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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 15, 2022 17:56:39 GMT -5
there is no way to spin this into evil WWE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 17:59:23 GMT -5
there is no way to spin this into evil WWE Not even sure what your alluding to...sorry
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 15, 2022 18:02:40 GMT -5
Would Rose being an employee have made any difference in this specific scenario? From what I can gather, WWE would be legally obligated to disclose to Rose why she was being cut, but I might need some explanation as to what might be some other differences. Would there be no “morality clause” in the contract to breach, for example?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 18:09:51 GMT -5
Would Rose being an employee have made any difference in this specific scenario? From what I can gather, WWE would be legally obligated to disclose to Rose why she was being cut, but I might need some explanation as to what might be some other differences. Would there be no “morality clause” in the contract to breach, for example? From my perspective, unless they were unionized her actions would have violated both an employee's code of conduct and independent contractors. If they were unionized representatives not unlike lawyers would fight for her employment status based on the situation. Unions themselves are their own world of good and bad. Lots of crazy politics in unions but typically job security is of the utmost importance. There would be a complete and formal internal HR department as well (if there isn't already. I would assume there are people appointed to those positions most likely but they have no day to day interactions with talent besides the "Head of Talent Relations" who is most always a "wrestling" guy)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2022 18:29:00 GMT -5
Would Rose being an employee have made any difference in this specific scenario? From what I can gather, WWE would be legally obligated to disclose to Rose why she was being cut, but I might need some explanation as to what might be some other differences. Would there be no “morality clause” in the contract to breach, for example? From my perspective, unless they were unionized her actions would have violated both an employee's code of conduct and independent contractors. If they were unionized representatives not unlike lawyers would fight for her employment status based on the situation. Unions themselves are their own world of good and bad. Lots of crazy politics in unions but typically job security is of the utmost importance. There would be a complete and formal internal HR department as well (if there isn't already. I would assume there are people appointed to those positions most likely but they have no day to day interactions with talent) Yea, pretty much this. If she was an employee and part of a union then this would be a diff talk because unions will fight for your job whether you are right or wrong as that is their job. Look at the Deshaun Watson situation in the NFL and how that has played out If wrestlers banded together and really got the Union they need, they would have the industry in a death grip. Be able to negotiate how much they make off revenue, health care, etc
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 15, 2022 18:29:12 GMT -5
This thread is gonna hit 54 pages by this weekend, isn't it? ASYLUMHAUSEN
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 18:37:09 GMT -5
From my perspective, unless they were unionized her actions would have violated both an employee's code of conduct and independent contractors. If they were unionized representatives not unlike lawyers would fight for her employment status based on the situation. Unions themselves are their own world of good and bad. Lots of crazy politics in unions but typically job security is of the utmost importance. There would be a complete and formal internal HR department as well (if there isn't already. I would assume there are people appointed to those positions most likely but they have no day to day interactions with talent) Yea, pretty much this. If she was an employee and part of a union then this would be a diff talk because unions will fight for your job whether you are right or wrong as that is their job. Look at the Deshaun Watson situation in the NFL and how that has played out If wrestlers banded together and really got the Union they need, they would have the industry in a death grip. Be able to negotiate how much they make off revenue, health care, etc But here is where it gets hazy from my understanding... WWE is a public company and a union would have to be devised within their own company. An independent wrestlers union would have no barring on day to day operations of WWE. Until the very workers within WWE itself make this change and WWE chooses to do business with that newly formed entity instead of replacing them can this situation occur. Also after the union is established it would still only affect the payouts of WWE. AEW would negotiate its own payouts with that union. Companies will always have the option of going independent however and some workers may find solace in that. Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley are two notable NBA players who were not members of the union. Just sharing really but it's an interesting situation that something like this could help spur
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 15, 2022 18:41:19 GMT -5
People keep explaining contracts and business when very few seem confused about why she was fired. I understand why she was fired, I think it’s hypocritical and dumb. I can think that while fully understanding WHY it happened. The last 10 pages of this thread were just weird to get through. I think the Internet has conditioned many people to think every conversation is an argument. NO IT HASN'T!
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 15, 2022 18:46:49 GMT -5
I think most of us here get why she was cut and understand the reasoning. It's just some of us are just annoyed that crap like this is what gets someone released when there are so many more far more deserving to be let go. Not that we're calling for people to be released, but there seem to be instances in the last couple years where someone has done or has been accused of much worse and got a slap on the hand. Plus the inherit stigma porn has that a lot of us hate led to this firing as well.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 15, 2022 18:48:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 19:05:16 GMT -5
I’m not scrolling through 54 pages, so I don’t know if it was mentioned here but there’s been people been talking about double standards… about other “PG type policies“ being broken, if it’s true she had to option to take it down and didn’t, and Jimmy Uso completed the mandated requirements for his DUIs… I get it.
But also….
f*** Jimmy Uso.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2022 19:17:11 GMT -5
Yea, pretty much this. If she was an employee and part of a union then this would be a diff talk because unions will fight for your job whether you are right or wrong as that is their job. Look at the Deshaun Watson situation in the NFL and how that has played out If wrestlers banded together and really got the Union they need, they would have the industry in a death grip. Be able to negotiate how much they make off revenue, health care, etc But here is where it gets hazy from my understanding... WWE is a public company and a union would have to be devised within their own company. An independent wrestlers union would have no barring on day to day operations of WWE. Until the very workers within WWE itself make this change and WWE chooses to do business with that newly formed entity instead of replacing them can this situation occur. Also after the union is established it would still only affect the payouts of WWE. AEW would negotiate its own payouts with that union. Companies will always have the option of going independent however and some workers may find solace in that. Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley are two notable NBA players who were not members of the union. Just sharing really but it's an interesting situation that something like this could help spur If you want any type of worldwide movement for a Union, it would have to start with WWE as a standard in order for others to buy in. Realistically, AEW could start that movement as well and put pressure on others but no one is taking that leap until someone else takes that first step Independents is a much tougher sell but as you'd basically be revamping the whole system and they def not doing that but if WWE, Impact, AEW had it then as a wrestler you'd feel more secure. There is a lot of smart and eventually someone will be able to get thru that threshold but it is still a tall task Hell, look at how long Minor League baseball was fighting to be part of the Union and just made it there this year
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 15, 2022 19:29:58 GMT -5
Shawn “I Posed for Playgirl” Michaels.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 19:37:33 GMT -5
Shawn “I Posed for Playgirl” Michaels. and had many of his own Sunny days and Marine bar crawls.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 15, 2022 19:39:42 GMT -5
Shawn “I Posed for Playgirl” Michaels.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 15, 2022 19:41:52 GMT -5
From my perspective, unless they were unionized her actions would have violated both an employee's code of conduct and independent contractors. If they were unionized representatives not unlike lawyers would fight for her employment status based on the situation. Unions themselves are their own world of good and bad. Lots of crazy politics in unions but typically job security is of the utmost importance. There would be a complete and formal internal HR department as well (if there isn't already. I would assume there are people appointed to those positions most likely but they have no day to day interactions with talent) Yea, pretty much this. If she was an employee and part of a union then this would be a diff talk because unions will fight for your job whether you are right or wrong as that is their job. Look at the Deshaun Watson situation in the NFL and how that has played out If wrestlers banded together and really got the Union they need, they would have the industry in a death grip. Be able to negotiate how much they make off revenue, health care, etc The part I wonder about is, would insurance companies be willing to insure the talent in an industry where injury is practically guaranteed?
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 15, 2022 19:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 19:47:07 GMT -5
Yea, pretty much this. If she was an employee and part of a union then this would be a diff talk because unions will fight for your job whether you are right or wrong as that is their job. Look at the Deshaun Watson situation in the NFL and how that has played out If wrestlers banded together and really got the Union they need, they would have the industry in a death grip. Be able to negotiate how much they make off revenue, health care, etc The part I wonder about is, would insurance companies be willing to insure the talent in an industry where injury is practically guaranteed? Absolutely not but they wouldn't be outright denied...Their premiums would be astronomical and would be a situation where if unionized they would have to negotiate percentages of payment for said injuries. This would also allow them to receive medical care outside of WWE's team of doctors and still be covered by their agreement.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2022 19:51:11 GMT -5
Yea, pretty much this. If she was an employee and part of a union then this would be a diff talk because unions will fight for your job whether you are right or wrong as that is their job. Look at the Deshaun Watson situation in the NFL and how that has played out If wrestlers banded together and really got the Union they need, they would have the industry in a death grip. Be able to negotiate how much they make off revenue, health care, etc The part I wonder about is, would insurance companies be willing to insure the talent in an industry where injury is practically guaranteed? The cost would def be insane. As said they will probably be paying a percentage to their own cost but that's where the Unions would kick in a well with making sure the wrestlers get more pay That is something they would have to really have a talk with someone like the NFL considering they are a high contact sport with major injuries
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