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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Dec 2, 2022 16:40:50 GMT -5
Huh, and here I thought performing in a country that is one of the worst human rights violators in the world and having to act like everything is cool because money was the bonus. Hey don't talk about Americ...oh Saudi Arabia!
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 2, 2022 16:40:52 GMT -5
I'm sure I remember Hogan complaining about "only" getting around a $250,000 bonus for his Summerslam 2006 match with Orton.
He had gotten used to his ridiculous WCW contract with Bischoff/Turner paying him that for just working a Nitro match. He was getting $675,000 for his PPV matches then even on top of that he would get a large chunk of the gate.
When you hear them talked about it mostly seems to be about late 90s/early 2000s. Were they still a thing late into the Cena era before the network came around? Do NJPW/AEW/Impact have PPV/big show bonuses? I've always been fascinated how you would even work it out. Like sometimes the main event isn't necessarily the biggest draw. Is it just bosses discretion who gets the biggest bonus or would there be some kind of mathematical system in place?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 2, 2022 17:47:32 GMT -5
I think those on the roster who want to make money in other endeavors need to be very suspicious when it comes to WWE's next moves. This is just the first step. Scarily this is maybe like the third step. The twitch and Cameo stuff was the real start to it, in particular news that Xavier's G1 hosting paycheck was being counted against his downside. Subsidizing the company's need to pay you for your work with your other work because anything you do with your face, because they own your face now, has to go through the office. WWE is determining peoples' worth and then making sure they never make a single cent above that.
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Post by cjh on Dec 2, 2022 17:56:25 GMT -5
I'm sure I remember Hogan complaining about "only" getting around a $250,000 bonus for his Summerslam 2006 match with Orton. He had gotten used to his ridiculous WCW contract with Bischoff/Turner paying him that for just working a Nitro match. He was getting $675,000 for his PPV matches then even on top of that he would get a large chunk of the gate. When you hear them talked about it mostly seems to be about late 90s/early 2000s. Were they still a thing late into the Cena era before the network came around? Do NJPW/AEW/Impact have PPV/big show bonuses? I've always been fascinated how you would even work it out. Like sometimes the main event isn't necessarily the biggest draw. Is it just bosses discretion who gets the biggest bonus or would there be some kind of mathematical system in place? Yes. For PPVs, there was a payday based on the ticket sales, then another one months later once WWE got their share of the PPV revenue from the cable companies.
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Post by XIII on Dec 2, 2022 17:59:05 GMT -5
I think those on the roster who want to make money in other endeavors need to be very suspicious when it comes to WWE's next moves. This is just the first step. Scarily this is maybe like the third step. The twitch and Cameo stuff was the real start to it, in particular news that Xavier's G1 hosting paycheck was being counted against his downside. Subsidizing the company's need to pay you for your work with your other work because anything you do with your face, because they own your face now, has to go through the office. WWE is determining peoples' worth and then making sure they never make a single cent above that. Wait….that’s still going on? I thought that they walked it back when everyone got pissed.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 2, 2022 18:06:08 GMT -5
Scarily this is maybe like the third step. The twitch and Cameo stuff was the real start to it, in particular news that Xavier's G1 hosting paycheck was being counted against his downside. Subsidizing the company's need to pay you for your work with your other work because anything you do with your face, because they own your face now, has to go through the office. WWE is determining peoples' worth and then making sure they never make a single cent above that. Wait….that’s still going on? I thought that they walked it back when everyone got pissed. If they were I must have missed it, but if so, good. I'd still absolutely take the fact they tried to do it as a big trust issue for management, but it's good if they've cut that shit out because that was ugly.
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Post by XIII on Dec 2, 2022 18:08:59 GMT -5
Wait….that’s still going on? I thought that they walked it back when everyone got pissed. If they were I must have missed it, but if so, good. I'd still absolutely take the fact they tried to do it as a big trust issue for management, but it's good if they've cut that shit out because that was ugly. I honestly don’t know if they did or not. Someone else will have to confirm.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 2, 2022 18:20:17 GMT -5
If they continue to make the Saudi shows optional for wrestlers and stop the bonuses for going, it'll be interesting to see how many decide to go.
Actually, are they still optional? Or are they treated like other shows now and if you're booked, you're going?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 2, 2022 19:16:53 GMT -5
If they continue to make the Saudi shows optional for wrestlers and stop the bonuses for going, it'll be interesting to see how many decide to go. Actually, are they still optional? Or are they treated like other shows now and if you're booked, you're going? Believe they’re still optional for everyone but certain people, like Sami Zayn.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 2, 2022 23:28:33 GMT -5
This isn’t a new policy, it’s the way they’ve been structuring contracts in recent years. Meltzer’s discussed it many times. They’ve moved further away from bonuses and being paid per show and more towards higher guarantees.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 2, 2022 23:55:28 GMT -5
"Yes, it’s true. Going forward, there will be no more PLE bonuses. But don’t worry. We think we’ve come up with a make-good that you’ll all be excited about. Onc a month, for each brand, we will throw a pizza and ice cream partyl" "We all have to make sacrifices" “We’re a family!”
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 3, 2022 2:42:26 GMT -5
If they continue to make the Saudi shows optional for wrestlers and stop the bonuses for going, it'll be interesting to see how many decide to go. Actually, are they still optional? Or are they treated like other shows now and if you're booked, you're going? Believe they’re still optional for everyone but certain people, like Sami Zayn. Are they optional for everyone except Zayn etc or are they “””””optional”””””?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 3, 2022 3:47:44 GMT -5
Believe they’re still optional for everyone but certain people, like Sami Zayn. Are they optional for everyone except Zayn etc or are they “””””optional”””””? Based on RVD’s experience with the Tribute for the Troops shows they are “”””optional””””
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Post by thehottag on Dec 3, 2022 4:06:08 GMT -5
I'm sure I remember Hogan complaining about "only" getting around a $250,000 bonus for his Summerslam 2006 match with Orton. IIRC the whole situation with Hogan was odd. WWE initially wanted Orton to go over as part of his legend killer schtick, but Hogan pulled his usual 'that doesn't work for me, brother'. WWE refused to back down, so Hogan faked a back injury to get out of the match. WWE then still refused to back down, & actually put a statement on their website saying the match was off due to Hogan's injury. Eventually Hogan got his wish, the match was back on, but WWE put it third on the card (despite it being the most hyped match on the show) so they could pay Hogan a lower PPV bonus as punishment for playing politics.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 3, 2022 4:10:40 GMT -5
"Yes, it’s true. Going forward, there will be no more PLE bonuses. But don’t worry. We think we’ve come up with a make-good that you’ll all be excited about. Onc a month, for each brand, we will throw a pizza and ice cream partyl" What kind of ice cream? Scarily this is maybe like the third step. The twitch and Cameo stuff was the real start to it, in particular news that Xavier's G1 hosting paycheck was being counted against his downside. Subsidizing the company's need to pay you for your work with your other work because anything you do with your face, because they own your face now, has to go through the office. WWE is determining peoples' worth and then making sure they never make a single cent above that. Wait….that’s still going on? I thought that they walked it back when everyone got pissed. The 3rd party ban seems to have at the very least been massively relaxed. Woods has streamed with the other members of DaParty, and will be doing it again. If the ban was around, I don't think WWE would like him working with people from the competition. Dakota and Mia just streamed on Twitch for a BRE reunion. Shayna and Mia have also been regulars in Duke's streams. Mandy Rose shills stuff on Instagram and has a donut business with Sonya. Maxxine Dupri shills clothes on Instagram.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 3, 2022 4:11:56 GMT -5
I'm sure I remember Hogan complaining about "only" getting around a $250,000 bonus for his Summerslam 2006 match with Orton. IIRC the whole situation with Hogan was odd. WWE initially wanted Orton to go over as part of his legend killer schtick, but Hogan pulled his usual 'that doesn't work for me, brother'. WWE refused to back down, so Hogan faked a back injury to get out of the match. WWE then still refused to back down, & actually put a statement on their website saying the match was off due to Hogan's injury. Eventually Hogan got his wish, the match was back on, but WWE put it third on the card (despite it being the most hyped match on the show) so they could pay Hogan a lower PPV bonus as punishment for playing politics. In Hogan's defense (Not something I like typing, don't get me wrong), he probably still had bad blood over the Lesnar match, where he was under the impression he'd get his revenge for Lesnar completely squashing him. He never got it, so to him, it was probably not the most enticing thing, jobbing to the next next big thing. He still should have done it, as his in-ring years were damn near over, but he probably had himself convinced otherwise.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 4, 2022 9:21:16 GMT -5
"We'd like you to take a long ass flight to a highly restrictive country so you can be part of a show put on for the benefit of a despotic regime. No, we aren't going to pay you extra."
If the talent is making more guaranteed money and they're happy with that arrangement, good for them. But if I wasn't being paid more for more travel and time away from home, I certainly wouldn't be volunteering for any of it.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 4, 2022 10:22:04 GMT -5
Believe they’re still optional for everyone but certain people, like Sami Zayn. Are they optional for everyone except Zayn etc or are they “””””optional”””””? They are optional but also not related its is also optional for WWE to keep you hired. Totally not related tho.
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