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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 6, 2022 16:11:31 GMT -5
The longest anyone on this list has been wrestling actively is just over a year and yet, they're all this good already.
These are the ones I found online. This doesn't even go into the work guys like Mochizuki Jr and Ishin Iihashi have been doing. Whatever DG is doing with their training, it's working wonders already.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 6, 2022 17:13:32 GMT -5
They've done a really great job building up their students ever since CIMA left. Before that you had guys Kaito Ishida and Takehiro Yamamura spinning their wheels for ages. But since then the've actually made efforts to put these kids in significant spots almost right out of the gate, and it's paid dividends. What other company Would have had the balls to push a 20 year old SB KENTo, roughly a year into his career, to pin 4 veterans in arguably their biggest match of the year?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 6, 2022 18:05:57 GMT -5
They've done a really great job building up their students ever since CIMA left. Before that you had guys Kaito Ishida and Takehiro Yamamura spinning their wheels for ages. But since then the've actually made efforts to put these kids in significant spots almost right out of the gate, and it's paid dividends. What other company Would have had the balls to push a 20 year old SB KENTo, roughly a year into his career, to pin 4 veterans in arguably their biggest match of the year? I love it. If you think they’re good enough to be a future star, put them out there and let them work and learn with your best guys. Let them learn by doing. Give them the chance to prove themselves without forcing them to do single-leg Boston Crabs in every match. There’s a reason that Ohbari and Okada have said they want to streamline their development process to be closer to the DG system. |
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Post by Starshine on Dec 6, 2022 20:07:14 GMT -5
They've done a really great job building up their students ever since CIMA left. Before that you had guys Kaito Ishida and Takehiro Yamamura spinning their wheels for ages. But since then the've actually made efforts to put these kids in significant spots almost right out of the gate, and it's paid dividends. What other company Would have had the balls to push a 20 year old SB KENTo, roughly a year into his career, to pin 4 veterans in arguably their biggest match of the year? I love it. If you think they’re good enough to be a future star, put them out there and let them work and learn with your best guys. Let them learn by doing. Give them the chance to prove themselves without forcing them to do single-leg Boston Crabs in every match. There’s a reason that Ohbari and Okada have said they want to streamline their development process to be closer to the DG system. So the newest guy is Yoshiki Kato, and if you saw the free Korakuen show from last night, he wrestles Madoka Kikuta. This is his official debut match. In his first exhibition match against Punch Tominaga last month, he actually tapped him out, which has never happened before, leading him to get fast tracked out of the exhibition match cycle. Now he's got his own gear, established finishing move, and is mixing it up with pushed guys. This is all in two matches total. They have so much talent on hand, it's crazy to think back to the doldrums of 2018, where they really seemed to be struggling there. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 6, 2022 20:24:41 GMT -5
Makes me think of a young Yoshitsune, that level of agility.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 6, 2022 21:40:00 GMT -5
Makes me think of a young Yoshitsune, that level of agility. Not a bad comparison. He kind of reminds me of some of the DG old guard like Doi. |
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Post by Convoy on Dec 6, 2022 21:45:39 GMT -5
DG obviously hasn’t regained the level of conversation it had in the West, but they’ve been super consistent and entertaining for a long time now. I wasn’t the biggest fan of KAI as champion, but he performed the role well and those who beat him were made better for it. These kids will all be great, and it’s worth remembering that DG is still technically the #3 promotion in Japan when it comes to attendance. They are doing plenty right.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 6, 2022 21:59:53 GMT -5
DG obviously hasn’t regained the level of conversation it had in the West, but they’ve been super consistent and entertaining for a long time now. I wasn’t the biggest fan of KAI as champion, but he performed the role well and those who beat him were made better for it. These kids will all be great, and it’s worth remembering that DG is still technically the #3 promotion in Japan when it comes to attendance. They are doing plenty right. Yeah, they do well for themselves. I am unclear on it, like I assume NJPW is probably in first place, who is currently around second place? DDT, AJPW? |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 6, 2022 22:27:13 GMT -5
DG obviously hasn’t regained the level of conversation it had in the West, but they’ve been super consistent and entertaining for a long time now. I wasn’t the biggest fan of KAI as champion, but he performed the role well and those who beat him were made better for it. These kids will all be great, and it’s worth remembering that DG is still technically the #3 promotion in Japan when it comes to attendance. They are doing plenty right. I think they’re considered number 2 Right now because NOAH is a bit up and down. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 6, 2022 22:29:12 GMT -5
DG obviously hasn’t regained the level of conversation it had in the West, but they’ve been super consistent and entertaining for a long time now. I wasn’t the biggest fan of KAI as champion, but he performed the role well and those who beat him were made better for it. These kids will all be great, and it’s worth remembering that DG is still technically the #3 promotion in Japan when it comes to attendance. They are doing plenty right. Yeah, they do well for themselves. I am unclear on it, like I assume NJPW is probably in first place, who is currently around second place? DDT, AJPW? NOAH or Dragon Gate. All Japan has done very well in Tokyo but have had some trouble elsewhere. Dragon Gate has had very good showings in Okinawa, Hokkaido, Kobe, and Osaka as well as Tokyo. |
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Post by Starshine on Dec 6, 2022 22:32:48 GMT -5
DG obviously hasn’t regained the level of conversation it had in the West, but they’ve been super consistent and entertaining for a long time now. I wasn’t the biggest fan of KAI as champion, but he performed the role well and those who beat him were made better for it. These kids will all be great, and it’s worth remembering that DG is still technically the #3 promotion in Japan when it comes to attendance. They are doing plenty right. I think they’re considered number 2 Right now because NOAH is a bit up and down. 2 can be pretty easily argued between either DG or Stardom. NOAH had their lunch eaten by DG last month, and it's a bad look, considering DG barely even bothered to promote the joint show and still almost doubled the attedence compared to NOAH's big Korakuen show the night before. Hopefully they're able to get back on track once old decrepit Mutoh finally takes a hike. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 6, 2022 22:43:47 GMT -5
I think they’re considered number 2 Right now because NOAH is a bit up and down. 2 can be pretty easily argued between either DG or Stardom. NOAH had their lunch eaten by DG last month, and it's a bad look, considering DG barely even bothered to promote the joint show and still almost doubled the attedence compared to NOAH's big Korakuen show the night before. Hopefully they're able to get back on track once old decrepit Mutoh finally takes a hike. I think the problem with NOAH is bigger than Mutoh tbh. Fujita, for one, is an anti-draw to the point where Tim Thatcher is a better option for a main eventer. They just don’t have newer talent to push other than Kaito and Wagner. |
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Post by Starshine on Dec 6, 2022 22:52:41 GMT -5
2 can be pretty easily argued between either DG or Stardom. NOAH had their lunch eaten by DG last month, and it's a bad look, considering DG barely even bothered to promote the joint show and still almost doubled the attedence compared to NOAH's big Korakuen show the night before. Hopefully they're able to get back on track once old decrepit Mutoh finally takes a hike. I think the problem with NOAH is bigger than Mutoh tbh. Fujita, for one, is an anti-draw to the point where Tim Thatcher is a better option for a main eventer/ Nosawa's booking is probably issue #1. But if Mutoh's not around, maybe his influence on him won't be as damaging to the creative processes. Most of these problems (Fujita, Funaki, et al) really came up when Mutoh signed with the company. Before that they were at least trying in earnest to push new talent in Kiyomiya, for example, and you didn't have these prima donnas throwing their weight around. It's good they've back behind Kiyomiya now, but it's also less good that they've forced him into now playing a Mutoh tribute act. |
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Post by Convoy on Dec 6, 2022 23:01:46 GMT -5
DG obviously hasn’t regained the level of conversation it had in the West, but they’ve been super consistent and entertaining for a long time now. I wasn’t the biggest fan of KAI as champion, but he performed the role well and those who beat him were made better for it. These kids will all be great, and it’s worth remembering that DG is still technically the #3 promotion in Japan when it comes to attendance. They are doing plenty right. Yeah, they do well for themselves. I am unclear on it, like I assume NJPW is probably in first place, who is currently around second place? DDT, AJPW? In 2022 Stardom was #2 behind NJPW. New Japan lapped everyone, DG was third and NOAH was fourth. Praise be to Bushiroad. NJPW: 219,391 Stardom: 83,049 DG: 61,095 NOAH: 55,858 AJPW: 33,356 DDT: 32,739 TJPW: 24,503 BJW: 22,448 These are the announced attendances, so there is some papering, but everyone does it so let's call it even. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 6, 2022 23:10:50 GMT -5
Yeah, they do well for themselves. I am unclear on it, like I assume NJPW is probably in first place, who is currently around second place? DDT, AJPW? In 2022 Stardom was #2 behind NJPW. New Japan lapped everyone, DG was third and NOAH was fourth. Praise be to Bushiroad. NJPW: 219,391 Stardom: 83,049 DG: 61,095 NOAH: 55,858 AJPW: 33,356 DDT: 32,739 TJPW: 24,503 BJW: 22,448 These are the announced attendances, so there is some papering, but everyone does it so let's call it even. Thanks, yeah, I was thinking of joshi as like a separate category for this, but cool to to see Stardom doing that well. |
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