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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 4, 2023 10:57:09 GMT -5
Oh, I see. You thought this had to be fake because the only conception of an 'ongoing legal situation' you could come up with was a lawsuit? Because nobody ever said lawsuit. There have been people who specifically said it's a surprise no lawsuit ever came out of this, but there absolutely does not have to be a lawsuit for there to be an ongoing legal situation. For one, there was a legal investigation into the meltdown and the fight, which is why a lot of people sat home for a long time and even why it took so long for Ace Steel to get fired. There's also the fact that Punk still has an AEW contract and that is very much an 'ongoing legal situation'. One where anything Tony says on the issue coudl well have ramifications for any of a number of things or open himself up to future lawsuits. That's also where everything is one-sided. Punk isn't presently pursuing legal action and is free to make all the dumb Instagram posts he wants to because none of them impact any claim he could one day make in court if legal issues do arise. Tony, as the boss, does not have that luxury. Nobody has said there's a lawsuit or is trying to claim one happened, that's just you misunderstanding. And beyond that, yes, I do think lawyers telling Tony not to talk are completely apathetic to FTR Bald's podcast. That's because FTR Bald is not the owner and president of the company. His views on the situation do not have any bearing on the outcome of any future issues, and he is neither a participant nor a firsthand witness. The two situations don't really have anything to do with one another, similar to how Tony can have lots of legal liabiltiy behind his words but CM Punk just going "duh" on an Instagram post has no impact on the world and is a bad comparison to make. Sure thing. That long explanation is way more realistic than no legal situation. You’re right. Considering Punk is still under contract, how could Khan saying Punk won’t be back not be a legal situation? Speaking from experience on the legal side, if you’re planning on releasing/buying out/terminating an employee/contractor in the future, you’re best to play everything quiet at least until that agreement or separation is reached. Khan’s mouth gets him in trouble too much usually, so I think not saying anything is perfectly reasonable here.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 4, 2023 11:08:12 GMT -5
Sure thing. That long explanation is way more realistic than no legal situation. You’re right. Considering Punk is still under contract, how could Khan saying Punk won’t be back not be a legal situation? Speaking from experience on the legal side, if you’re planning on releasing/buying out/terminating an employee/contractor in the future, you’re best to play everything quiet at least until that agreement or separation is reached. Khan’s mouth gets him in trouble too much usually, so I think not saying anything is perfectly reasonable here. If the idea of having a contract means “legal situation” then yeah I guess everything is, which means everyone can keep saying it to avoid answers. But Khan can say he’s not coming back and still pay him. He can do a number of things, this idea he can’t talk about it is just asinine. Everyone else can. I think it’s pretty obvious Khan wants Punk back which is why he’s playing this card. Can we all agree that the longer Tony does not confirm what’s happening the longer the drama will dominate the AEW discourse? We are going on 3+ months now. If we had an answer, it’d be over.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 4, 2023 11:14:45 GMT -5
Can we all agree that the longer Tony does not confirm what’s happening the longer the drama will dominate the AEW discourse? We are going on 3+ months now. If we had an answer, it’d be over. It very, VERY much wouldn’t. I feel like we’ve literally explained to you why that has been the case, Mothman did it the best out of all of us. I’m genuinely still not sure what still needs to be explained here.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 4, 2023 11:27:31 GMT -5
Can we all agree that the longer Tony does not confirm what’s happening the longer the drama will dominate the AEW discourse? We are going on 3+ months now. If we had an answer, it’d be over. It very, VERY much wouldn’t. I feel like we’ve literally explained to you why that has been the case, Mothman did it the best out of all of us. I’m genuinely still not sure what still needs to be explained here. He didn’t. But I get that you get off on telling me I’m wrong or whatever so whatever makes you happy.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 4, 2023 11:28:17 GMT -5
Considering Punk is still under contract, how could Khan saying Punk won’t be back not be a legal situation? Speaking from experience on the legal side, if you’re planning on releasing/buying out/terminating an employee/contractor in the future, you’re best to play everything quiet at least until that agreement or separation is reached. Khan’s mouth gets him in trouble too much usually, so I think not saying anything is perfectly reasonable here. If the idea of having a contract means “legal situation” then yeah I guess everything is, which means everyone can keep saying it to avoid answers. But Khan can say he’s not coming back and still pay him. He can do a number of things, this idea he can’t talk about it is just asinine. Everyone else can. I think it’s pretty obvious Khan wants Punk back which is why he’s playing this card. Can we all agree that the longer Tony does not confirm what’s happening the longer the drama will dominate the AEW discourse? We are going on 3+ months now. If we had an answer, it’d be over. It’s not “having a contract” that is the legal situation, it’s that from most accounts there’s going to be some type of buyout of the contract, which is most definitely a legal situation, once Punk is healed from his injury. There could also be a small part of Khan that is holding out hope that by that time, some of the wounds will have been healed and they can do business together, but either way keeping quiet is best.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 4, 2023 11:29:11 GMT -5
Buying out a contract is the very definition of a legal situation. It's a legal contract with previously agreed terms and conditions that one side (or both sides) are trying to break without breaching that legal contract. If Punk did have some sort of different contract that went beyond just being an independent contractor/wrestler, then it becomes even more of a legal situation and you have employment laws to deal with.
Nothing is going to be said about that process and the most we might get is a simple "AEW and CM Punk have agreed to part ways" statement when it's done.
Just because Punk is bored at home and shit-stirring doesn't mean that company CEO Tony Khan is going to start talking. I'd hope he has more sense than that. He's probably not even directly involved in any contract-breaking negotiations.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 4, 2023 11:31:08 GMT -5
It very, VERY much wouldn’t. I feel like we’ve literally explained to you why that has been the case, Mothman did it the best out of all of us. I’m genuinely still not sure what still needs to be explained here. He didn’t. But I get that you get off on telling me I’m wrong or whatever so go off Ahh, the old “I’m not going to listen but feel hard done by” strategy. And considering you’ve poked the bear enough, and people have reported you enough for baiting, the best solution is to help you not feel hard done by anymore so…bye.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 4, 2023 11:31:12 GMT -5
If the idea of having a contract means “legal situation” then yeah I guess everything is, which means everyone can keep saying it to avoid answers. But Khan can say he’s not coming back and still pay him. He can do a number of things, this idea he can’t talk about it is just asinine. Everyone else can. I think it’s pretty obvious Khan wants Punk back which is why he’s playing this card. Can we all agree that the longer Tony does not confirm what’s happening the longer the drama will dominate the AEW discourse? We are going on 3+ months now. If we had an answer, it’d be over. It’s not “having a contract” that is the legal situation, it’s that from most accounts there’s going to be some type of buyout of the contract, which is most definitely a legal situation, once Punk is healed from his injury. There could also be a small part of Khan that is holding out hope that by that time, some of the wounds will have been healed and they can do business together, but either way keeping quiet is best. Hm. Maybe so. I guess I don’t really see it that way. We haven’t heard word of the buyout for a long time but if that’s still on the table, I don’t see why Punk would keep this up. Granted, Punk being logical is a flawed stance to hold anyways.
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Post by coleslaw on Jan 4, 2023 11:32:31 GMT -5
anybody want a muffin?
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 4, 2023 11:34:15 GMT -5
It’s not “having a contract” that is the legal situation, it’s that from most accounts there’s going to be some type of buyout of the contract, which is most definitely a legal situation, once Punk is healed from his injury. There could also be a small part of Khan that is holding out hope that by that time, some of the wounds will have been healed and they can do business together, but either way keeping quiet is best. Hm. Maybe so. I guess I don’t really see it that way. We haven’t heard word of the buyout for a long time but if that’s still on the table, I don’t see why Punk would keep this up. Granted, Punk being logical is a flawed stance to hold anyways. To make it less messy, they’re probably going to wait until he’s healed from his injury. Pretty sure Meltzer or SRS reported that as well. There’s not much to report considering it’s basically a holding period now. Punk likely has a guaranteed contract and he’s not one to back down and stay quiet so I don’t see him of all people not stirring things up when he likely has little to lose by doing so.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jan 4, 2023 15:01:09 GMT -5
Well, I am f***ing tired and I do work with children. Sayyy, do you know Colt Cabana?
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Post by SneakMan on Jan 4, 2023 15:19:21 GMT -5
Love to show up in threads and be confidently, loudly wrong about things.
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Post by XIII on Jan 4, 2023 15:22:50 GMT -5
Love to show up in threads and be confidently, loudly wrong about things. It’s a FAN tradition!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 15:47:22 GMT -5
Love to show up in threads and be confidently, loudly wrong about things. muffins aren't dessert they're breakfast fight me
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 4, 2023 15:53:51 GMT -5
If I'm Tony, I'm giving him the rest of his contractual payment along with his walking papers and being done with this, honestly.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 4, 2023 16:09:41 GMT -5
If I'm Tony, I'm giving him the rest of his contractual payment along with his walking papers and being done with this, honestly. Ideally, that’s likely what’ll happen when he’s 100%. They don’t have to worry about another “THEY FIRED ME ON MY WEDDING DAY!” style rant and he can move on and…I guess do more G tier MMA commentary, I don’t know.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 4, 2023 16:22:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the injury likely complicates things a lot more than they normally would. I also think part of Tony Khan does hope that Punk can be an adult for once and try to make amends with the people he wronged. Then he does salty shit and those hopes are dashed unless this is some weird passive-aggressive way to say he wants to come back.
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Post by Fade on Jan 4, 2023 16:26:46 GMT -5
Yeah, the injury likely complicates things a lot more than they normally would. I also think part of Tony Khan does hope that Punk can be an adult for once and try to make amends with the people he wronged. Then he does salty shit and those hopes are dashed unless this is some weird passive-aggressive way to say he wants to come back.That’s 💯 what he’s going with his comments as of late.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 16:28:45 GMT -5
Yeah, the injury likely complicates things a lot more than they normally would. I also think part of Tony Khan does hope that Punk can be an adult for once and try to make amends with the people he wronged. Then he does salty shit and those hopes are dashed unless this is some weird passive-aggressive way to say he wants to come back.That’s 💯 what he’s going with his comments as of late. honestly it's not even surprising at this point when it comes to the whole punk/elite thing, there's really no other alternative than either shitposting or getting angry for either side lmao
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 4, 2023 16:28:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the injury likely complicates things a lot more than they normally would. I also think part of Tony Khan does hope that Punk can be an adult for once and try to make amends with the people he wronged. Then he does salty shit and those hopes are dashed unless this is some weird passive-aggressive way to say he wants to come back.That’s 💯 what he’s going with his comments as of late. Yeah, it seems he’s trying to prove his worth by the stuff he’s putting in his stories, whether that be for a return to AEW or to go back to WWE.
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