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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 14, 2022 13:37:05 GMT -5
It's important to point out inconsistencies because that's a window into the company's priorities. If a company is enforcing a "moral clause" in contracts in certain cases and not others, we should look into it and ask questions. This doesn't justify what Mandy did one way or another but it should be a point of discussion. Exactly. Like, there's a difference between Mandy Rose putting pictures of herself naked on a paid service and Mandy Rose crashing into someone's car because she drank too much and didn't want to hire an Uber but if both are bad and going to blowback on the company, both should be bad. It's not even Whataboutism as much as wondering what would need to happen to affect a company's image because it's all over the place. Yeah it makes sense to post some comparisons I guess. But there’s also the fact that WWE seemingly doesn’t condone the DUI’s and drug issues and has offered rehab or fired to talent in the past. As far as we know, this wasn’t a one strike and you’re out deal for Mandy as people mentioned she’d intimated on her site that higher ups had gotten wind of her site so there’d seemingly been forewarning.
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Post by griti kitty on Dec 14, 2022 13:37:36 GMT -5
While the biggest female athlete in the world Ronda Rousey posed nude in ESPN's Body Issue. It was literally more revealing than anything on Mandy's feed Nah dawg. Lol. I’ve seen the shit. There’s other examples. That one ain’t it. Not even close. Yeah, there's nobody even close to compare the Mandy situation too. It's comparing apples to oranges. You can be upset about the hypocrisy of them promoting Mandy's sexiness and then firing her doing it on her own. Like the character she portrayed would have an OnlyFans. A couple of months ago they showed a tweet of her posing nude with both women's titles but that is still tame compared to what she posted on her site.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 14, 2022 13:38:30 GMT -5
I don't blame the WWE for trying to be the moral company, they have Saudis and 3%ers to answer to after all.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 14, 2022 13:39:13 GMT -5
WWE: “don’t post sexual content behind a paywall online.” Also WWE: “we’re going to leave you in Saudi because we pissed off MBS while all of the top people fly back home”(granted this Vince’s old tired ass but still) LMAO at the buffoonery. Not sure why the response to hey maybe the talent shouldn’t be doing this is to just say “what about this?” regarding everything else that happens. It can both be justified here and also inconsistent on the company’s part when it comes to other things. Because being ok with stuff like multiple DUIs and sexual assault allegations, which cause real harm, but firing people for posting nude pictures, which only causes boners, is a morally untenable position to start from.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 14, 2022 13:40:17 GMT -5
Murdering of Journalist and oppresion of womens right:
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Women having the right of their own bodies:
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Post by 4real on Dec 14, 2022 13:40:54 GMT -5
Well this has happened very fast hasn’t it? (Sure there’s a joke in there somewhere)
I would imagine she will be back when things have resolved themselves. But who knows. I hope for the best for Gigi & Jacy. Would Sonya maybe become their permanent manager instead?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 14, 2022 13:41:38 GMT -5
Sounds like one of those "deliberately trying to get fired" things
FWIW sex work is work and it's really dumb that shit like this is still stigmatized
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 14, 2022 13:42:30 GMT -5
Exactly. Like, there's a difference between Mandy Rose putting pictures of herself naked on a paid service and Mandy Rose crashing into someone's car because she drank too much and didn't want to hire an Uber but if both are bad and going to blowback on the company, both should be bad. It's not even Whataboutism as much as wondering what would need to happen to affect a company's image because it's all over the place. Yeah it makes sense to post some comparisons I guess. But there’s also the fact that WWE seemingly doesn’t condone the DUI’s and drug issues and has offered rehab or fired to talent in the past. As far as we know, this wasn’t a one strike and you’re out deal for Mandy as people mentioned she’d intimated on her site that higher ups had gotten wind of her site so there’d seemingly been forewarning. It's hard to defend WWE when they don't take people off TV for DUIs, though. Jimmy didn't get pulled after his last DUI. It basically infers that WWE finds someone posting nudes more of an offense than potentially killing somebody, which, not great. If they warn somebody not to do something, then yes, it's within their rights to pull somebody from TV, but the punishment should be consistent. I think that in this instance, if they asked her to pull them down and she chose not to, it's within her rights to keep them up but also within WWE's rights to fire her, but then they should also be taking similar action with others and they're not.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 14, 2022 13:44:59 GMT -5
Everyone here is focusing on the content Mandy Rose was producing, but I'm wondering if this development is like that story from a couple of years ago about WWE cracking down on wrestlers making money for themselves, and not WWE, on Twitch. In recent years, the company has seemed willing to look away from wrestlers doing side-gigs, but onlu up to the point when WWE wants what it feels is its cut, even though the wrestlers are supposedly independent contractors. I'm unsure how much the content of what was being made and sold matters here. Dakota Kai, Mia Yim and Johnny Gargano & Candice Lerae have been streaming on Twitch so it ain't that. Thing worth pointing out is unless something has changed since, WWE's last approach was "you can stream but we get a cut of your profit
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Post by pinja on Dec 14, 2022 13:45:04 GMT -5
But what happens if parents show their children Mandy porn after school? That would be an unforgettable luncheon and totally Mandy's fault.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 14, 2022 13:45:30 GMT -5
I less blame WWE specifically and more blame this puritan-ass society that makes consensual sex work so taboo to begin with.
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Post by Facetious on Dec 14, 2022 13:45:41 GMT -5
Yeah it makes sense to post some comparisons I guess. But there’s also the fact that WWE seemingly doesn’t condone the DUI’s and drug issues and has offered rehab or fired to talent in the past. As far as we know, this wasn’t a one strike and you’re out deal for Mandy as people mentioned she’d intimated on her site that higher ups had gotten wind of her site so there’d seemingly been forewarning. It's hard to defend WWE when they don't take people off TV for DUIs, though. Jimmy didn't get pulled after his last DUI. It basically infers that WWE finds someone posting nudes more of an offense than potentially killing somebody, which, not great. If they warn somebody not to do something, then yes, it's within their rights to pull somebody from TV, but the punishment should be consistent. I think that in this instance, if they asked her to pull them down and she chose not to, it's within her rights to keep them up but also within WWE's rights to fire her, but then they should also be taking similar action with others and they're not. Plus didn't Riddle piss hot in August and they JUST pulled him? He was given key wins too if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 14, 2022 13:48:41 GMT -5
Like, the situations mentioned here aren't the same thing (and for as much as what the Saudis have done relates to WWE, it doesn't have to do with WWE as a company so bringing it up doesn't quite feel right here as much as the messaging rings true), it's more like setting the standard for what complies as something that would comply with a so-called Morality clause. Because right now it seems to be
1) Sell subscriptions of yourself doing softcore porn (which shouldn't be their business but the term "independent contractor" means whatever the richest person says it means) 2) Taking a picture of yourself with a Hitler mustache (dumb by itself but also didn't help by claiming ignorance about Hitler) 3) Having so many accusations coming from Speaking Out that the roster turns on you publicly and forces the higher-ups to fire you (I call this the El Ligero Clause)
Everything else seems to be entirely fine from what I've seen. I'm not even saying people should get fired for every minor case or whatnot because there has to be a limit or an opportunity for change and rehab etc but, like, there has to be some consistency here.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 14, 2022 13:48:50 GMT -5
WWE stays bullshit. Fire the white supremacist you just hired back then. Sponsors care more about sex I guess because the CEOs are probably of that ilk anyway.
Hopefully she can succeed without them. I’m more on the side of “good for her” I guess.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 14, 2022 13:50:20 GMT -5
Yeah it makes sense to post some comparisons I guess. But there’s also the fact that WWE seemingly doesn’t condone the DUI’s and drug issues and has offered rehab or fired to talent in the past. As far as we know, this wasn’t a one strike and you’re out deal for Mandy as people mentioned she’d intimated on her site that higher ups had gotten wind of her site so there’d seemingly been forewarning. It's hard to defend WWE when they don't take people off TV for DUIs, though. Jimmy didn't get pulled after his last DUI. It basically infers that WWE finds someone posting nudes more of an offense than potentially killing somebody, which, not great. If they warn somebody not to do something, then yes, it's within their rights to pull somebody from TV, but the punishment should be consistent. I think that in this instance, if they asked her to pull them down and she chose not to, it's within her rights to keep them up but also within WWE's rights to fire her, but then they should also be taking similar action with others and they're not. I don’t condone the DUIs and I would be zero tolerance on that if I was in charge. If I was advising the company (and if these were employees), I would advise them to treat like situations alike as much as possible. So DUIs/legal trouble I would advise to treat as equally as you can. Explicit content issues I would advise to treat as equally as you can. Maybe it’s because it’s what I do, but I have trouble wrapping my head around the apples to oranges comparison of the DUIs to the OnlyFans situation.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 14, 2022 13:51:06 GMT -5
Also that's one hell of a whiplash of going from "Year+ long NXT Women's Champion" to "fired" within a span of 24 hours.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 13:52:45 GMT -5
On the one hand, morality clauses in contracts are standard fare and no one should be surprised at WWE for exercising it if that's what happened.
On the other hand, considering the real deep dark shit that's come out about the WWE as of late, seeing Mandy Rose's nipples is just a *shrug* outta me on the shock scale.
If I thought for just one second that the WWE were some wholesome family owned business and that Steph is telling her kids not to tell Meemaw Linda to look up Mandy Rose on the Tweet machine, I'd almost buy it, but the WWE is just like any other large-scale billion dollar company who only has morals when they make for good PR.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 14, 2022 13:52:51 GMT -5
Also that's one hell of a whiplash of going from "Year+ long NXT Women's Champion" to "fired" within a span of 24 hours. I mean, I guess at least it gave Roxanne some credibility, but definitely happened fast.
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Post by JIMBOB on Dec 14, 2022 13:53:04 GMT -5
Thats actually shocking. Im not a fan of hers but man what the hell was she posting that was against WWE parameters? I had wondered if she’d get in trouble for this.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Dec 14, 2022 13:53:33 GMT -5
Sounds like one of those "deliberately trying to get fired" things FWIW sex work is work and it's really dumb that shit like this is still stigmatized
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