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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 14, 2022 13:15:41 GMT -5
Is it that shocking that a company wouldn’t want their talent selling nude photos of them engaged in sex acts and posting them on the internet? I agree to an extent, but as others have rightfully pointed out in this thread, they've also done the same shit for years and years while also pretending that their talent are employees when they're not. How does the employee part of it relate? They’ve seemingly loosened up on allowing outside sources of income like Twitch and the site Mandy was on and I don’t think she was released for having a site to make money. Just seems like they still have a morality clause to it.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 14, 2022 13:16:52 GMT -5
On one hand, yes she had been told to stop and kept going. On the other hand, WWE has a history of exploitation of it's workers (HLA, Playboy, Kiss my Ass Club). Plus they're "independent contractors" in the first place, let them have their side hustle. Hell, I'm pretty plugged into the internet and I only just now learned of her stuff. I doubt little kids were going to find out or anything. All it takes is one whistleblower going to the media and it becomes a news story. It's less about the little kids finding out and more about the adults who have the little kids finding out. It's definitely stupid, but that's my sense of how this shit has always worked. So what? Perhaps those same people should Google “Sarah Logan Boogaloo” while they’re at it.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 14, 2022 13:17:53 GMT -5
Is it that shocking that a company wouldn’t want their talent selling nude photos of them engaged in sex acts and posting them on the internet for money? I mean. I know it’s easier to stand on the side of the talent. But for me personally the more I saw what was happening on the site the more I was like, yeah I can kinda see why they don’t want to be associated with it? Like nude pictures is one thing but I can’t imagine the blowback if some big news org caught wind of a top wrestler doing dick ratings and offering sexting services. It’s prudish but that’s the kind of PR companies try to avoid. So while I don’t agree with it in the general sense, I get it. Sorta.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 14, 2022 13:18:32 GMT -5
Tony has a huge announcement coming! But she will fund that, as is so often the case with us guys, particularly the rich ones, his announcement is if underwhelming proportion.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 14, 2022 13:18:37 GMT -5
Also worth noting that most of these sites require age verification to see the content posted, unless it's leaked without the person's consent. So it's not like she was putting explicit stuff out there for everyone to see who wasn't already looking at sites built and marketed for adult content.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 14, 2022 13:18:42 GMT -5
I don't feel sorry for Mandy, but I do think it is absolute BS that someone can get fired for this when they're an independent contractor and there are people with multiple DUIs still on the roster. Plus all of those accused of domestic and sexual abuse. Where are the contract clauses and angry sponsors regarding that?
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Post by Killah Ray on Dec 14, 2022 13:18:44 GMT -5
All it takes is one whistleblower going to the media and it becomes a news story. It's less about the little kids finding out and more about the adults who have the little kids finding out. It's definitely stupid, but that's my sense of how this shit has always worked. So what? So no one talent is worth potentially losing out on advertising revenue is how I guess they feel about it.
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Post by Facetious on Dec 14, 2022 13:19:59 GMT -5
They aren't making the kind of money Mandy is making. Sex work is insane money I will die on the hill Mandy was making nowhere near the top level money that some sex workers do and I mean the absoloute 1% I knew a woman who was making 50 to 100k a month as a cam model. So unless Mandy was on a cam site and getting atleast 90k viewers every night she was on and those guys and gals were hittin her with 5000 every single time they gave her money I would have no doubt those that were named make more on twitch than Mandy does as a supposed sex worker. I guarantee she wasn't, but if she was warned repeatedly to stop and didn't, I guarantee she had to have been making good enough money to not stop. And it can only be up from here now that's she is free to do what she wants
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Post by XIII on Dec 14, 2022 13:22:17 GMT -5
WWE: “don’t post sexual content behind a paywall online.”
Also WWE: “we’re going to leave you in Saudi because we pissed off MBS while all of the top people fly back home”(granted this Vince’s old tired ass but still)
LMAO at the buffoonery.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 14, 2022 13:22:19 GMT -5
Also worth noting that most of these sites require age verification to see the content posted, unless it's leaked without the person's consent. So it's not like she was putting explicit stuff out there for everyone to see who wasn't already looking at sites built and marketed for adult content. I guess, but it’s not some give us your social and ID rock solid check.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 14, 2022 13:22:36 GMT -5
All it takes is one whistleblower going to the media and it becomes a news story. It's less about the little kids finding out and more about the adults who have the little kids finding out. It's definitely stupid, but that's my sense of how this shit has always worked. So what? Perhaps those same people should Google “Sarah Logan Boogaloo” while they’re at it. I am with you and I just want to be clear that I'm not like "WWE is completely right for taking this action," I'm just trying to explain the rationale. It's very, very clear that the way they handle stuff is inconsistent.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 14, 2022 13:23:30 GMT -5
It’s complete bullshit they this is what gets someone fired and not drink driving and being a sex pest. No amount of “Golly gee, we can’t have nudity. Think of the children!” explains that away.
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Post by DichEvans on Dec 14, 2022 13:24:15 GMT -5
WWE seems to be behind the ball on this
There are UFC, Pro (top 100) tennis/golfers, business women, firefighters and many more women who post much more racy content. While the biggest female athlete in the world Ronda Rousey posed nude in ESPN's Body Issue. It was literally more revealing than anything on Mandy's feed
and if WWE wants to go to the "we're Marvel/Disney" thing, many of those actors have been nude in various other acting projects.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 14, 2022 13:24:51 GMT -5
weird decision given they used to have this c*** on TV every week
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Post by Tiiulicious on Dec 14, 2022 13:24:54 GMT -5
WWE is a deeply misogynistic company. Let's just all face facts here. They wouldn't fire Seth Rollins, if he started doing OnlyFans. They keep people on the payroll, who have committed rape and domestic abuse. Men getting constant DUI's always get second, third, fourth, fifth chances.
Mandy's nsfw stuff was leaked less than 48hrs ago and she gets fired. How long did it take them to fire Velveteen Dream, after he'd been credibly accused of abusive criminal behavior? A year? Why is posting softcorn porn worse for advertisers than being a proven sexual predator?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 14, 2022 13:25:15 GMT -5
By the way, if she plays it right and markets it right, this is going to make her more money in one month than she made from WWE in one year.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 14, 2022 13:25:52 GMT -5
Does this mean I can't do my impression of her Italian stereotype dad any more?
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 14, 2022 13:26:00 GMT -5
WWE: “don’t post sexual content behind a paywall online.” Also WWE: “we’re going to leave you in Saudi because we pissed off MBS while all of the top people fly back home”(granted this Vince’s old tired ass but still) LMAO at the buffoonery. Not sure why the response to hey maybe the talent shouldn’t be doing this is to just say “what about this?” regarding everything else that happens. It can both be justified here and also inconsistent on the company’s part when it comes to other things.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 14, 2022 13:26:17 GMT -5
While the biggest female athlete in the world Ronda Rousey posed nude in ESPN's Body Issue. It was literally more revealing than anything on Mandy's feed Nah dawg. Lol. I’ve seen the shit. There’s other examples. That one ain’t it. Not even close.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 14, 2022 13:26:34 GMT -5
All that's true, too. There's a lot of this that we still don't really know about yet. But I'll stand by my view that this seems like a minor reason to fire someone regardless of the context compared to consistently putting lives in danger in a motor vehicle. Hot take, I know. I read something that said that nobody's wrong here and when you look at it in a vacuum, that's right, but you're right to point out that the way they handle "talent misconduct" is, well, uh, inconsistent, to say the least. I recognize that "talent misconduct" also doesn't properly describe the Uso's behavior. It's one of the reasons why the Pandemic firings, or even the sprees they used to do before the hoarding era, annoyed me (removing the humanity aspect of it). You can't expect to put out an image of cost-cutting and getting rid of people who, for one reason or another, still wanted to be there and then be like "You, Luke Harper/Mustafa Ali/Insert Name of someone else here, you're staying even though financially it makes more sense for us to cut you and you clearly want to leave". Like, there's obviously more to it than that and a real aside from the topic but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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