Urethra Franklin
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 9, 2022 0:27:26 GMT -5
Jericho's hated Goldberg since WCW hasn't he? Thought I heard that Goldberg refused to work with him and thought he was above him. I've never liked Goldberg always thought of him as WCW's Stone Cold Ripoff Version but I did like the Lesnar-Goldberg match at Mania 33 it was a hard hitting slobberknocker. I liked their WM20 match just for the crowd crapping on both of them and cheering for Stone Cold as the ref then it ended with him stunning both of them. Goldberg was on Jericho’s podcast in the last few months. I think they’re cool now.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 9, 2022 0:50:49 GMT -5
The Goldberg/Lesnar feud was hotter and had more momentum. I know everyone has their mind clouded by more recent lackluster Goldberg runs but that return was drawing good ratings, his promos were fantastic and crowds were living and dying on the Brock program. It was just a bigger deal for a mania match If I remember correctly, Meltz said at the time that the only two things that were moving the needle during Fall 2016 on Raw were Goldberg/Brock and Sasha/Charlotte.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Dec 9, 2022 1:31:10 GMT -5
Hated the Goldberg run then, hate it now.
And I was still the only person in Milwaukee booing that squash at Fastlane. f***ing sacrificed Owens for a feud that didn't need a f***ing title at all.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Dec 9, 2022 14:09:32 GMT -5
Jericho in world title matches at Wrestlemania never delivered for me. I had pretty high expectations for Jericho/HHH, Jericho/Edge and Jericho/Punk and ended up being disappointed with all of them. If Jericho and Owens' US title match is anything to go by then then that pattern would have continued. Although maybe if it was for the world title they would have put more effort in. In fact Jericho in general at Wrestlemania has a really patchy record for the level of talent he is. Jericho/Angle/Benoit Jericho/Regal Jericho/HHH Jericho/Edge Jericho/Punk Jericho/Styles Jericho/Owens All those matches looked way better on paper to me than they ended up being. Jericho/HBK in 2003 I think is his only great Wrestlemania match. The Christian match the following year was pretty good too. I'm a big fan of Jericho's work through the 90s and early 00s but I'd agree, his Wrestlemania matches were largely mediocre. In fact, the only one I've watched more than a couple times is his match against Regal. Just a good solid bout.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 9, 2022 14:12:30 GMT -5
Jericho always, almost always underwhelmed at Mania anyway.
I became a fan of KO after the Austin match.
Goldberg was Lesnar was brilliant
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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 9, 2022 14:27:53 GMT -5
Jericho always, almost always underwhelmed at Mania anyway. I became a fan of KO after the Austin match. Goldberg was Lesnar was brilliant Jericho's had quite the interesting career. Underused in WCW then jumps to WWE with all the hype and they didn't really do much with him at first after the opening promo battle with The Rock. Beating Rock and Austin in the same night was huge in 2001 but then loses to Triple H in a weird feud at WrestleMania. Was always up and down the card. He's done well in AEW but I wonder if he'd be that big a deal if it wasn't for the crowd singing along to Judas which is a cool song.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 9, 2022 14:50:59 GMT -5
Owens went from a brutal prize fighter who, while he would take shortcuts at times, could also just kick your ass straight up. He went from that, to a complete coward goof who could not win anything without his buddy Jericho interfering once he became champion.
And then just as he was getting his balls back, they had him drop the belt to Oldberg in like 30 seconds. And he has never held a world title since then.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 9, 2022 14:59:56 GMT -5
Hated the Goldberg run then, hate it now. And I was still the only person in Milwaukee booing that squash at Fastlane. f***ing sacrificed Owens for a feud that didn't need a f***ing title at all. I don’t think it’s that they needed the universal title in the Lesnar/Brock feud it’s more that they didn’t want both of the world titles involved in heatless borderline comedy feuds between two heels. (Orton/Bray the other one) The program didn’t need the belt. The belt needed the Lesnar/Goldberg program
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Post by Starshine on Dec 9, 2022 15:05:23 GMT -5
Hated the Goldberg run then, hate it now. And I was still the only person in Milwaukee booing that squash at Fastlane. f***ing sacrificed Owens for a feud that didn't need a f***ing title at all. I don’t think it’s that they needed the universal title in the Lesnar/Brock feud it’s more that they didn’t want both of the world titles involved in heatless borderline comedy feuds between two heels. (Orton/Bray the other one) The program didn’t need the belt. The belt needed the Lesnar/Goldberg program Also that was the start to their year long goal of building up Brock strong so he could drop the belt to Roman… which didn’t happen, sure, but isn’t it the thought that counts? …No? Figures.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 9, 2022 15:09:42 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s that they needed the universal title in the Lesnar/Brock feud it’s more that they didn’t want both of the world titles involved in heatless borderline comedy feuds between two heels. (Orton/Bray the other one) The program didn’t need the belt. The belt needed the Lesnar/Goldberg program Also that was the start to their year long goal of building up Brock strong so he could drop the belt to Roman… which didn’t happen, sure, but isn’t it the thought that counts? …No? Figures. Oh yeah that was dumb no doubt. But I still defend the Goldberg decision for just how hot the Brock feud was
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 9, 2022 15:12:02 GMT -5
I loathe myself for saying this, but Brock v Goldberg is a much, much bigger match, a bigger draw and an easy sell for WWE. I get it. They're ultimately a business, no matter how much the pro wrestling fan me hates it.
Also, it was a really unexpectedly fun match.
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Post by thegreatnodnarb on Dec 9, 2022 20:00:43 GMT -5
"Worst match in Wrestlemania history." - Vince McMahon
Jericho in general is someone I find that is great at putting on a good match but not so great at putting on a great match if that makes any sense.
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Post by papagiorgio on Dec 11, 2022 12:37:21 GMT -5
I don't think part timers like Lesnar and particularly Goldberg need titles or title shots constantly at PPVs. That said, even without a title, Lesnar vs. Goldberg deserved to be treated like a bigger deal than Owens vs. Jericho.
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