Jericho and Owens upset over Goldberg/Lesnar Wrestlemania 33

[The Rick Jericho]

So Owens had an interview recently on After the Bell where he states he didn't enjoy his universal title reign as much as he should've.

Jericho was so unhappy as we all know in the past this was one of the major factors with him leaving WWE, because their program didn't get the Universal title match.

It's 2022, so it still bugs them. But the thing is, their work was amazing, title or no title. I think? They had a US title match instead?

So instead of being disappointed in what happened, should they just move on and appreciate what they did during this feud?

We all know here it was amazing work, but it just seems they are still pissed about Goldberg coming in and Brock wanting to move away from working with Shane and working with Goldberg instead.

The Goldberg/Lesnar match delivered too, so we can't say this was truly the worst decision WWE did in the end.

How does everyone feel about it almost 6 years later?

[Lizuka #BLM]

I think the two of them had a lot of chemistry as partners but KO's reign still sucked since it was just him getting his ass kicked by Roman or Seth every single week for like six months straight. Also the actual KO / Jericho matches really weren't at all remarkable so between those two things I have a hard time saying that it was really some great loss that KO got thrown under the bus. Even if was to lead to that completely interminable Brock reign that had like one good four way he took a nap during the entirety of and the Finn and AJ matches as its only real highlights.

[Jindrak Mark]

Jericho in world title matches at Wrestlemania never delivered for me. I had pretty high expectations for Jericho/HHH, Jericho/Edge and Jericho/Punk and ended up being disappointed with all of them.

If Jericho and Owens' US title match is anything to go by then then that pattern would have continued. Although maybe if it was for the world title they would have put more effort in.

In fact Jericho in general at Wrestlemania has a really patchy record for the level of talent he is.

Jericho/Angle/Benoit
Jericho/Regal
Jericho/HHH
Jericho/Edge
Jericho/Punk
Jericho/Styles
Jericho/Owens

All those matches looked way better on paper to me than they ended up being. Jericho/HBK in 2003 I think is his only great Wrestlemania match. The Christian match the following year was pretty good too.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Considering I hate Goldberg and I couldn't care about his match at WrestleMania, I would have MUCH preferred Jericho/Owens for the title instead.

[ChitownKnight]

I really hope they give KO another title reign specifically the wwe championship. He deserves the moniker of being 2 time world champ

[bluebeach25]

Jericho/Owens wasn't that great of a match, it really was to slow actually.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

I would agree with them both if their match was anything special. It wasn’t.

[fw91]

Dec 8, 2022 20:36:39 GMT -5 bluebeach25 said:

Jericho/Owens wasn't that great of a match, it really was to slow actually.

Yeah but the wind was taken out of its sails before it started with the push down the card

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

While the feud was silly fun, a Universal title match between those two would not have been appetizing. KO was not having a good title reign and turning on Jericho while a memorable moment, still wasn't all that good either. Him being U.S. champion was basically filler

Goldber/Lesnar at Mania is still one of the better "sprint matches" I have seen so I am fine with the result 

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 8, 2022 20:11:12 GMT -5 Jindrak Mark said:

In fact Jericho in general at Wrestlemania has a really patchy record for the level of talent he is.

Jericho/Angle/Benoit
Jericho/Regal
Jericho/HHH
Jericho/Edge
Jericho/Punk
Jericho/Styles
Jericho/Owens

All those matches looked way better on paper to me than they ended up being. Jericho/HBK in 2003 I think is his only great Wrestlemania match. The Christian match the following year was pretty good too.

Jericho/Angle/Benoit - Still a memorable triple threat match
Jericho/Regal - A good match on one of the greatest (if not the greatest) cards of all time and set the tone
Jericho/HHH - Dud
Jericho/Edge - Dud
Jericho/Punk - Once they got out the slow beginning, the match picked up at the end to make it good
Jericho/Styles - Good match 
Jericho/Owens - Meh

[Mozenrath]

I think that the argument of "their match wasn't good, though" hinges on the idea the match would have been literally the same if it was for the title when that's simply not likely the case. They'd have probably been given additional time and focus. Doesn't necessarily mean that it'd have been better, since we've also sometimes seen big matches be given TOO much time, like Edge vs Orton, but still.

That being said, eh. I feel like it's hard to deny Owens as Universal champion wasn't plagued by tons of absolute filler.

[DrBackflipsHoffman]

Goldberg's the worst, Goldberg should hae been outside parking cars

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

I didn't mind taking the title off of Owens but the match should have been positioned better on the card.

[Lizuka #BLM]

Dec 8, 2022 20:11:12 GMT -5 Jindrak Mark said:

Jericho/HBK in 2003 I think is his only great Wrestlemania match.

I've always thought Jericho / HBK kind of sucks honestly. It just feels like Jericho isn't being positioned as any kind of threat whatsoever; he's basically brutally torturing HBK who essentially just no-sells every bit of it like he's going down a checklist of Jericho's moves trying to make every one of them look bad, then Jericho instead switches to just using Michaels' moves for the climax of the match only for none of those to be at all sold either. Always thought it kind of made Jericho look absolutely awful because just nothing he's doing seems to be phasing Michaels at all and then he just loses essentially out of being an idiot. Also don't really know what the intent of the low blow after the match was supposed to be since at no point before or during the match did Jericho at all look like he had anything but contempt for Michaels so dunno why a fluky loss after kicking the dude's ass for 20 minutes is supposed to make you assume he respects him now.

Though really I think the whole thing kind of relates to a problem I think Jericho pretty much always had until he got to AEW, a tendency to make all of his big moves look like shit to where he gets to having to do all of them like six times including once as a springboard to viably win and even then it wouldn't be shocking of someone kicks out of it. The Judas Effect is basically his one move he's ever actually protected.

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Dec 8, 2022 21:57:45 GMT -5 DrBackflipsHoffman said:

Goldberg's the worst, Goldberg should hae been outside parking cars

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 8, 2022 22:02:08 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Dec 8, 2022 20:11:12 GMT -5 Jindrak Mark said:

Jericho/HBK in 2003 I think is his only great Wrestlemania match.

I've always thought Jericho / HBK kind of sucks honestly. It just feels like Jericho isn't being positioned as any kind of threat whatsoever; he's basically brutally torturing HBK who essentially just no-sells every bit of it like he's going down a checklist of Jericho's moves trying to make every one of them look bad, then Jericho instead switches to just using Michaels' moves for the climax of the match only for none of those to be at all sold either. Always thought it kind of made Jericho look absolutely awful because just nothing he's doing seems to be phasing Michaels at all and then he just loses essentially out of being an idiot. Also don't really know what the intent of the low blow after the match was supposed to be since at no point before or during the match did Jericho at all look like he had anything but contempt for Michaels so dunno why a fluky loss after kicking the dude's ass for 20 minutes is supposed to make you assume he respects him now.

Yeah, disagree with you on this one 

Also the ending is pretty clear as day where despite Jericho antics he still got to share the ring with his childhood hero (which was major part of the storyline) and with the match over the antics to throw HBK off his game would shown the "real" Jericho but no he was just as much a dickhead as he ever was 

[Error]

It's easy to say the match want good in hindsight but that ignores the variables that changed. Going from a main event for a top title to a midcard match changes how things are booked and laid out. I'm not saying the match would have been a GOAT contender but there is a huge difference between how, especially at that time, how they booked those matches.

[Nosnorb]

Dec 8, 2022 20:08:00 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I think the two of them had a lot of chemistry as partners but KO's reign still sucked since it was just him getting his ass kicked by Roman or Seth every single week for like six months straight. Also the actual KO / Jericho matches really weren't at all remarkable so between those two things I have a hard time saying that it was really some great loss that KO got thrown under the bus. Even if was to lead to that completely interminable Brock reign that had like one good four way he took a nap during the entirety of and the Finn and AJ matches as its only real highlights.

The KO reign was pretty much hamstrung from almost the get go when Rollins said that KO was just a puppet, and that Triple H was the real focus for Seth. With that, WWE basically told the audience, loud and clear, that nothing was going to matter until Monday Night Football had finished.

[1 Free Moon-Down with Burger]

The Goldberg/Lesnar feud was hotter and had more momentum.

I know everyone has their mind clouded by more recent lackluster Goldberg runs but that return was drawing good ratings, his promos were fantastic and crowds were living and dying on the Brock program. It was just a bigger deal for a mania match

[ElmerFudd]

Jericho's hated Goldberg since WCW hasn't he? Thought I heard that Goldberg refused to work with him and thought he was above him. I've never liked Goldberg always thought of him as WCW's Stone Cold Ripoff Version but I did like the Lesnar-Goldberg match at Mania 33 it was a hard hitting slobberknocker. I liked their WM20 match just for the crowd crapping on both of them and cheering for Stone Cold as the ref then it ended with him stunning both of them.