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Post by Dub H on Jan 4, 2023 16:57:03 GMT -5
Love to show up in threads and be confidently, loudly wrong about things. Yeh but the real question here is, does Punk look like he spent 3 months in the gym? ( actually he likely doesnt)
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 4, 2023 18:07:06 GMT -5
Oh, I see. You thought this had to be fake because the only conception of an 'ongoing legal situation' you could come up with was a lawsuit? Because nobody ever said lawsuit. There have been people who specifically said it's a surprise no lawsuit ever came out of this, but there absolutely does not have to be a lawsuit for there to be an ongoing legal situation. For one, there was a legal investigation into the meltdown and the fight, which is why a lot of people sat home for a long time and even why it took so long for Ace Steel to get fired. There's also the fact that Punk still has an AEW contract and that is very much an 'ongoing legal situation'. One where anything Tony says on the issue coudl well have ramifications for any of a number of things or open himself up to future lawsuits. That's also where everything is one-sided. Punk isn't presently pursuing legal action and is free to make all the dumb Instagram posts he wants to because none of them impact any claim he could one day make in court if legal issues do arise. Tony, as the boss, does not have that luxury. Nobody has said there's a lawsuit or is trying to claim one happened, that's just you misunderstanding. And beyond that, yes, I do think lawyers telling Tony not to talk are completely apathetic to FTR Bald's podcast. That's because FTR Bald is not the owner and president of the company. His views on the situation do not have any bearing on the outcome of any future issues, and he is neither a participant nor a firsthand witness. The two situations don't really have anything to do with one another, similar to how Tony can have lots of legal liabiltiy behind his words but CM Punk just going "duh" on an Instagram post has no impact on the world and is a bad comparison to make. Sure thing. That long explanation is way more realistic than no legal situation. You’re right. Occam's razor is not "the right answer is the one with fewer words so just make an assumption and if it takes a couple paragraphs to debunk them then it must be right, actually".
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 4, 2023 18:17:29 GMT -5
Sure thing. That long explanation is way more realistic than no legal situation. You’re right. Considering Punk is still under contract, how could Khan saying Punk won’t be back not be a legal situation? Speaking from experience on the legal side, if you’re planning on releasing/buying out/terminating an employee/contractor in the future, you’re best to play everything quiet at least until that agreement or separation is reached. Khan’s mouth gets him in trouble too much usually, so I think not saying anything is perfectly reasonable here. I'm actually curious about something that intuitively kind of made sense to me but I didn't know for sure so I didn't go there, but this is your zone so you might have some insight on it. We know Punk's injury complicates his termination, but would Tony intimating that once he was healthy they were going to cut him loose be something that could land him in hot water if Punk decided to try and fight it?
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 4, 2023 19:07:32 GMT -5
Considering Punk is still under contract, how could Khan saying Punk won’t be back not be a legal situation? Speaking from experience on the legal side, if you’re planning on releasing/buying out/terminating an employee/contractor in the future, you’re best to play everything quiet at least until that agreement or separation is reached. Khan’s mouth gets him in trouble too much usually, so I think not saying anything is perfectly reasonable here. I'm actually curious about something that intuitively kind of made sense to me but I didn't know for sure so I didn't go there, but this is your zone so you might have some insight on it. We know Punk's injury complicates his termination, but would Tony intimating that once he was healthy they were going to cut him loose be something that could land him in hot water if Punk decided to try and fight it? It depends on what’s in the contract essentially. We really have no idea. A standard wrestling contract like the ones WWE has that have gone public over the years, you can cut someone for any reason whatsoever or no reason at all so this wouldn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. Punk seems to have a different type of contract from the rumors we’ve heard about him so it’s anyone’s guess as to what exactly the terms are for breaching the agreement, terminating the agreement early, whether it’s for cause termination or otherwise. The fact that we’ve heard a buyout is likely makes me think he has a for cause contract and they don’t want to go down the rabbit hole of litigating whether or not there was cause here, as that would be a years-long fight where the real winners are the lawyers. Whether that means they offer to pay him the entire amount remaining with a non-compete in place or a certain percentage with a less restrictive or no non-compete in place remains to be seen. And like I said earlier, by keeping quiet it also keeps open the possibility that time does heal the wounds and the parties agree to do business together. As to why they just didn’t cut him right away, I’m imagining that if it’s a for cause contract one of the causes is if the wrestler can’t perform, but I’d imagine a carve out to that would be when the reason he can’t perform is due to an injury suffered working for the company.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 4, 2023 19:13:40 GMT -5
Considering Punk is still under contract, how could Khan saying Punk won’t be back not be a legal situation? Speaking from experience on the legal side, if you’re planning on releasing/buying out/terminating an employee/contractor in the future, you’re best to play everything quiet at least until that agreement or separation is reached. Khan’s mouth gets him in trouble too much usually, so I think not saying anything is perfectly reasonable here. I'm actually curious about something that intuitively kind of made sense to me but I didn't know for sure so I didn't go there, but this is your zone so you might have some insight on it. We know Punk's injury complicates his termination, but would Tony intimating that once he was healthy they were going to cut him loose be something that could land him in hot water if Punk decided to try and fight it? I think not releasing people when injured has been pretty stands legally even in WWE no?probably safer than sorry . I don't think intimatiom would matter.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 4, 2023 19:31:00 GMT -5
Yeah, Punk's contract supposedly has him as an actual employee, so I imagine that has to be taken into account. Plus his injury. Like, we've seen Tony shoot out from his mouth on stupid shit before (Big Swole most predominate), so if there was SOMETHING to say, he'd say it.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 4, 2023 20:05:31 GMT -5
Yeah, Punk's contract supposedly has him as an actual employee, so I imagine that has to be taken into account. Plus his injury. Like, we've seen Tony shoot out from his mouth on stupid shit before (Big Swole most predominate), so if there was SOMETHING to say, he'd say it. There is nothing to point he is an employee ,it was pure speculatuon from the internet
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 4, 2023 20:34:26 GMT -5
Yeah, Punk's contract supposedly has him as an actual employee, so I imagine that has to be taken into account. Plus his injury. Like, we've seen Tony shoot out from his mouth on stupid shit before (Big Swole most predominate), so if there was SOMETHING to say, he'd say it. There is nothing to point he is an employee ,it was pure speculatuon from the internet Like all indications seem to be they're just waiting for him to heal up from his tricep injury and paying him his regular wage before letting him go. Just seems like the decent human thing to do, even with how much Punk wronged the company.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 5, 2023 4:25:32 GMT -5
There is nothing to point he is an employee ,it was pure speculatuon from the internet Like all indications seem to be they're just waiting for him to heal up from his tricep injury and paying him his regular wage before letting him go. Just seems like the decent human thing to do, even with how much Punk wronged the company. And also, like I said repeatedly, you don't put out an inferno by pouring more fuel onto the fire. And hey, if Punk happens to realize things could start to be better if he reconciled, all the better. It's not going to happen (or at least, it's about as close to 0% without it being there) but there's always hope. He's out for a bit.
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Post by markymark on Jan 6, 2023 7:25:02 GMT -5
If they are bringing him back its because of the ratings(this week) and also to help tv contract renewals....
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 6, 2023 11:43:21 GMT -5
If they are bringing him back its because of the ratings(this week) and also to help tv contract renewals....
They're not gonna bring a man back because of one singular week of ratings my dude. They factor in a lot more than that lol.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 6, 2023 12:04:34 GMT -5
I doubt the ratings have much to do with it. I think there's those that do genuinely like Punk in the locker room and also feel you'll make a lot of money with him, and I think Punk realizes options are minimal outside of AEW.
If he legit is willing to make peace and the Bucks forgive him. Whatevs
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 6, 2023 12:11:12 GMT -5
I doubt the ratings have much to do with it. I think there's those that do genuinely like Punk in the locker room and also feel you'll make a lot of money with him, and I think Punk realizes options are minimal outside of AEW. If he legit is willing to make peace and the Bucks forgive him. WhatevsThis is where it stands. Is he willing to do that after suing his friend about legal fees he was apparently owed? Or cope with the grudges people might have in terms of their pushes being messed up because of the aftermath of Brawl Out? History, right now, says absolutely not.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 6, 2023 12:24:41 GMT -5
I doubt the ratings have much to do with it. I think there's those that do genuinely like Punk in the locker room and also feel you'll make a lot of money with him, and I think Punk realizes options are minimal outside of AEW. If he legit is willing to make peace and the Bucks forgive him. WhatevsThis is where it stands. Is he willing to do that after suing his friend about legal fees he was apparently owed? Or cope with the grudges people might have in terms of their pushes being messed up because of the aftermath of Brawl Out? History, right now, says absolutely not. Punk is a talented wrestler with a massive ego. Hes not gonna let the beef slide hes his own worst enemy 100 percent of the time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 6, 2023 12:28:06 GMT -5
Kinda wonder if the recent developments over at WWE would make Punk consider apologizing and working together again
It's doubtful because of how Punk's mind operates, but, who knows lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 12:44:26 GMT -5
Love to show up in threads and be confidently, loudly wrong about things. Yeh but the real question here is, does Punk look like he spent 3 months in the gym? ( actually he likely doesnt) To be far, during AEW he was in better shape than he was in 2011. He was skinny fat then, and glad he was able to clean up those muffin tops.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 12:45:53 GMT -5
If Punk does indeed come back, I can only imagine a Punkverse scenario where the Elite or Colt Cabana cannot enter in. FTR will obviously be swallowed in this universe.
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Post by pinja on Jan 6, 2023 13:28:45 GMT -5
Punk comes back only to sell his business to the highest bidder. He won't affect the program. No wrestler on the roster needs to worry.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jan 6, 2023 13:59:17 GMT -5
A theory I’ve had all along is that Punk was given bad information about The Elite. He ran with it.
When The Bucks in particular showed up after the scrum he blamed them. They basically told him something equal to “F you” and a fight started as Punk still thought he was being played by them.
Dax, who he respects talked to people and realized The Elite were innocent. Dax then talked to Punk and cooler heads prevailed mainly because he like and trusts Dax.
Both sides realize how close they are to AEW taking the next step. Both have a chip on their shoulder and a drive to prove people wrong. End of the day that may be all it takes.
Now granted I made all this up. But it’s something I’ve wondered.
That and what if Ace Steel was the one in Punks ear feeding him BS.
Forgive me for my imagination running wild. At my job I’m in an isolated control room by myself 8 hours a day.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 6, 2023 14:21:36 GMT -5
Punk needs to bury the hatchet with Cabana, not just the Elite. The scrum all started with him ranting unprovoked about Colt after all. If they can't share a locker room together then Punk is going to boil and bubble and blow up again.
Get everyone in a room together and sort ALL of this shit out. Only then should Punk come back.
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