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Post by RI Richmark on Nov 27, 2022 18:40:39 GMT -5
Well a few days ago the Baseball Hall of Fame announced it's ballot for this year's Hall of Fame. And 9nce again it's time to have our say
Last year we elected 3 players to the Hall, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and David Ortiz. Sadly only Big Papi made it to the actual Hall and since Bonds and Clemens (along with Curt Schilling) exhausted their eligibility for the first time since we started voting they won't appear on the ballot.
Unlike the actual Hall of Fame vote a player only needs 70% of all votes for induction. All other rules remain the same as the rules for the BBWAA. You can vote for up to 10 of the players listed here. If for some reason you don't think any of the players are worthy then there is a blank ballot option but if you click it you can't vote for anybody else.
Voting will close and the winners will be announced on Jan 1, 2023 a couple of weeks before the Hall of Fame announces it's results. Have fun and good luck to all the nominees.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 27, 2022 19:41:27 GMT -5
Billy Wagner: One of the best closers ever, insane K/9, consistently great, productive late into his career.
Scott Rolen: The best all-around 3B I'd seen until Arenado and Machado. Chipper was a much better hitter, but nowhere near the glove.
Todd Helton: Even with the park, Helton was still one of the best all-around 1st basemen of my time. 3 Gold Gloves, was an above-average fielder for many other years. Hit for average. Hit for power. Definitely could have had more All-Star appearances if not for the steroid era. You could make an argument for him being the better of the two between him and Larry Walker, and he's already in.
Andruw Jones: Best fielding center fielder I've seen, and probably the best since Mays/Clemente. Which is saying something being that Bernie/Edmonds were no slouches defensively. Griffey either. Lot of power, lot of longevity. 400+ HRs, almost 1300 RBI.
And if they put Papi in, I have a hard time not putting A-Rod in.
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Post by 6pathsoftommy on Nov 28, 2022 11:08:55 GMT -5
I voted for: Carlos Beltran Todd Helton Andruw Jones Jeff Kent Manny Ramirez Alex Rodriguez Scott Rolen Gary Sheffield Billy Wagner
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 29, 2022 15:30:38 GMT -5
Random Andruw Jones story:
I ended up spending a couple days with him in Curaçao. Not like actually friends, but we were at the same resort and would hang out at the same beach bar. It was often just the two of us and the dude at the grill. Dude was chill and and super nice. Zero arrogance. I'd vote for him in the Hall of Fame even if he was a shit player lol
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Post by BRV on Dec 1, 2022 12:42:29 GMT -5
Here are my five inductees and the reasoning behind each selection.
- Carlos Beltran: He was, by all indications, a ringleader of the Astros' sign-stealing scandal, arguably baseball's biggest on-field scandal since the "Black Sox," but I've always been of the mindset that if a player belongs in the Hall of Fame for their on-field merits, then they're a Hall of Famer on the first ballot, and punishing them by making them wait a few years is just childish. Beltran's career was marked by incredible longevity, winning Rookie of the Year in the 1990s, being a five-time All-Star and multiple-time MVP candidate in the 2000s, and earning four more All-Star selections in the 2010s. He was a true five-tool player until injuries started wearing on him in his 30s, and his performance in the 2004 postseason is still the stuff of legends. Want to put a note on his plaque for his role in aiding the Astros' cheating? Be my guest. But don't ignore that he was one of the best overall players in the game for a solid decade-plus.
- Todd Helton: He may have had the benefit of the Mile High air of Coors Field for the duration of his career, but Helton raked wherever he played. He hit .300 or better 12 times in his 17-year career, including a .372 season in 2000 when it seemed entirely plausible that he’d flirt with .400. Even though he had the thin air of Denver to his advantage, he wasn’t just a power hitter, hitting 30 or more home runs six times. He could seemingly put the ball anywhere on the field at a whim, making it look effortless at times. While he never won an MVP award and was largely overshadowed in the National League by the likes of Barry Bonds and Albert Pujols, he has five All-Stars and three Gold Gloves on his resume.
- Andruw Jones: He probably won’t ever get into Cooperstown, but man does he deserve it. Probably the best defensive centerfielder of his era right alongside Jim Edmonds, Jones won 10 consecutive Gold Gloves patrolling center for the Braves. Jones deserves recognition for his defensive acumen alone, but it’s his bat that puts him over the top as an inductee for me. His 434 home runs are eye-popping numbers for a guy best regarded for his defense.
- Manny Ramirez: An admittedly biased pick given my allegiances, but Manny Ramirez's credentials are impossibly to deny. He was a weapon in the batter's box, making hitting look effortless. A career .312 hitter with 555 home runs, he will face the wrath of voters because of his links to performance-enhancers but you could tell with his beautiful, natural swing that he was just made for baseball. He would have been a .300 hitter even if he didn't juice, as he and Albert Pujols were nos. 1 and 1a as the best right-handed hitters of their era.
- Alex Rodriguez: It's a tough call, because I've refused to vote for players like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, and Gary Sheffield, and they don't carry nearly the scarlet letter that A-Rod carries. He's an ADMITTED steroid user who missed an entire season of play because of his role in the Biogenesis scandal. But, like Barry Bonds, Rodriguez's talent alone made his career Hall of Fame worthy before the steroid use began in 2001. He was a five-tool weapon when he was in Seattle, a legitimate heir apparent to Ken Griffey Jr.'s throne in the Emerald City. There's a reason he earned that 10-year, $252 million contract from the Rangers, which was absolutely eye-popping when he signed it. I have no choice but to hold my nose and cast a ballot for A-Rod.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 16:09:50 GMT -5
I voted for Wagner, Helton, Beltran, Andruw Jones, and A-Rod. I'm 50/50 on Manny Ramirez.
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Post by Heart of fools gold on Dec 1, 2022 19:03:58 GMT -5
I'd vote for
Andy pettitte Alex Rodriguez Manny Ramirez Gary Sheffield Billy Wagner Carlos Beltran Todd Helton Andruw Jones
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 1, 2022 20:58:01 GMT -5
Beltran, Helton, Kent, Rodriguez, Wagner
50-50 on Manny only cause he was dumb enough to get caught twice on paper on top of being on the list. Like I don't hold the steroid era really against players but he was a full blown idiot to get popped twice after the fact
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Post by sfvega on Dec 1, 2022 21:12:48 GMT -5
I think people are sleeping on Rolen. He was at 62% last year, no PED suspicions.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 30, 2022 20:46:59 GMT -5
Just bumping this up to remind people that the vote ends and the results will be revealed this Sunday at 5:00 EST. So if you haven't voted yet now's the time.
As of this post there have been 97 votes from 19 voters which averages out to a little over 5 votes per person. Currently it would take 14 votes to reach the 70% threshold for induction.
And for those wondering who I voted for:
Carlos Beltran Manny Ramirez Alex Rodriguez Billy Wagner
Good luck to all the nominees.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 31, 2022 23:10:50 GMT -5
Manny Ramirez Alex Rodriguez Billy Wagner.
For some reason I’m not sold on Beltrán as a HOF’er. Nothing to do with the scandal.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 1, 2023 17:32:48 GMT -5
Well the results are in. This ballot had no clear standouts and that was reflected in the voting as 21 players got at least 1 vote but sadly no one got the 70% needed for induction.
With 21 voters a player needed 15 votes (actually 14.7) to reach the 70% threshold. Billy Wagner came the closest, falling 1 vote short with 14 (67%). Todd Helton and Andruw Jones got 13 votes (62%) while Alex Rodriguez got 12 (57%). Nobody else got 50% of the votes. Hopefully the inductees will have better luck when the actual HOF votes in a few weeks.
Thank you to everybody who voted. See you again next year.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 1, 2023 18:01:28 GMT -5
The Breakdown:
Billy Wagner 14 Votes 66.7% Todd Helton 13 Votes 61.9% Andruw Jones 13 Votes 61.9% Alex Rodriguez 12 Votes 57.1% Manny Ramirez 9 Votes 42.9% Carlos Beltran 8 Votes 38.1% Andy Pettitte 7 Votes 33.3% Gary Sheffield 7 Votes 33.3% Scott Rolen 6 Votes 28.6% Mark Buehrle 3 Votes 14.3% Torii Hunter 3 Votes 14.3% Jeff Kent 3 Votes 14.3% Omar Vizquel 3 Votes 14.3% Jayson Werth 3 Votes 14.3% Francisco Rodriguez 2 Votes 9.5% Jimmy Rollins 2 Votes 9.5% ---------------------------------------- Bobby Abreu 1 Vote 4.8% Andre Ethier 1 Vote 4.8% J. J. Hardy 1 Vote 4.8% Mike Napoli 1 Vote 4.8% Jared Weaver 1 Vote 4.8% Bronson Arroyo 0 Votes 0% Matt Cain 0 Votes 0% R. A. Dicky 0 Votes 0% Jacoby Ellsbury 0 Votes 0% John Lackey 0 Votes 0% Johnny Peralta 0 Votes 0% Huston Street 0 Votes 0%
NOTE: Any player earning less than 5% is dropped from the ballot.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 2, 2023 13:42:43 GMT -5
Well the results are in. This ballot had no clear standouts and that was reflected in the voting as 21 players got at least 1 vote but sadly no one got the 70% needed for induction. With 21 voters a player needed 15 votes (actually 14.7) to reach the 70% threshold. Billy Wagner came the closest, falling 1 vote short with 14 (67%). Todd Helton and Andruw Jones got 13 votes (62%) while Alex Rodriguez got 12 (57%). Nobody else got 50% of the votes. Hopefully the inductees will have better luck when the actual HOF votes in a few weeks. Thank you to everybody who voted. See you again next year. We have become the very thing we swore to destroy.
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