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Post by gritizen on Dec 15, 2022 17:08:17 GMT -5
Fightful Select had an update on Mandy Rose's termination. Basically things were very hasty and that Fightful only got word that she was going to drop the title 15 minutes before NXT went live. Mandy is in good spirits still even after being released, and was in good spirits at the show itself even though she knew she was what coming. As for Jacy and Gigi, they have had a few good looks at by the main roster, and have impressed people of influence. Mandy on the other hand, they apparently "had no advanced plans to bring her up to RAW or SD". And Mandy had signed a 5 year main roster deal in 2019, and had two years left on it. This goes with what Meltzer said last night. That there were plans to bring Jacy & Gigi up(but not Mandy) until Gigi botched a couple of moves and decided that they needed more time. I do find it a little interesting that nobody in the company outside of Jacy, Gigi or Cora have commented on Mandy being gone.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 15, 2022 17:09:13 GMT -5
People keep explaining contracts and business when very few seem confused about why she was fired. I understand why she was fired, I think it’s hypocritical and dumb. I can think that while fully understanding WHY it happened. The last 10 pages of this thread were just weird to get through. Yeah, to quote a former Kate McKinnon SNL character: "Weknodis."
We get why she was fired. I don't even blame WWE for this specifically since a sponsor held their feet to the fire, and if it's true she was using her WWE ring name to sell softcore porn, I'd say they were even justified in doing so since now they're being directly connected to an industry they don't want anything to do with. But just because we get why something happens doesn't mean we have to agree with it. In fact, that knowledge only reinforces my particular dislike of those societal attitudes.
The last like 5 or so pages are why "It's because Business etc" has become something of a board meme whenever some people rush to defend any massive corporation or some ultra-rich chucklef***s.
I think there’s a difference between people saying the views on sex work should be different in society, and people saying a company is in the wrong for what they did and then discussing all different terrible things the company has done in the past. The discussion about sponsorships and PR and why these decisions are justified business-wise are 100% valid responses to the latter type of arguments. It gets kind of annoying that a bunch of posters then always jump in with mocking/disparaging “business is business is business” type comments.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Dec 15, 2022 17:13:44 GMT -5
Jacy won HHH over with her dance moves.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 17:16:24 GMT -5
Yeah it's not even about defending a company...it's common sense against the notion that you can basically do whatever you want as an independent contractor which is untrue. There are rules to anything you get paid for 99.9% of the time...The whole standing up for the little guy aspect is respected and understood but that isn't the case here
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2022 17:24:08 GMT -5
The business is business stuff became a talking point because of talk of contracts or how they don’t care about contracts
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2022 17:25:54 GMT -5
I just wonder if this is one of those “ we’re going to release you to calm down shareholders and Mattel. But just be patient because we will bring you back in time for the Rumble and Mania season” type things That was my original assumption. So far seems like no statement has been released in terms of disparaging her or anything like that.
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Post by Display Name on Dec 15, 2022 17:27:33 GMT -5
Yeah it's not even about defending a company...it's common sense against the notion that you can basically do whatever you want as an independent contractor which is untrue. There are rules to anything you get paid for 99.9% of the time...The whole standing up for the little guy aspect is respected and understood but that isn't the case here Yep. It’s really that simple. But, a lot of people here just like arguing. I love Mandy, but she‘s been playing with fire. I’ve been seeing the leaks over like the past month and it was only a matter of time before this happened. I think she wanted out.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 15, 2022 17:29:10 GMT -5
Has anyone made an "Every Rose does some porn" joke, yet? Perd ?
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Post by salz4life on Dec 15, 2022 17:29:45 GMT -5
I just wonder if this is one of those “ we’re going to release you to calm down shareholders and Mattel. But just be patient because we will bring you back in time for the Rumble and Mania season” type things I could definitely see this.... although this might be a Post Mania callback (maybe she appears on the post Mania Raw or Smackdown).
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Post by salz4life on Dec 15, 2022 17:31:23 GMT -5
Yeah it's not even about defending a company...it's common sense against the notion that you can basically do whatever you want as an independent contractor which is untrue. There are rules to anything you get paid for 99.9% of the time...The whole standing up for the little guy aspect is respected and understood but that isn't the case here Yep. It’s really that simple. But, a lot of people here just like arguing. I love Mandy, but she‘s been playing with fire. I’ve been seeing the leaks over like the past month and it was only a matter of time before this happened. I think she wanted out. Absolutely... I've really enjoyed her run with Toxic Attraction and I think she was developing into someone that could be a major (or right near major) player on the main roster. However, you have to understand, especially int his climate, that doing something as risque as she has been doing can come back to bite you in the a**.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 15, 2022 17:32:14 GMT -5
If a significant third-party (in this case, Mattel, apparently) demanded action be taken against Rose for this, that’s something that can happen irrespective of if Rose is an actual employee of WWE or simply an independent contractor like she was, or if Jimmy Uso actually was fired for his DUIs or if they weren’t in any business relationship with Saudi Arabia. It sucks that it’s the case, but it’s true. If nobody at Mattel complains, Rose is still holding a championship belt today, because WWE knew of this and were letting her keep going with it even after a talking to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 17:32:20 GMT -5
This is really the last time I'm going to say this because people are really not getting what I'm saying. I know this is how it works. I've said several times in several comments that I understand it. I just don't agree with it. I don't think I can be any clearer on this. You can understand that things are how they are and still think it's wrong. Its like when people say "Well, its a shareholders thing, you dont get business". I f***ing get it ,its still disgusting. I guess I just need to ask you to answer a few questions for me that way I can understand the logic going on... Without whataboutism what was disgusting about WWE releasing Mandy Rose? Especially, after she was warned, which is evident by the fact that she alluded to it on her page and then continued to post softcore porn behind a paywall... Also possibly using her ring name and notoriety to do so. In return what would WWE gain by just releasing her to set an example when they clearly had high hopes for her? I get that this forum has become very adamant regarding the "man vs. machine" outlook and that is commendable but seriously if you have ever been in a position of management enforcing rules upon your employee fn sucks but it is absolutely vital.
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Post by salz4life on Dec 15, 2022 17:32:38 GMT -5
Fightful Select had an update on Mandy Rose's termination. Basically things were very hasty and that Fightful only got word that she was going to drop the title 15 minutes before NXT went live. Mandy is in good spirits still even after being released, and was in good spirits at the show itself even though she knew she was what coming. As for Jacy and Gigi, they have had a few good looks at by the main roster, and have impressed people of influence. Mandy on the other hand, they apparently "had no advanced plans to bring her up to RAW or SD". And Mandy had signed a 5 year main roster deal in 2019, and had two years left on it. This goes with what Meltzer said last night. That there were plans to bring Jacy & Gigi up(but not Mandy) until Gigi botched a couple of moves and decided that they needed more time. I do find it a little interesting that nobody in the company outside of Jacy, Gigi or Cora have commented on Mandy being gone. Jacy and Gigi both did heartbreak emojis on Twitter. I would assume it would have to do with Mandy... but maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 15, 2022 17:36:38 GMT -5
I absolutely get why they do but it does really suck as a viewer just how much say Mattel has over what WWE does because at least for me, and I imagine the vast majority of viewers, I don't give a flying f*** about the toys and am never going to. Realities of business and all but as a viewer it does feel like it's just some irrelevant side bullshit that routinely drags down the quality of the actual show.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 15, 2022 17:37:26 GMT -5
Enforcing rules upon your employee's fn sucks but it is absolutely vital. they aren't employees, they're independent contractors
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Post by gritizen on Dec 15, 2022 17:44:37 GMT -5
This goes with what Meltzer said last night. That there were plans to bring Jacy & Gigi up(but not Mandy) until Gigi botched a couple of moves and decided that they needed more time. I do find it a little interesting that nobody in the company outside of Jacy, Gigi or Cora have commented on Mandy being gone. Jacy and Gigi both did heartbreak emojis on Twitter. I would assume it would have to do with Mandy... but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, they did. So did Cora Jade. It's just really weird to me that nobody else commented.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 17:46:47 GMT -5
Enforcing rules upon your employee's fn sucks but it is absolutely vital. they aren't employees, they're independent contractors One that signed a written agreement forbidding herself from damaging the public image of the contractor. there is no way to spin this into evil WWE
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 15, 2022 17:50:56 GMT -5
they aren't employees, they're independent contractors One that signed a written agreement forbidding herself from damaging the public image of the contractor. there is no way to spin this into evil WWE The fact that they keep on sexual abusers and rapists despite their own talent calling out on TV how you shouldn't google their names, but this is somehow the breaking point. That's where WWE seem evil as a result.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 17:51:23 GMT -5
I absolutely get why they do but it does really suck as a viewer just how much say Mattel has over what WWE does because at least for me, and I imagine the vast majority of viewers, I don't give a flying f*** about the toys and am never going to. Realities of business and all but as a viewer it does feel like it's just some irrelevant side bullshit that routinely drags down the quality of the actual show. Yeah it's absolutely insane how many hands are really in WWE's cookie jar as a publicly traded company... All the togetherness that aew and other shows display is because the entire thing isn't so micro-managed from every conceivable aspect. I am not mad at you guys here at FAN or trying to start some war of attrition for feeling bad for Mandy and thinking after all of the crap that has happened over the years that this one is a bit weak but still these things are necessary to maintain the corporate aspect of the company for better or worse. Unfortunately for WWE there is absolutely no going back from where they are as a public company...They are simply too big.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 17:55:05 GMT -5
One that signed a written agreement forbidding herself from damaging the public image of the contractor. there is no way to spin this into evil WWE The fact that they keep on sexual abusers and rapists despite their own talent calling out on TV how you shouldn't google their names, but this is somehow the breaking point. That's where WWE seem evil as a result. If those people (staff and fellow workers) were found guilty of doing that then they would most likely not be in those positions is the thing. I am not saying Vince and others did not do what they did regarding the sexual aspects but none of them have stood trial. She is immediately guilty because we have unadulterated proof that it happened and that is unfortunately how big business works. When it becomes too big to ignore you have to do something. That was the case with Mandy as well as Vince.
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