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Post by avenger on Dec 15, 2022 14:56:51 GMT -5
One of my main issues is that the WWE is woefully inconsistent in how they punish people: Jimmy Uso: 5 arrests for DUI. The most recent from July 5, 2021 dude blew a .205 at 10:35 AM(how insane is that!?) but no disciplinary action was taken because he was important to the Roman storyline. Rob Van Dam pulled over for speeding and they found weed and some Vicodin pills(in which the charges were dropped when he showed a prescription) dropped the WWE and ECW titles and suspended for 30 days. This was before the WWE was a strict PG. Paige makes multiple sex tapes that are leaked including with other wrestlers and cumming on a WWE title, it becomes a big joke referenced years later ON WWE programming. Mandy releases nothing near as graphic as that but it’s for profit and behind a paywall that you need a credit card to even access and some of it is leaked by a loser that then tries to blackmail her. Released. We all get it, she was in violation of the terms of contract and the WWE and Mandy made their choices and they’ll both be fine, but there is absolutely zero consistency with how the WWE doles out these punishments. I mean, that bit I've bolded is the key. There are loads of companies that have a clause in their employee contracts that state if you get convicted of any offence, you're fired (I've worked for three of them) - but there is always an exemption for driving offences. If that was in WWE contracts, Jimmy Uso would have been fired years ago while he was still unimportant. RVD was arrested while WWE Champion in the early days of the Wellness Policy, he couldn't not have been suspended. Paige and Mandy are apples and oranges for the reason many other posters have said. (Although interesting that it's Paige that's always mentioned and not Xavier Woods and Brad Madddox) If you have a contract that says that you cannot publish explicit material under the name that the WWE owns, and you publish explicit material under the name that the WWE owns, then guess what? You've breached a contract that you willingly signed. No sympathy.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 15, 2022 14:59:46 GMT -5
I don't see why he wouldn't unless their network/sponsors are also uncomfortable with the content. The basic question to that would be “Were they comfortable with Toni Storm doing it?” and the answer was “She has one and had a damn long title reign whilst having one so…”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 15:02:45 GMT -5
I'm surprised she was allowed to use her WWE name to post explicit stuff (or maybe she wasn't and that's what caused this) but it's right there at the bottom right of all those leaked photos/videos. WWE star Mandy Rose is obviously more known/marketable than Amanda Saccomanno but if you're doing stuff non-WWE related stuff it's probably safer to use your real name. I see she's now switched to Mandy Sacs and removed the Rose part. Tony Khan, please don't it.....please. I don't see why he wouldn't unless their network/sponsors are also uncomfortable with the content. She might be happy and making more money with her other ventures and not be that bothered about wrestling but if I was him I'd at least make the call and find out. She's a solid name to have and has the credibility of coming off a 400 day title reign. The problem is AEW has too many women wrestlers in the roster that Tony has no clue to do with, and while Mandy will get an initial pop on her debut, there's always that diminished returns and next thing you know it she is wrestling in Dark weekly.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 15, 2022 15:10:05 GMT -5
I'm surprised she was allowed to use her WWE name to post explicit stuff (or maybe she wasn't and that's what caused this) but it's right there at the bottom right of all those leaked photos/videos. WWE star Mandy Rose is obviously more known/marketable than Amanda Saccomanno but if you're doing stuff non-WWE related stuff it's probably safer to use your real name. I see she's now switched to Mandy Sacs and removed the Rose part. Tony Khan, please don't it.....please. I don't see why he wouldn't unless their network/sponsors are also uncomfortable with the content. She might be happy and making more money with her other ventures and not be that bothered about wrestling but if I was him I'd at least make the call and find out. She's a solid name to have and has the credibility of coming off a 400 day title reign. Yeah, that might be a bigger issue tbh. Using your "gimmick" name when putting out that content is no-no.
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Post by salz4life on Dec 15, 2022 15:22:27 GMT -5
I don't see why he wouldn't unless their network/sponsors are also uncomfortable with the content. The basic question to that would be “Were they comfortable with Toni Storm doing it?” and the answer was “She has one and had a damn long title reign whilst having one so…” I don't think Toni Storm is doing any nudity is she? That's what I've heard anyway.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 15, 2022 15:24:09 GMT -5
I don't see why he wouldn't unless their network/sponsors are also uncomfortable with the content. The basic question to that would be “Were they comfortable with Toni Storm doing it?” and the answer was “She has one and had a damn long title reign whilst having one so…” Toni posts scantily clad photoshoot pictures. Half of the wrestlers on TV, male and female, do that. Mandy went way beyond that. She had started posting actual pornographic content and using her WWE gimmick name to market it. Although I just remembered that AEW had Paige VanZant on TV earlier this year. She's the only other mainstream wrestling name I can think of who posts explicit stuff like that and TBS seemingly had no problem featuring her so I don't see why they would with Mandy. Supposedly it wasn't USA Network that had the issue with Mandy though, it was Mattel.
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Post by mistery on Dec 15, 2022 15:25:00 GMT -5
The basic question to that would be “Were they comfortable with Toni Storm doing it?” and the answer was “She has one and had a damn long title reign whilst having one so…” Toni posts scantily clad photoshoot pictures. Half of the wrestlers on TV, male and female, do that. Mandy went way beyond that. She had started posting actual pornographic content and using her WWE gimmick name to market it. Although I just remembered that AEW had Paige VanZant on TV earlier this year. She's the only other mainstream wrestling name I can think of who posts explicit stuff like that and TBS seemingly had no problem featuring her so I don't see why they would with Mandy. Supposedly it wasn't USA Network that had the issue with Mandy though, it was Mattel. PVZ is also no longer on TV either though, which is the kicker. I think she wrestled one match and then never showed up again.
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Post by salz4life on Dec 15, 2022 15:25:50 GMT -5
The basic question to that would be “Were they comfortable with Toni Storm doing it?” and the answer was “She has one and had a damn long title reign whilst having one so…” Toni posts scantily clad photoshoot pictures. Half of the wrestlers on TV, male and female, do that. Mandy went way beyond that. She had started posting actual pornographic content and using her WWE gimmick name to market it. Although I just remembered that AEW had Paige VanZant on TV earlier this year. She's the only other mainstream wrestling name I can think of who posts explicit stuff like that and TBS seemingly had no problem featuring her so I don't see why they would with Mandy. Supposedly it wasn't USA Network that had the issue with Mandy though, it was Mattel. Forgot about PVZ...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 15, 2022 15:28:49 GMT -5
The basic question to that would be “Were they comfortable with Toni Storm doing it?” and the answer was “She has one and had a damn long title reign whilst having one so…” Toni posts scantily clad photoshoot pictures. Half of the wrestlers on TV, male and female, do that. Mandy went way beyond that. She had started posting actual pornographic content and using her WWE gimmick name to market it. Although I just remembered that AEW had Paige VanZant on TV earlier this year. She's the only other mainstream wrestling name I can think of who posts explicit stuff like that and TBS seemingly had no problem featuring her so I don't see why they would with Mandy. Supposedly it wasn't USA Network that had the issue with Mandy though, it was Mattel. Are people really researching this stuff, though? Like, if you say you got an OF account or whatever, people already have the perceptions. This was one thing I realized when I tried to bring up this point so I’m using it here. Like, she could be selling cooking recipes but it won’t matter to people who hear OnlyFans together. EDIT: Also, the same people who said PVZ wasn’t very good in her debut are surprised she isn’t in the ring much since her debut (which she has been training since btw).
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 15, 2022 15:36:56 GMT -5
People keep explaining contracts and business when very few seem confused about why she was fired.
I understand why she was fired, I think it’s hypocritical and dumb. I can think that while fully understanding WHY it happened. The last 10 pages of this thread were just weird to get through.
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Post by mistery on Dec 15, 2022 15:54:16 GMT -5
Fightful Select had an update on Mandy Rose's termination. Basically things were very hasty and that Fightful only got word that she was going to drop the title 15 minutes before NXT went live. Mandy is in good spirits still even after being released, and was in good spirits at the show itself even though she knew she was what coming.
As for Jacy and Gigi, they have had a few good looks at by the main roster, and have impressed people of influence. Mandy on the other hand, they apparently "had no advanced plans to bring her up to RAW or SD". And Mandy had signed a 5 year main roster deal in 2019, and had two years left on it.
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Dec 15, 2022 15:56:28 GMT -5
Lots of people signing to Mandy Rose OF out of protest Yeah. Out of protest. That's what we're calling it. Hey! People can have multiple reasons for doing something!
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 15, 2022 16:02:44 GMT -5
This is exactly what I mean. Yes, the sponsor's care and WWE want to please them and I said exactly that in my post. I said IN MY OPINION it shouldn't be WWE's business. I'm not debating the facts and how things are, just saying they're unfair. I don't believe that we should just accept things because that's how they are. Sponsors = Money. It is why WWE became a publicly traded company, they have to answer to those people because they pay WWE an assload of money. So it is WWE business because without sponsors they lose revenue, which leads to cutbacks like dropping people off the roster This is really the last time I'm going to say this because people are really not getting what I'm saying. I know this is how it works. I've said several times in several comments that I understand it. I just don't agree with it. I don't think I can be any clearer on this. You can understand that things are how they are and still think it's wrong.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 15, 2022 16:33:08 GMT -5
People keep explaining contracts and business when very few seem confused about why she was fired. I understand why she was fired, I think it’s hypocritical and dumb. I can think that while fully understanding WHY it happened. The last 10 pages of this thread were just weird to get through. I think the Internet has conditioned many people to think every conversation is an argument.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 15, 2022 16:36:18 GMT -5
Sponsors = Money. It is why WWE became a publicly traded company, they have to answer to those people because they pay WWE an assload of money. So it is WWE business because without sponsors they lose revenue, which leads to cutbacks like dropping people off the roster This is really the last time I'm going to say this because people are really not getting what I'm saying. I know this is how it works. I've said several times in several comments that I understand it. I just don't agree with it. I don't think I can be any clearer on this. You can understand that things are how they are and still think it's wrong. Its like when people say "Well, its a shareholders thing, you dont get business". I f***ing get it ,its still disgusting.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Dec 15, 2022 16:46:29 GMT -5
I just wonder if this is one of those “ we’re going to release you to calm down shareholders and Mattel. But just be patient because we will bring you back in time for the Rumble and Mania season” type things
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 15, 2022 16:50:02 GMT -5
I just wonder if this is one of those “ we’re going to release you to calm down shareholders and Mattel. But just be patient because we will bring you back in time for the Rumble and Mania season” type things Mattel just needed time to get the molds right for their Mandy/Tino shower combo set.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 16:54:40 GMT -5
I'm surprised she was allowed to use her WWE name to post explicit stuff (or maybe she wasn't and that's what caused this) but it's right there at the bottom right of all those leaked photos/videos. WWE star Mandy Rose is obviously more known/marketable than Amanda Saccomanno but if you're doing stuff non-WWE related stuff it's probably safer to use your real name. I see she's now switched to Mandy Sacs and removed the Rose part. I don't see why he wouldn't unless their network/sponsors are also uncomfortable with the content. She might be happy and making more money with her other ventures and not be that bothered about wrestling but if I was him I'd at least make the call and find out. She's a solid name to have and has the credibility of coming off a 400 day title reign. Yeah, that might be a bigger issue tbh. Using your "gimmick" name when putting out that content is no-no. Yeah considering WWE owns the intellectual property to that character
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 15, 2022 17:03:56 GMT -5
People keep explaining contracts and business when very few seem confused about why she was fired. I understand why she was fired, I think it’s hypocritical and dumb. I can think that while fully understanding WHY it happened. The last 10 pages of this thread were just weird to get through. Yeah, to quote a former Kate McKinnon SNL character: "Weknodis."
We get why she was fired. I don't blame WWE for this specifically since a sponsor held their feet to the fire. And if it's true she was using her WWE ring name to sell softcore porn, I'd say they were even justified in doing so since now they're being directly connected to an industry they don't want anything to do with. But just because we get why something happens doesn't mean we have to agree with it. In fact, that knowledge only reinforces my particular dislike of those societal attitudes.
The last like 5 or so pages are why "It's because Business etc" has become something of a board meme whenever some people rush to defend any massive corporation or some ultra-rich chucklef***s.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Dec 15, 2022 17:07:56 GMT -5
This thread is gonna hit 54 pages by this weekend, isn't it?
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