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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 2, 2022 12:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 2, 2022 12:18:50 GMT -5
For all the shit people are giving him now, this is the type of stuff Punk was raising red flags about as soon as WWE Network came into the picture. Not shocked. Hopefully they're getting a fair shake in the actual contracts, but...
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 2, 2022 12:22:04 GMT -5
For all the shit people are giving him now, this is the type of stuff Punk was raising red flags about as soon as WWE Network came into the picture. Not shocked. Hopefully they're getting a fair shake in the actual contracts, but... Awhile back when house shows were in bad shape it was said there was talk about mostly scrapping them. To make up the income to the wrestlers there would be higher base contracts but no extra pay for TV, PLE, or any house shows they still did. |
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Post by XIII on Dec 2, 2022 12:24:04 GMT -5
I feel like the main reason that people were going to Saudi was because of the insane bonuses, so that’ll be interesting.
This doesn’t sound great.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Dec 2, 2022 12:29:05 GMT -5
So here's the exact Meltzer radio quote(s)
“When you’re in WWE now, basically, you’re making… you sign a contract for a million dollars, just say. You’re making a million dollars.
“There’s not a Saudi bonus, there’s not a pay-per-view bonus. There might be if you’re Roman Reigns… the super merch sale guys probably would get more, but most of the guys that’s not the case.
“Most people are making what their contract says right now.”
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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 2, 2022 12:35:47 GMT -5
I can see Lesnar storming into Nick Khan's office saying where's my bonus and F5'ing him thru his desk.
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Post by cjh on Dec 2, 2022 12:35:52 GMT -5
Nick Khan mentioned awhile back that WWE wrestlers now make flat salaries instead of their pay being determined by how many tickets were sold or how many people bought the show. A wrestler's merchandise money is now the only revenue source that goes up or down from check to check.
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Post by coleslaw on Dec 2, 2022 12:53:29 GMT -5
No bonus for the Saudi shows is...certainly a choice
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Dec 2, 2022 13:13:27 GMT -5
I can see Lesnar storming into Nick Khan's office saying where's my bonus and F5'ing him thru his desk. I hope so. If Lesnar gets pissed and starts living the gimmick, then I feel safe to say that everyone will be getting those bonuses simply out of fear. |
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Post by XIII on Dec 2, 2022 13:19:21 GMT -5
Lol Brock will definitely still get bonuses. Probably all of the top level people will, as usual it’s the mid to low card that will suffer.
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Post by floundertime on Dec 2, 2022 13:48:26 GMT -5
Hear me out, but having a guaranteed salary is probably a better thing. When it was ppv and now ple, it's like how do you determine the bonus? Hearing Bruce and JR talk about how it's done, there was really no science to it. Plus with no bonus, no one gets pissed about the amount of the bonus. If you feel like you deserve 30k for a bonus and it's 10k, you'd probably be pissed. Now you have the guaranteed money, you know what it's going to be every time.
At the end of the day and if you've had a management position, it's about managing expectations. If you set the right expectations there's less surprises and better employee satisfaction. Uncertainty can create issues and that's not a good thing.
All of this said, they should still give them some Saudi money.
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Post by Perd on Dec 2, 2022 13:56:22 GMT -5
"Yes, it’s true. Going forward, there will be no more PLE bonuses. But don’t worry. We think we’ve come up with a make-good that you’ll all be excited about. Onc a month, for each brand, we will throw a pizza and ice cream partyl"
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 2, 2022 14:09:00 GMT -5
I can see Lesnar storming into Nick Khan's office saying where's my bonus and F5'ing him thru his desk. 'Brock, we're no longer doing bonuses, but we're paying you millions of dollars for a set number of matches and appearances regardless of match length and the level of effort you choose to put in, with merchandise and videogame royalties on top and all expenses like transport and accommodation taken care of.' 'Okay, when does my first cheque arrive?' Brock's all about the money, this isn't going to affect him so he won't care. He isn't going to stick his neck out for the rest of the roster. |
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Dec 2, 2022 14:21:34 GMT -5
I think those on the roster who want to make money in other endeavors need to be very suspicious when it comes to WWE's next moves. This is just the first step.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 2, 2022 14:22:58 GMT -5
Hear me out, but having a guaranteed salary is probably a better thing. When it was ppv and now ple, it's like how do you determine the bonus? Hearing Bruce and JR talk about how it's done, there was really no science to it. Plus with no bonus, no one gets pissed about the amount of the bonus. If you feel like you deserve 30k for a bonus and it's 10k, you'd probably be pissed. Now you have the guaranteed money, you know what it's going to be every time. At the end of the day and if you've had a management position, it's about managing expectations. If you set the right expectations there's less surprises and better employee satisfaction. Uncertainty can create issues and that's not a good thing. All of this said, they should still give them some Saudi money. The average person is probably better off but it does pose an interesting question for folks who outperform their contract. In a world where there aren't lots of bonuses, someone who signs an entry five year contract and becomes a main event level star in two years is at that point greatly outperforming their contract. In the 2000s, you would probably get greater payouts as you get higher up the card since you're more responsible for PPVs and gates. Jericho mentioned how he (eventually) got a giant payout from working the main event of Mania which is something he wouldn't have gotten if he was working the opening match. This is the type of position MJF allegedly found himself in earlier this year in AEW. Now the solution is they just give you a new contract to reflect your new spot and worth but that's certainly not something that can just be expected. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 2, 2022 14:24:35 GMT -5
This feels like it would screw over main eventers more than mid carders. They're the ones that would be on all the big shows and selling the most tickets/PPV buys.
From hearing various people over the years like Jericho and JR discussing PPV payoffs it wasn't unusual to get like a 6 figure bonus for main eventing a PPV. Now times that by 6-12 times a year if you're a big star always in high profile matches. That's a lot of money to be missing out on unless they added an extra couple million onto your regular yearly pay.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 2, 2022 14:28:53 GMT -5
The only way this is fair is if they're compensated with more money in their downside. But given that there's no collective bargaining agreement or anything, I doubt it's the case. Or even if there is, it doesn't come close to what they made with the bonuses.
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Post by mistery on Dec 2, 2022 15:19:12 GMT -5
The only way this is fair is if they're compensated with more money in their downside. But given that there's no collective bargaining agreement or anything, I doubt it's the case. Or even if there is, it doesn't come close to what they made with the bonuses. Apparently most contracts are now higher value compared to even 5 years ago. The only talent who aren't paid as much are those in NXT on developmental deals. And that's mainly because A) Their reach is minimal, and B) WWE covers all of their travel expenses and transportation to non-Florida shows (and they still cover all travel expenses to the Florida house shows). |
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 2, 2022 16:05:16 GMT -5
Huh, and here I thought performing in a country that is one of the worst human rights violators in the world and having to act like everything is cool because money was the bonus.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 2, 2022 16:14:08 GMT -5
"Yes, it’s true. Going forward, there will be no more PLE bonuses. But don’t worry. We think we’ve come up with a make-good that you’ll all be excited about. Onc a month, for each brand, we will throw a pizza and ice cream partyl" "We all have to make sacrifices" |
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