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Post by Chiral on Dec 25, 2022 23:03:08 GMT -5
I just remembered this thing Meltzer said as well:
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Post by Andew9001 on Dec 25, 2022 23:28:38 GMT -5
Could Uncle Howdy be a way to introduce someone new that Bray might manage? He did a bit of that for Harper and Rowan in NXT while he was rehabbing an injury. His character has always been his main strength. I can't imagine someone wrestling in that full Uncle Howdy getup... but we'll see. "Not with that attitude!" - Bo Dallas.....possibly
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Post by SneakMan on Dec 25, 2022 23:39:41 GMT -5
Thinking about Uncle Howdy doing a dropdown and hitting a back suplex makes me rly happy This for some reason gave me the mental image of Bray on Tough Enough. *Triple H walks up to Bray, who is in full Uncle Howdy regalia* "Take a bump. Flatback. Oh and uh one of your nuts is hanging out of your shorts."
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 25, 2022 23:41:17 GMT -5
Remember when it was said that AEW never really had much interest in signing Bray and a lot of us thought that sounded like it was BS? Maybe there was truth in that because of this. It is strange he didn't do anything wrestling-wise between his WWE stints.
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Post by XIII on Dec 25, 2022 23:54:04 GMT -5
What injury would he even have to keep him from doing much for two years though? He has a knee brace but that’s not a two year injury. Unless it was a neck deal, but even so that should be sorted after all of this time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 26, 2022 0:03:05 GMT -5
Remember when it was said that AEW never really had much interest in signing Bray and a lot of us thought that sounded like it was BS? Maybe there was truth in that because of this. It is strange he didn't do anything wrestling-wise between his WWE stints. I mean given what we're now just seeing with Carlos Correa in sports? Yeah, injuries can really come up and f*** up an entire situation, especially when signing people It's starting to look like AEW either didn't sign him or saw what he was dealing with and backed off due to an injury, and as you said, he kinda just disappeared His WWE return was awesome, but it's becoming more and more evident that something is wrong, because his shit is going nowhere. I remember there being a rumor he was gonna lead a faction with Vincent and his crew from ROH, but nothing's come of that either. At least that would give Bray people to wrestle for him if he can't and we can move shit in some direction...
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 26, 2022 0:10:10 GMT -5
If Bray can't wrestle, then it needs to pivot to someone who can ASAP because right now, the dude is just taking up TV time that could go to someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 0:16:32 GMT -5
This thread makes so much sense and I never even contemplated that Bray's issues may be more serious health wise either injury or long term illness than it being mental health and bad booking. Not that the two prior aren't parts of it but it's extremely possible the later is true as well. The doppleganger at 37 is even more wild as I never even heard that rumor.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 26, 2022 0:33:23 GMT -5
If he's still hurt and has been unable to wrestle this long then why hire him back to begin with? Just feels like it would be a waste of time and money.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 26, 2022 0:37:16 GMT -5
If he's still hurt and has been unable to wrestle this long then why hire him back to begin with? Just feels like it would be a waste of time and money. Bringing him back was good for buzz and implying to audiences that the new regime was going to invest in popular acts. Same reason Io and Dakota were brought in immediately. They were very good moves for audience goodwill, regardless of where WWE was taking either act afterward.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 26, 2022 1:11:50 GMT -5
If he's still hurt and has been unable to wrestle this long then why hire him back to begin with? Just feels like it would be a waste of time and money. Bringing him back was good for buzz and implying to audiences that the new regime was going to invest in popular acts. Same reason Io and Dakota were brought in immediately. They were very good moves for audience goodwill, regardless of where WWE was taking either act afterward. Ok that's all well and good but that doesn't solve the problem of then what? Goodwill and buzz doesn't isn't worth the sacrifice of paying a guy I would assume an extremely high salary to cut boring promos every week while never being able to wrestle. Just wait until he's good to go then bring him back or don't at all. He was gone like a year and a half and AEW made no move on him so he probably wasn't going anywhere.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 26, 2022 1:47:53 GMT -5
Bringing him back was good for buzz and implying to audiences that the new regime was going to invest in popular acts. Same reason Io and Dakota were brought in immediately. They were very good moves for audience goodwill, regardless of where WWE was taking either act afterward. Ok that's all well and good but that doesn't solve the problem of then what? Goodwill and buzz doesn't isn't worth the sacrifice of paying a guy I would assume an extremely high salary to cut boring promos every week while never being able to wrestle. Just wait until he's good to go then bring him back or don't at all. He was gone like a year and a half and AEW made no move on him so he probably wasn't going anywhere. Oh I agree - I just also can see how Triple H was in a position where he could see disproportionate benefit from making some half-baked moves immediately because he needed to impress Wall Street.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 26, 2022 2:21:09 GMT -5
Ok that's all well and good but that doesn't solve the problem of then what? Goodwill and buzz doesn't isn't worth the sacrifice of paying a guy I would assume an extremely high salary to cut boring promos every week while never being able to wrestle. Just wait until he's good to go then bring him back or don't at all. He was gone like a year and a half and AEW made no move on him so he probably wasn't going anywhere. Oh I agree - I just also can see how Triple H was in a position where he could see disproportionate benefit from making some half-baked moves immediately because he needed to impress Wall Street. Come to think of it of all the rehires Triple H has done have any of them been useful or handled well? Only exception I can think of is Dakota who they wisely paired with an established star in Bayley and to her credit has also performed well while being part of a heavily featured act. I guess maybe Braun but he's still an arrogant big mouth meathead who can't stop getting in his own way which was a big reason why they soured on him last time. Everyone else it's sending out people cold and expecting fans to take to them despite the fact they're talents whom aren't exactly house hold names that were either pretty much exclusively on NXT (Candice, Tegan, Mia) or have been gone for a very long time and weren't pushed at on the main roster when they were there (Emma). Can't be used in a useful manner because they might be physically incapable of doing so (Bray). Or just flat out aren't working (Kross/Scarlett, Hit Row).
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 26, 2022 2:23:28 GMT -5
Oh I agree - I just also can see how Triple H was in a position where he could see disproportionate benefit from making some half-baked moves immediately because he needed to impress Wall Street. Come to think of it of all the rehires Triple H has done have any of them been useful or handled well? Only exception I can think of is Dakota who they wisely paired with an established star in Bayley and to her credit has also performed well while being part of a heavily featured act. I guess maybe Braun but he's still an arrogant big mouth meathead who can't stop getting in his own way which was a big reason why they soured on him last time. Everyone else it's sending out people cold and expecting fans to take to them despite the fact they're talents whom aren't exactly house hold names that were either pretty much exclusively on NXT (Candice, Tegan, Mia) or have been gone for a very long time and weren't pushed at on the main roster when they were there (Emma). Can't be used in a useful manner because they might be physically incapable of doing so (Bray). Or just flat out aren't working (Kross/Scarlett, Hit Row). I do think Dakota might be the only Triple H rehire I'd go, "Yeah, that's working," and that's despite Damage CTRL itself being utterly terrible.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 26, 2022 2:31:47 GMT -5
If he's still hurt and has been unable to wrestle this long then why hire him back to begin with? Just feels like it would be a waste of time and money. So the original rumor was that he was signing back to man the stable of Vincent and Dutch of ROH fame (Vincent manned a cultish stable at his height in The Righteous), no clue if that would have included Bateman or Vita VonStarr, but Vincent and Dutch were seen in NXT crowds at one point, and the rumor was they'd be the new faction with Bray (People thought that's who were in the Funhouse getups when he redebuted) So far though, that's been a nothingburger, and Uncle Howdy being Bo is also a rumor until proven otherwise, but the entire point of Bray seemed to be he'd be forming a faction with Uncle Howdy (Maybe Bo Dallas?), getting Alexa back, and then Vincent and Dutch (Maybe Dutch would be the trademarked "Uncle Harper"?) Again this is all rumors and not guaranteed to have ever been the actual plan, but if you surround Bray with a faction it would definitely HELP the storylines progress because you give them people to fight and at the very least overcome and give Bray followers to send after people, and if he's injured current and not cleared to work, they really need it, because they're spinning their wheels... but it's not a trigger they're pulling right now, if it even is what they're inevitably planning for. But it seemed pretty weird to have three Funhouse geared people and one Fiend and not be teasing more of a faction since.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 26, 2022 2:34:26 GMT -5
Come to think of it of all the rehires Triple H has done have any of them been useful or handled well? Only exception I can think of is Dakota who they wisely paired with an established star in Bayley and to her credit has also performed well while being part of a heavily featured act. I guess maybe Braun but he's still an arrogant big mouth meathead who can't stop getting in his own way which was a big reason why they soured on him last time. Everyone else it's sending out people cold and expecting fans to take to them despite the fact they're talents whom aren't exactly house hold names that were either pretty much exclusively on NXT (Candice, Tegan, Mia) or have been gone for a very long time and weren't pushed at on the main roster when they were there (Emma). Can't be used in a useful manner because they might be physically incapable of doing so (Bray). Or just flat out aren't working (Kross/Scarlett, Hit Row). I do think Dakota might be the only Triple H rehire I'd go, "Yeah, that's working," and that's despite Damage CTRL itself being utterly terrible. Lumis was working, for like three weeks, then the Miz feud went off the rails, and Gargano went with it... and it's not improving. I'd say Mia Yim's working? She was also faking seizures in her first WWE run so being a part of the Bullet Club-ish and being called MITCHIN all the time is probably a step up even then.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 26, 2022 2:36:45 GMT -5
Sorry for multiple posts but the thread also got me thinking, remember how we thought Bray's return promo was a bit weird how he was SO emotional and like seemed to go off script with how much he missed WWE and missed wrestling and missed us?
Kinda wonder if part of that was fueled by the fact he's battling an injury that is still keeping him out of the ring or might be career threatening, and it came out when he came back most of all. Especially since Wyatt had gone damn near radio silent for over a year.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 26, 2022 2:43:32 GMT -5
If he's still hurt and has been unable to wrestle this long then why hire him back to begin with? Just feels like it would be a waste of time and money. So the original rumor was that he was signing back to man the stable of Vincent and Dutch of ROH fame (Vincent manned a cultish stable at his height in The Righteous), no clue if that would have included Bateman or Vita VonStarr, but Vincent and Dutch were seen in NXT crowds at one point, and the rumor was they'd be the new faction with Bray (People thought that's who were in the Funhouse getups when he redebuted) So far though, that's been a nothingburger, and Uncle Howdy being Bo is also a rumor until proven otherwise, but the entire point of Bray seemed to be he'd be forming a faction with Uncle Howdy (Maybe Bo Dallas?), getting Alexa back, and then Vincent and Dutch (Maybe Dutch would be the trademarked "Uncle Harper"?) Again this is all rumors and not guaranteed to have ever been the actual plan, but if you surround Bray with a faction it would definitely HELP the storylines progress because you give them people to fight and at the very least overcome and give Bray followers to send after people, and if he's injured current and not cleared to work, they really need it, because they're spinning their wheels... but it's not a trigger they're pulling right now, if it even is what they're inevitably planning for. But it seemed pretty weird to have three Funhouse geared people and one Fiend and not be teasing more of a faction since. They definitely seem to be setting something up with Alexa. However they are on separate brands and don't seem to be in any hurry doing a draft so I don't know how that's going to work. If the plan is to do some sort of stable then I don't know why they taking such a slow time in putting it motion. Either way if Bray is truly injured then if anything it should be a necessity just so they can have someone who can wrestle as part of this storyline and at least be a surrogate for him. Also is he supposed to be a face or a heel? I don't watch Smackdown and Bray is someone that's never interested me at all so his storylines are always stuff I pay little attention to. I would guess he's a face since he's feuding with LA Knight. If so I doubt a stable idea is in the works unless he's switching back heel.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 26, 2022 2:53:40 GMT -5
I do think Dakota might be the only Triple H rehire I'd go, "Yeah, that's working," and that's despite Damage CTRL itself being utterly terrible. Lumis was working, for like three weeks, then the Miz feud went off the rails, and Gargano went with it... and it's not improving. I'd say Mia Yim's working? She was also faking seizures in her first WWE run so being a part of the Bullet Club-ish and being called MITCHIN all the time is probably a step up even then. I would agree Lumis that was a success and initially was the best part of Raw for a bit until they just kept dragging out this stupid Miz feud on and on for no reason. They should've just feuding for like a month with Lumis killing him and moving on. Instead we got that dumb twist with Lumis being mad about Miz stiffing him on a payoff and that him going after him was a publicity stunt. Then Gargano randomly being shoehorned into for some reason. Mia they booked the return well in that they actually had a role planned for her as being part of The Club where similar to Dakota she gets the rub of being in a stable with a big star in AJ Styles. However I haven't found her impressive in ring. I thought she was the worst person in the Wargames match at Survivor Series which was a big spot for her in that it was a big match and she was on a team with a ton of star power (Bianca, Becky, Asuka, Alexa). I would throw her in the Kross and Scarlett and Hit Row bin in that it's more a talent not producing issue then booking.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 26, 2022 6:06:02 GMT -5
Oh I agree - I just also can see how Triple H was in a position where he could see disproportionate benefit from making some half-baked moves immediately because he needed to impress Wall Street. Come to think of it of all the rehires Triple H has done have any of them been useful or handled well? Only exception I can think of is Dakota who they wisely paired with an established star in Bayley and to her credit has also performed well while being part of a heavily featured act. I guess maybe Braun but he's still an arrogant big mouth meathead who can't stop getting in his own way which was a big reason why they soured on him last time. Everyone else it's sending out people cold and expecting fans to take to them despite the fact they're talents whom aren't exactly house hold names that were either pretty much exclusively on NXT (Candice, Tegan, Mia) or have been gone for a very long time and weren't pushed at on the main roster when they were there (Emma). Can't be used in a useful manner because they might be physically incapable of doing so (Bray). Or just flat out aren't working (Kross/Scarlett, Hit Row). Well, they're not gonna fire any of them again. The issue to me is, how many of them are actually better than the people currently being pushed, and thus warrant being pushed to that level right the f*** now?
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