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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Dec 14, 2022 14:42:27 GMT -5
I have to go take an actual real shower and I feel like Sabatelli's gonna be in there looking like The Hulk like oh just passing thru?
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Post by mistery on Dec 14, 2022 14:44:00 GMT -5
Honestly if she was telling the truth about WWE warning her previously, but then she continued to do it anyways, then...the company probably ain't in the wrong for this one.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 14, 2022 14:44:18 GMT -5
On the site itself, she posted “WWE found out about the page and I’ve been told to tone it down for awhile” That was a month ago Also she took it down for a day right before the second Alba Fyre match and said stuff got back to WWE but life just went on after that until now. I think Sabi's headless body was legit the breaking point. Yeah for real. That was the straw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 14:44:54 GMT -5
"Try to act/dress a little more girly with your fictional character presentation on our network television theater program please" vs "film yourself having sex/doing doctor exams on yourself in exchange for money for the general public" are two different things Yeah, one is a woman owning her sexuality while the other is her employer forcing it on her.
Pretty much. If Ember Moon/Athena had decided to sex it up to the point she was barely passing standards and practices and it was just because she wanted to freshen up her character or something... great, fine.
But they asked her to sex it up when that's not who she is or what she wanted to do and that's... quite a big difference and it isn't THAT much different considering it all boils down to morality control over your performers.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 14, 2022 14:46:26 GMT -5
Honestly if she was telling the truth about WWE warning her previously, but then she continued to do it anyways, then...the company probably ain't in the wrong for this one. Eh, she's not an "employee".
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 14, 2022 14:47:26 GMT -5
I have to go take an actual real shower and I feel like Sabatelli's gonna be in there looking like The Hulk like oh just passing thru? How many insider backstage drama stories have involved Tino Sabotageilli
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 14, 2022 14:51:28 GMT -5
The WWE is of course not consistent, they are like almost every company and person in the world. HBK could get away with being a jerk in the mid-90s because he was great, Giant Gonzalez probably did not have the same leeway.
Would I have fired her? Probably not but just because it's not illegal doesn't mean everything should be good to go. Especially if WWE has given her a heads-up that they weren't thrilled with her content. Not listening to your bosses and doubling down on it is probably not a great idea. But she seems to have a strong safety net so oh well.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 14, 2022 14:55:58 GMT -5
If she was told previously to tone it down and defied them anyways, it's on her. She knows the money that stuff generates and took the risk. It's not the same as the Twitch issue since this can affect public perception and sponsorships beyond that one individual. People are quick to equate this to a lot of things, but if Otis was posting his ding dong on OtisFans and didn't listen to them, he'd probably be shown the door, too.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Dec 14, 2022 14:57:09 GMT -5
God dammit dude now Making It Maximum can't have live penises everything is ruined
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Post by Totorob101 on Dec 14, 2022 14:58:13 GMT -5
WWE must be a horrible place for the women to work man,the creepy old men who want them to dress scantily, the double standards and if you show any hint of skin online this company will just fire you on the spot,while the likes of Riddle get away with their antics.Awful company ran by assholes like Triple H.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 14, 2022 14:59:09 GMT -5
If she was told previously to tone it down and defied them anyways, it's on her. She knows the money that stuff generates and took the risk. It's not the same as the Twitch issue since this can affect public perception and sponsorships beyond that one individual. People are quick to equate this to a lot of things, but if Otis was posting his ding dong on OtisFans and didn't listen to them, he'd probably be shown the door, too. Otis on OtisFans showing off his Ding Dong and his Twinkie…and his HoHo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 14:59:12 GMT -5
I know it's just how American society is and all that, but a lot of stuff that actually made it onto WWE TV (the Edge and Lita live sex celebration, Sable's hand pasties, that STILL completely bonkers segment with Christy Hemme saying her ass was hungry, as examples) is a lot more sexually charged than seeing Mandy's tits. Mandy will be just fine and probably LOL'd her way into more money for less wear and tear on her body, but the double standard is... something. You make a good point, but all of those examples are from like 20 years ago when different people were in charge and the shows were aimed at an older audience. I'm not saying they're right to release her, just that the standards of 20 years ago and today are different for better or worse.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 14, 2022 14:59:21 GMT -5
Honestly if she was telling the truth about WWE warning her previously, but then she continued to do it anyways, then...the company probably ain't in the wrong for this one. They're not wrong, per se. They're huge hypocrites, that's for sure. But if they asked her to stop/tone it down and she didn't? Then she's responsible for her actions, as much as it sucks. For the record, let me be clear that the stigma on sex work is ridiculous. As long as everyone involved is consensual and legal etc, then I sure as hell am not going to shame anyone.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 14, 2022 15:01:26 GMT -5
If she was told previously to tone it down and defied them anyways, it's on her. She knows the money that stuff generates and took the risk. It's not the same as the Twitch issue since this can affect public perception and sponsorships beyond that one individual. People are quick to equate this to a lot of things, but if Otis was posting his ding dong on OtisFans and didn't listen to them, he'd probably be shown the door, too. Otis on OtisFans showing off his Ding Dong and his Twinkie…and his HoHo. This post both made me laugh and made me hungry.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 14, 2022 15:01:40 GMT -5
A lot of “to be fair” to WWE comments being made. A reminder: you totally don’t have to be fair to them.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 14, 2022 15:02:07 GMT -5
If WWE asked Mandy to stop and she didn't because it was making a lot of money, I get it (I also respect her for choosing the thing she can do without injuring herself) even if it basically puts a spotlight on how BS being an "independent contractor" is and they should just make them employees.
That being said, it still doesn't answer why this was bad but Jimmy's recent DUI got a statement from WWE saying that they're not responsible for what their talent does in their own time. Is it because Jimmy can't make money from getting drunk and crashing cars?
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Post by XIII on Dec 14, 2022 15:03:35 GMT -5
Not necessarily applicable to Mandy, but I hate that things like OnlyFans are stigmatized. I would 100% much rather have women being in total control of what they release and with who they release it, what they’re actually comfortable doing, being their own boss where they get the profits, and being filmed in the safe space of their own home vs. in a seedy club or at the whims of porn producer and all that comes with that.
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Post by Display Name on Dec 14, 2022 15:05:30 GMT -5
A lot of people in here obviously haven’t seen what she’s been posting lately. She has been pushing the envelope by the week. I love the girl, but totally believe she wanted to get released.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 14, 2022 15:05:45 GMT -5
So if Roddy still wants that release, he should get in the shower with Marina.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 15:07:04 GMT -5
Yeah, one is a woman owning her sexuality while the other is her employer forcing it on her. Pretty much. If Ember Moon/Athena had decided to sex it up to the point she was barely passing standards and practices and it was just because she wanted to freshen up her character or something... great, fine.
But they asked her to sex it up when that's not who she is or what she wanted to do and that's... quite a big difference and it isn't THAT much different considering it all boils down to morality control over your performers.
You're confusing what my point was, the original post/the twitter post was "they fired mandy, and they told ember/athena to act more like mandy!", mandy wasn't spreading her butt and shoving a camera up it to sell to the general public on nxt programming, so "Act like mandy" and "they just fired mandy!" are two seperate things. "Act more like mandy" was her on screen character on our television program, not what she was doing off of our job duties. The twitter post was conflating the two, trying to mean "ember moon should act like mandy, the character presented on our television show" and "they fired her for stuff that wouldn't be allowed on our show" were the same thing. They didn't fire mandy for doing what they (supposedly) told ember moon to do, they fired mandy for going beyond what they told ember moon to do. Nothing to do with ember moon, do whatever you want, I wasn't arguing that part. I was writing in response to the "they told her to act more like mandy, and now they just fired mandy!" as if wwe was telling ember moon to go in the middle of the ring and do what mandy got fired for. I'm highly doubting that wwe sat ember moon down, showed her mandy's pictures/videos that they just fired her for, and told ember moon "that's what we want you to do". "Act like mandy" was her on screen wwe character, and the twitter post was trying to intentionally confuse/merge those two things
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