman and friends showing up and other people besides them are never allowed to win titles or main event PPVs.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 27, 2022 2:53:47 GMT -5
I still fully believe that the faces should never have the man advantage and this didn't dissuade me from that. The match was bizarre in that the Bloodline being disadvantaged really only mattered when Jey Uso was having to go it alone for the first few minutes until Roman ordered Sami to go in second. Then every other interval was treated like if the Bloodline had the advantage the whole time.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 27, 2022 2:59:50 GMT -5
I will say this Bloodline cool heel business running infinite years is doing serious damage to the coveted Chiral demographic and they better watch out in that aspect Struggling to reach those pre-pandemic ratings highs of... 1.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Nov 27, 2022 3:05:49 GMT -5
The crucial thing was, Sami could have pinned KO himself and gotten the glory, but he gave that to Jey.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Nov 27, 2022 3:11:02 GMT -5
The crucial thing was, Sami could have pinned KO himself and gotten the glory, but he gave that to Jey. Perfect way to end it in my opinion.
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Post by 4real on Nov 27, 2022 5:53:05 GMT -5
Man what a match and that ending had me so invested. Booked to perfection. Getting Sami & KO back together is now going to be interesting to see how they get to that.
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Post by mrtuesday on Nov 27, 2022 6:26:30 GMT -5
In their efforts to make people buy Roman as a top guy, they effectively turned everyone else into chumps. So Roman has finally become the new Cena after all.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 27, 2022 7:03:30 GMT -5
I don't really watch WWE anymore other than the occasional PPV (excuse me, Premium Live Event) so maybe it's because they're not overexposed for me but I'm still really enjoying the Bloodline thing.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 27, 2022 7:19:51 GMT -5
Yeah if Roman walks out Mania as Champ, I'll eat shit and say they messed up. I get that people are annoyed by it and just want it over with. I'm like that right now with Bianca & Bron's title reigns but ending them with the wrong people be a waste. I know a lot of people wanted Drew to win at Clash, but to me that would be like trading all your assets in the NBA to build a 46 win regular season team. Like Congrats you made the playoffs, now go get bounced in the first round to the Warriors and be stuck with Julius Randle and Zach Lavine on max contracts. If anybody but those two beat Roman it would feel like a waste of 2+ years(just like if anybody but Rhea or Melo beat Bianca or Bron). Drew having his big moment that he worked years for in front of a "hometown" crowd of tens of thousands would not have been a waste in the slightest, and we could have had a few great title matches with Drew instead of him being stuck with Ol' Dead Meat in a heatless feud.
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Post by Killah Ray on Nov 27, 2022 8:41:32 GMT -5
There’s gonna be a lot of people looking back in hindsight naming this one of the greatest storylines of all time.
Just all of the mannerisms fit perfectly in the match and that payoff is gonna be other worldly.
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Post by lmagicdancer1 on Nov 27, 2022 8:47:47 GMT -5
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