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Post by flowercity on Jan 3, 2023 23:48:41 GMT -5
Damn wonder how this messes up the ongoing legal situation!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 4, 2023 0:10:34 GMT -5
Man is literally going "You need me" after committing assault and I'm not gonna say he's like a domestic abuser for this because I've lived that shit and it's a lot worse than all of this, like. Come on. Say what you will about the match in Chicago, but the dudes got their jokes out of their system and it's been silence since. This is the opposite of that. I feel like it's kind of odd that he's bringing all of this stuff up now, like, if there was some NDA or something holding him up, fair enough, but even then, why is THIS the way you're deciding to go about things? You wanted to be the bigger man, didn't you? You wanted what The Elite was doing to be considered petty, right? Well good news, you've absurdly sunk to their supposed level by throwing out YOUTUBE VIEWS to try and prove a point, and that's not even mentioning the "Duh" comment about how everyone "Needs to apologize" but you don't look like you're in any hurry to apologize for literally anything you did. Taking out the Bucks entirely, to Cabana, his mother, MJF, Tony Khan and the entirety of AEW for what you did, that was completely and totally your fault, because you used a man at the scrum to springboard into a Cabana rant unprovoked, and on camera you are caught getting okie doked because the guy never knew Colt and never asked a f***ing question about Colt, YOU DID.So yeah, this gets him nowhere, it just makes him look even worse, and any moral high ground people I feel could drum up for him is losing its edge the more he does this.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 4, 2023 0:13:21 GMT -5
Damn wonder how this messes up the ongoing legal situation! Just because CM Punk is vagueposting on social media doesn't mean Tony wasn't told by his lawyers to just shut up about it. Those are two separate things. In fact, there could easily be situations where Tony has advised legal restraints while CM Punk, not fearing shit or particularly caring, is going off cowboy because he's CM Punk. You've brought this up before but I really don't think this has the correlation you think it does.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 4, 2023 0:23:40 GMT -5
Man is literally going "You need me" after committing assault and I'm not gonna say he's like a domestic abuser for this because I've lived that shit and it's a lot worse than all of this, like. Come on. Say what you will about the match in Chicago, but the dudes got their jokes out of their system and it's been silence since. This is the opposite of that. I feel like it's kind of odd that he's bringing all of this stuff up now, like, if there was some NDA or something holding him up, fair enough, but even then, why is THIS the way you're deciding to go about things? You wanted to be the bigger man, didn't you? You wanted what The Elite was doing to be considered petty, right? Well good news, you've absurdly sunk to their supposed level by throwing out YOUTUBE VIEWS to try and prove a point, and that's not even mentioning the "Duh" comment about how everyone "Needs to apologize" but you don't look like you're in any hurry to apologize for literally anything you did. Taking out the Bucks entirely, to Cabana, his mother, MJF, Tony Khan and the entirety of AEW for what you did, that was completely and totally your fault, because you used a man at the scrum to springboard into a Cabana rant unprovoked, and on camera you are caught getting okie doked because the guy never knew Colt and never asked a f***ing question about Colt, YOU DID.So yeah, this gets him nowhere, it just makes him look even worse, and any moral high ground people I feel could drum up for him is losing its edge the more he does this. I don’t think he gives a shit, I think this is his way of telling everyone he’s bigger than AEW (which is his opinion)
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Post by flowercity on Jan 4, 2023 0:32:32 GMT -5
Damn wonder how this messes up the ongoing legal situation! Just because CM Punk is vagueposting on social media doesn't mean Tony wasn't told by his lawyers to just shut up about it. Those are two separate things. In fact, there could easily be situations where Tony has advised legal restraints while CM Punk, not fearing shit or particularly caring, is going off cowboy because he's CM Punk. You've brought this up before but I really don't think this has the correlation you think it does. Seems like a lot of hemming and hawing when the actual answer is probably explained by occam’s razor.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 4, 2023 0:59:21 GMT -5
Just because CM Punk is vagueposting on social media doesn't mean Tony wasn't told by his lawyers to just shut up about it. Those are two separate things. In fact, there could easily be situations where Tony has advised legal restraints while CM Punk, not fearing shit or particularly caring, is going off cowboy because he's CM Punk. You've brought this up before but I really don't think this has the correlation you think it does. Seems like a lot of hemming and hawing when the actual answer is probably explained by occam’s razor. How is the simplest explanation not that lawyers told Tony "Hey just like, don't talk about this on podcasts" while the guy with nothing much left to lose and a noted attitude doesn't give a shit?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 4, 2023 2:04:44 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of hemming and hawing when the actual answer is probably explained by occam’s razor. How is the simplest explanation not that lawyers told Tony "Hey just like, don't talk about this on podcasts" while the guy with nothing much left to lose and a noted attitude doesn't give a shit? Like…dude’s family is rich. Telling him to shut up about it for the most part feels like the way most people around him would go about protecting his, and their own, relations to that money and their jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 2:56:05 GMT -5
we could be talking about how one of the jackson brothers looked spooky with his wack ass beard but now we gotta chit chat about punk again
I just wanted to dunk on this man’s facial hair and it was taken from me, oh the misery
unless this dude is coming back to try to work some angle go away man
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 4, 2023 3:07:26 GMT -5
How is the simplest explanation not that lawyers told Tony "Hey just like, don't talk about this on podcasts" while the guy with nothing much left to lose and a noted attitude doesn't give a shit? Like…dude’s family is rich. Telling him to shut up about it for the most part feels like the way most people around him would go about protecting his, and their own, relations to that money and their jobs. I don't even need lawyers to know that this situation is a mess that I probably shouldn't go blabbing live on air to Ariel Helwani about. Can't imagine how much harder and more intense that insight is when I'm surrounded by lawyers and other wealthy people with lawyers.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 4, 2023 7:34:34 GMT -5
If I was Khan I'd never talk about any of this. If pressed, I'd just give a vague "We took the best course of action for all involved." Don't get dragged into petty this side/that side nonsense. We all dragged Khan mercilessly for how he handed the Big Swole situation and that wasn't half as messy as this one. I hope he's learned his lesson and keeps his mouth shut about everything.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 4, 2023 7:57:40 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of hemming and hawing when the actual answer is probably explained by occam’s razor. How is the simplest explanation not that lawyers told Tony "Hey just like, don't talk about this on podcasts" while the guy with nothing much left to lose and a noted attitude doesn't give a shit? The simplest explanation is that there was never any lawsuit. You think these supposed lawyers are telling Tony himself not to talk about it but are cool with Dax giving that podcast? Remember, TK has to approve all the media his talent does. It was an issue with MJF when he went in Helwani. Also we think Punk, who was as tight lipped as could be while in a legal situation with WWE suddenly doesn’t care and is being reckless? Surely none of us believe Punk just started to be a pompous narcissist. There was never any lawsuit. It was just a carny line used so he could skate by. It literally makes no sense what this legal situation could even be once the Bucks came back. They were the ones attacked for pete’s sake.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 4, 2023 8:00:05 GMT -5
I haven't listened to it myself but Khan apparently mentioned something in the Grapsody interview last year? Does anyone know what he said about it?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 4, 2023 8:13:03 GMT -5
Whether or not Khan has any kind of legal reason not to get into it, he also probably doesn't want to feed Punk on this, both because it'll encourage him to escalate, and because Khan presumably wants to court other acts in the future, and doesn't want to look vindictive to prospective employees.
Like, he looked bad enough when he lashed out at Big Swole in a shitty way. Yeah, it was a bit rich for her to shit on the company and then get surprised when he did that, but it was still petty and small of a dude who is supposed to be the boss and who should have just kept his mouth shut there. He does not need to add to it.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 4, 2023 8:20:46 GMT -5
Whether or not Khan has any kind of legal reason not to get into it, he also probably doesn't want to feed Punk on this, both because it'll encourage him to escalate, and because Khan presumably wants to court other acts in the future, and doesn't want to look vindictive to prospective employees. Like, he looked bad enough when he lashed out at Big Swole in a shitty way. Yeah, it was a bit rich for her to shit on the company and then get surprised when he did that, but it was still petty and small of a dude who is supposed to be the boss and who should have just kept his mouth shut there. He does not need to add to it. Dont we think this would die down a lot quicker if Khan just shut this all down saying Punk would not return? I agree with you he shouldn’t be an ass like he was with Swole but until we have an answer the speculation and rumors will keep swirling.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 4, 2023 8:24:10 GMT -5
Whether or not Khan has any kind of legal reason not to get into it, he also probably doesn't want to feed Punk on this, both because it'll encourage him to escalate, and because Khan presumably wants to court other acts in the future, and doesn't want to look vindictive to prospective employees. Like, he looked bad enough when he lashed out at Big Swole in a shitty way. Yeah, it was a bit rich for her to shit on the company and then get surprised when he did that, but it was still petty and small of a dude who is supposed to be the boss and who should have just kept his mouth shut there. He does not need to add to it. Dont we think this would die down a lot quicker if Khan just shut this all down saying Punk would not return? I agree with you he shouldn’t be an ass like he was with Swole but until we have an answer the speculation and rumors will keep swirling. I mean, he also runs sports teams and it's not usually great in both footballs if a team owner goes "Yeah, this guy's a piece of shit and we're not having him back again". So honestly, he's better off not saying anything until he's gone ala Ronaldo with Man United.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 4, 2023 8:37:43 GMT -5
Dont we think this would die down a lot quicker if Khan just shut this all down saying Punk would not return? I agree with you he shouldn’t be an ass like he was with Swole but until we have an answer the speculation and rumors will keep swirling. I mean, he also runs sports teams and it's not usually great in both footballs if a team owner goes "Yeah, this guy's a piece of shit and we're not having him back again". So honestly, he's better off not saying anything until he's gone ala Ronaldo with Man United. Why is this a binary situation? Why does he have to say he’s an asshole? Is simply saying CM Punk is not returning to AEW worse for locker room morale than whatever is happening now?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 4, 2023 8:43:36 GMT -5
I mean, he also runs sports teams and it's not usually great in both footballs if a team owner goes "Yeah, this guy's a piece of shit and we're not having him back again". So honestly, he's better off not saying anything until he's gone ala Ronaldo with Man United. Why is this a binary situation? Why does he have to say he’s an asshole? Is simply saying CM Punk is not returning to AEW worse for locker room morale than whatever is happening now? I mean, I wasn't saying he'd say that and I'm sure you know that's not what I meant. I'm more saying as someone experienced in other locker rooms, stuff like this is dealt better internally for the most part. Again, Ronaldo/Man United is a go to example because saying anything as a company, or representing a company, would give said person fuel to say more. And, frankly, it's CM Punk. He's doing all this without the company saying anything. The last thing you need to do is to give him actual fuel to say more.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 4, 2023 9:14:43 GMT -5
How is the simplest explanation not that lawyers told Tony "Hey just like, don't talk about this on podcasts" while the guy with nothing much left to lose and a noted attitude doesn't give a shit? The simplest explanation is that there was never any lawsuit. You think these supposed lawyers are telling Tony himself not to talk about it but are cool with Dax giving that podcast? Remember, TK has to approve all the media his talent does. It was an issue with MJF when he went in Helwani. Also we think Punk, who was as tight lipped as could be while in a legal situation with WWE suddenly doesn’t care and is being reckless? Surely none of us believe Punk just started to be a pompous narcissist. There was never any lawsuit. It was just a carny line used so he could skate by. It literally makes no sense what this legal situation could even be once the Bucks came back. They were the ones attacked for pete’s sake. Oh, I see. You thought this had to be fake because the only conception of an 'ongoing legal situation' you could come up with was a lawsuit? Because nobody ever said lawsuit. There have been people who specifically said it's a surprise no lawsuit ever came out of this, but there absolutely does not have to be a lawsuit for there to be an ongoing legal situation. For one, there was a legal investigation into the meltdown and the fight, which is why a lot of people sat home for a long time and even why it took so long for Ace Steel to get fired. There's also the fact that Punk still has an AEW contract and that is very much an 'ongoing legal situation'. One where anything Tony says on the issue coudl well have ramifications for any of a number of things or open himself up to future lawsuits. That's also where everything is one-sided. Punk isn't presently pursuing legal action and is free to make all the dumb Instagram posts he wants to because none of them impact any claim he could one day make in court if legal issues do arise. Tony, as the boss, does not have that luxury. Nobody has said there's a lawsuit or is trying to claim one happened, that's just you misunderstanding. And beyond that, yes, I do think lawyers telling Tony not to talk are completely apathetic to FTR Bald's podcast. That's because FTR Bald is not the owner and president of the company. His views on the situation do not have any bearing on the outcome of any future issues, and he is neither a participant nor a firsthand witness. The two situations don't really have anything to do with one another, similar to how Tony can have lots of legal liabiltiy behind his words but CM Punk just going "duh" on an Instagram post has no impact on the world and is a bad comparison to make.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 4, 2023 9:23:49 GMT -5
The simplest explanation is that there was never any lawsuit. You think these supposed lawyers are telling Tony himself not to talk about it but are cool with Dax giving that podcast? Remember, TK has to approve all the media his talent does. It was an issue with MJF when he went in Helwani. Also we think Punk, who was as tight lipped as could be while in a legal situation with WWE suddenly doesn’t care and is being reckless? Surely none of us believe Punk just started to be a pompous narcissist. There was never any lawsuit. It was just a carny line used so he could skate by. It literally makes no sense what this legal situation could even be once the Bucks came back. They were the ones attacked for pete’s sake. Oh, I see. You thought this had to be fake because the only conception of an 'ongoing legal situation' you could come up with was a lawsuit? Because nobody ever said lawsuit. There have been people who specifically said it's a surprise no lawsuit ever came out of this, but there absolutely does not have to be a lawsuit for there to be an ongoing legal situation. For one, there was a legal investigation into the meltdown and the fight, which is why a lot of people sat home for a long time and even why it took so long for Ace Steel to get fired. There's also the fact that Punk still has an AEW contract and that is very much an 'ongoing legal situation'. One where anything Tony says on the issue coudl well have ramifications for any of a number of things or open himself up to future lawsuits. That's also where everything is one-sided. Punk isn't presently pursuing legal action and is free to make all the dumb Instagram posts he wants to because none of them impact any claim he could one day make in court if legal issues do arise. Tony, as the boss, does not have that luxury. Nobody has said there's a lawsuit or is trying to claim one happened, that's just you misunderstanding. And beyond that, yes, I do think lawyers telling Tony not to talk are completely apathetic to FTR Bald's podcast. That's because FTR Bald is not the owner and president of the company. His views on the situation do not have any bearing on the outcome of any future issues, and he is neither a participant nor a firsthand witness. The two situations don't really have anything to do with one another, similar to how Tony can have lots of legal liabiltiy behind his words but CM Punk just going "duh" on an Instagram post has no impact on the world and is a bad comparison to make. And to add as well, he can't exactly say "Well, Punk's not coming back" because he is a businessman and can recognize his value and would still like to find a way to have everyone on the same side because he's still under contract. If he wasn't under contract, who cares? He'd be gone and they can move on but until he's released (after getting doctor's approval that he's recovered from injury because, like, that sets up its own can of worms) or his contract expires, this is the situation Khan is in. It's not likely to happen that way, obviously, you can't have your top talents not want the guy around and expect that guy to be back somehow, but it's not 0%.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 4, 2023 10:04:10 GMT -5
The simplest explanation is that there was never any lawsuit. You think these supposed lawyers are telling Tony himself not to talk about it but are cool with Dax giving that podcast? Remember, TK has to approve all the media his talent does. It was an issue with MJF when he went in Helwani. Also we think Punk, who was as tight lipped as could be while in a legal situation with WWE suddenly doesn’t care and is being reckless? Surely none of us believe Punk just started to be a pompous narcissist. There was never any lawsuit. It was just a carny line used so he could skate by. It literally makes no sense what this legal situation could even be once the Bucks came back. They were the ones attacked for pete’s sake. Oh, I see. You thought this had to be fake because the only conception of an 'ongoing legal situation' you could come up with was a lawsuit? Because nobody ever said lawsuit. There have been people who specifically said it's a surprise no lawsuit ever came out of this, but there absolutely does not have to be a lawsuit for there to be an ongoing legal situation. For one, there was a legal investigation into the meltdown and the fight, which is why a lot of people sat home for a long time and even why it took so long for Ace Steel to get fired. There's also the fact that Punk still has an AEW contract and that is very much an 'ongoing legal situation'. One where anything Tony says on the issue coudl well have ramifications for any of a number of things or open himself up to future lawsuits. That's also where everything is one-sided. Punk isn't presently pursuing legal action and is free to make all the dumb Instagram posts he wants to because none of them impact any claim he could one day make in court if legal issues do arise. Tony, as the boss, does not have that luxury. Nobody has said there's a lawsuit or is trying to claim one happened, that's just you misunderstanding. And beyond that, yes, I do think lawyers telling Tony not to talk are completely apathetic to FTR Bald's podcast. That's because FTR Bald is not the owner and president of the company. His views on the situation do not have any bearing on the outcome of any future issues, and he is neither a participant nor a firsthand witness. The two situations don't really have anything to do with one another, similar to how Tony can have lots of legal liabiltiy behind his words but CM Punk just going "duh" on an Instagram post has no impact on the world and is a bad comparison to make. Sure thing. That long explanation is way more realistic than no legal situation. You’re right.
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