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Post by SirLucas on Nov 29, 2022 16:34:05 GMT -5
Ronda is world known as a legit UFC shoot fighter who can tear other women apart in less than a minute. Because of who she is, it really difficult to suspend disbelief that maybe of these WWE females like Liv Morgan, who have no MMA fighting background, can have competitive wrestling matches with her. I felt like she should have been booked more dominate like Brock Lesnar from the time she entered WWE. That one PPV match she had with Ruby Riot, where he wiped her out within seconds is how she should have been booked more often. But at the same time, I understand there's the risk of having her look two powerful, and subsequently burning through the entire women's roster.
And then we go to Survivor Series, where Ronda needed outside help to defeat Shotzi, who up until this point has been positioned as a lower tier wrestler who got a lucky title opportunity. Her greatest strength is her greatest flaw when he comes to professional wrestling. She's a household name because of how tough she is in real life, but she can't be that same person in the scripted sports world.
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Post by saneiac on Nov 29, 2022 16:41:40 GMT -5
She didn't really NEED the outside help, though. She got outside help because she's a heel and heels cheat, but there was nothing to indicate that Shotzi would have won if Shayna wasn't there.
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Post by sportatorium on Nov 29, 2022 17:01:23 GMT -5
She behaves better as a heel, but her wrestling would make more sense as a face. The only way I'm buying that Liv & Shotzi can get offense on her is if she makes a mistake or they cheat. She's insanely generous with opponents giving them shine & selling and it just doesn't seem plausible.
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Post by XIII on Nov 29, 2022 17:08:32 GMT -5
I don’t really understand how it’s not plausible that other pro wrestlers can’t hang with Ronda in a pro wrestling setting. We all know that Brock could destroy anyone on the roster in a shootfight but he sells like a champ and gives a ton of offense to his opponents. If they didn’t give anything or constantly had to be beat via cheating it would be supremely boring.
This is the same show with a dude having a feud with a figment of his imagination, a zombie mortician that’s one of the most respected wrestlers ever, and a 5’3” luchador that can beat anyone on the roster among other things over the years after all. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 29, 2022 17:34:37 GMT -5
I don’t really understand how it’s not plausible that other pro wrestlers can’t hang with Ronda in a pro wrestling setting. We all know that Brock could destroy anyone on the roster in a shootfight but he sells like a champ and gives a ton of offense to his opponents. If they didn’t give anything or constantly had to be beat via cheating it would be supremely boring. This is the same show with a dude having a feud with a figment of his imagination, a zombie mortician that’s one of the most respected wrestlers ever, and a 5’3” luchador that can beat anyone on the roster among other things over the years after all. 🤷🏻♂️ The only way that it doesn't make sense is if you privilege MMA over wrestling and decide "no since that's real, anything done to her is fake and therefore not believable". Ronda's in an entirely different world and ruleset, and her skills do benefit her here, but that doesn't mean she's not absolutely dealing with other styles and having trouble. Especially when her striking was garbage and she got dropped in very short order in her last two fights. If someone's not credible because of how they're booked, sure, but I don't see why anyone needs to have MMA training to beat a mixed martial artist in pro wrestling. Ronda's not doing MMA. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 29, 2022 17:45:23 GMT -5
The problem with Ronda Rousey’s booking is that she gave public credence to conspiracy theories saying that school shootings are faked.
Hang on, I got some wires crossed here…
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Post by lockedontarget on Nov 29, 2022 22:11:27 GMT -5
I don’t understand why so many wrestling fans want to have the official kayfabe stance be “MMA fighters are stronger than pro wrestlers”.
Like, within kayfabe, being a WWE wrestler should be a badge of honor. By saying that the MMA people should just come in and kill your wrestlers just projects the image of your “superstars” actually not being anything special at all.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 29, 2022 22:25:56 GMT -5
Especially when it’s blindingly obvious when watching Ronda wrestle his limited she is.
Brock at least is a physical freak of nature.
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Post by chazraps on Nov 29, 2022 22:54:50 GMT -5
I'm reminded of Norm Macdonald's Lyle Lovett/Julia Roberts joke.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Nov 29, 2022 22:57:28 GMT -5
Especially when it’s blindingly obvious when watching Ronda wrestle his limited she is. Brock at least is a physical freak of nature. AND Brock was a freak of nature in wrestling before the MMA stuff. |
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Nov 29, 2022 23:10:43 GMT -5
I've watched Golden Gloves Marc Mero's tragic Brawl 4 All fight with JBL enough times to where I have no trouble believing that someone with significant combat sports training could very well lose to someone that doesn't.
Dude landed like no punches and was literally raging by the end looking like he wanted to angry cry because dude had just gotten thoroughly wrestlef***ed by a giant football ogre with zero training in anything fighty.
Also if MMA is presented way above everyone else then you end up in a world where Bobby Fish wins the AEW title and feuds with Jake Hagar.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 30, 2022 0:29:38 GMT -5
I've watched Golden Gloves Marc Mero's tragic Brawl 4 All fight with JBL enough times to where I have no trouble believing that someone with significant combat sports training could very well lose to someone that doesn't. Dude landed like no punches and was literally raging by the end looking like he wanted to angry cry because dude had just gotten thoroughly wrestlef***ed by a giant football ogre with zero training in anything fighty. Also if MMA is presented way above everyone else then you end up in a world where Bobby Fish wins the AEW title and feuds with Jake Hagar. You have a very good point and all but please let's not lionize JBL in doing so. When it comes to Jibbles Brawl for All exploits all I want to be reminded of is Bart Gunn knocking him the hell out. Also to quote the late great Bobby "The Brain" Heenan everyone knows Golden Gloves is just "amateur punk stuff". |
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Nov 30, 2022 0:37:28 GMT -5
I've watched Golden Gloves Marc Mero's tragic Brawl 4 All fight with JBL enough times to where I have no trouble believing that someone with significant combat sports training could very well lose to someone that doesn't. Dude landed like no punches and was literally raging by the end looking like he wanted to angry cry because dude had just gotten thoroughly wrestlef***ed by a giant football ogre with zero training in anything fighty. Also if MMA is presented way above everyone else then you end up in a world where Bobby Fish wins the AEW title and feuds with Jake Hagar. You have a very good point and all but please let's not lionize JBL in doing so. When it comes to Jibbles Brawl for All exploits all I want to be reminded of is Bart Gunn knocking him the hell out. Also to quote the late great Bobby "The Brain" Heenan everyone knows Golden Gloves is just "amateur punk stuff". Trust me, I'm not trying to big up JBL in any way, it just was what it was. Mero faced Steve Blackman in the first round and Blackman essentially taught everyone how to beat dude cause he just zerg rushed him with takedowns the whole time, then Mero got a second chance cause Dan Severn pulled out and oh god oh no it's happening again. Sidenote, JBL vs. Mero is one of the most hilariously awful fights in the whole tournament for crowd reactions. They are PISSED to be watching it and then even more pissed when one more round is needed. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 30, 2022 0:58:58 GMT -5
You have a very good point and all but please let's not lionize JBL in doing so. When it comes to Jibbles Brawl for All exploits all I want to be reminded of is Bart Gunn knocking him the hell out. Also to quote the late great Bobby "The Brain" Heenan everyone knows Golden Gloves is just "amateur punk stuff". Trust me, I'm not trying to big up JBL in any way, it just was what it was. Mero faced Steve Blackman in the first round and Blackman essentially taught everyone how to beat dude cause he just zerg rushed him with takedowns the whole time, then Mero got a second chance cause Dan Severn pulled out and oh god oh no it's happening again. Sidenote, JBL vs. Mero is one of the most hilariously awful fights in the whole tournament for crowd reactions. They are PISSED to be watching it and then even more pissed when one more round is needed. Not making excuses for Mero as JBL got the better of him straight up and won fair and square. However at the same time it was a very unfair fight in JBL had about a half a foot and probably about fifty pounds on him. I don't care how tough you are when someone has that much of a reach advantage and that much of a weight advantage it's super tough. That's why they have weight classes in boxing and MMA or any professional fight. A match up like that would never happen. If Blackman didn't get pulled I think he would've won. I'm sure he would've handled JBL easily going by that shoot fight they had in the airport. Probably would've beat Bart too. I could see the Godfather maybe giving him some problems due to the size and reach advantage and while he didn't have as much skills as Blackman he seemed to have a lot more then JBL. However he didn't take it seriously which according to him is why Bart knocked him out too as he was smoking weed before fight although that could be him making excuses. He beat 2 Cold Scorpio in the round before and even he said it completely unfair due to the size difference which goes back to what I was saying about Mero and Bradshaw. |
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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 4, 2022 0:08:44 GMT -5
I still like her and marked out when she came back at the Rumble but this run has been really lackluster. Maybe a feud with Becky will reinvigorate her which is what I expect she's headed towards for WrestleMania.
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