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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 5, 2023 9:01:30 GMT -5
Don’t look now, but old mate Dave is putting his cred on the line again by claiming that Moné is not coming in as a late swerve.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 5, 2023 9:05:44 GMT -5
Don’t look now, but old mate Dave is putting his cred on the line again by claiming that Moné is not coming in as a late swerve. The funniest thing about all this is that, in the clip at least, they don't mention what happened in the other interview where Shida was clearly offended and Renee was clearly confused about the outcome. Like...did he need Renee to turn to the camera and say "Well, Shida looks like she wants to f***ing kill her and ruin the match"? It was also weird they didn't show either segment to the audience in the arena, though? What was that about? EDIT: Also "I've had denials from people about the match", Dave? Because that's not happened previously with this stuff.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 5, 2023 9:12:31 GMT -5
I would be cautious if you see any tweets today with a quote from Dave about what is or isn't happening. He says she's not coming in but then talks for a while and goes back and forth on it so I think it ends up not being anything definitive. Basically what he has been told is this:
- People in WWE believe she is just doing this to get Japan matches out of her system and she'll be back soon. They don't think she'll do AEW because Tony would require a multiyear commitment and she couldn't go back to WWE soon if that was the case. I am sure he has heard this but I don't think this rules out an AEW run at all. Companies have been wrong many times before about what former talent may do. - Dave also said he heard from people in the match that Mercedes isn't going to be in it. This does not preclude her being there. But I also wonder, workers are going to work. People lie. I am not sure I would take that as a strong indicator either.
Bryan brought up a good point that she can come in but it's possible New Japan wanted the first match so she will debut but not wrestle until she takes on Kairi in San Jose.
I think there are a lot of possibilities here but tonight didn't give me the same impression it gave Dave who seems to be struggling to take hints more than usual. There was the Britt line. There was Renee clearly being caught off guard that Saraya would just pick Toni. There was the purposefully anticlimactic way she picked her. Where there's smoke there's fire so I am not going into next week sure of anything really.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 5, 2023 9:25:41 GMT -5
I hope she is coming in because Toni Storm doesn't deserve the bad reaction she's going to get for not being Mercedes. Even announcing it like this and putting the graphic up isn't going to be enough to prevent people thinking it's Mercedes and being angry if it isn't.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 5, 2023 9:32:37 GMT -5
If it turns out the way I, and a lot of others, think it will, I don't want to hear anyone complaining about a lack of story in pro wrestling when people can't seemingly pay attention to obvious story beats put in front of them.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 5, 2023 9:34:53 GMT -5
It would be such a letdown if it's not Mercedes. They even had Britt make not-so-subtle references to her.
If that ends in a dud, that's going to be bitterly disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 9:37:19 GMT -5
In story lastnight really made no sense for Sarray to NOT pick Mercedes especially with Renee acting the way she did because clearly she was in kayfabe wise also expecting Mercedes to be named as the partner if she is infact debuting next week.
But if this is mirroring real life then I guess it works because Mercedes does not seem like she is commiting long term to any wrestling company right now and TK does not seem like someone who would just want to bring her in for a one off and let her walk say right back into WWE.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 5, 2023 9:39:04 GMT -5
I do still think it's Mercedes but it's a possibility that they made this mystery partner match hoping she would sign with AEW but she hasn't so are pivoting to Toni instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 9:39:31 GMT -5
I hope she is coming in because Toni Storm doesn't deserve the bad reaction she's going to get for not being Mercedes. Even announcing it like this and putting the graphic up isn't going to be enough to prevent people thinking it's Mercedes and being angry if it isn't. I would feel bad for Toni Storm if that is the case.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 5, 2023 9:41:03 GMT -5
If it turns out the way I, and a lot of others, think it will, I don't want to hear anyone complaining about a lack of story in pro wrestling when people can't seemingly pay attention to obvious story beats put in front of them. Right? For god's sake, Britt wouldn't have said "boss" if it wasn't Mercedes. The red herrings were LITERALLY WEARING RED. Guys, it's Mercedes. She's either showing up to team with Saraya or at the end of the match. She'll be there. Meltzer's increasingly being fed bum info or just downright wrong.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 5, 2023 9:46:13 GMT -5
I hope she is coming in because Toni Storm doesn't deserve the bad reaction she's going to get for not being Mercedes. Even announcing it like this and putting the graphic up isn't going to be enough to prevent people thinking it's Mercedes and being angry if it isn't. I would feel bad for Toni Storm if that is the case. She's going to get that 2014 Royal Rumble Rey Mysterio reaction if Mercedes isn't replacing her next week.
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Post by Killah Ray on Jan 5, 2023 9:46:24 GMT -5
I do still think it's Mercedes but it's a possibility that they made this mystery partner match hoping she would sign with AEW but she hasn't so are pivoting to Toni instead. This could be very well true...had a verbal agreement in place and when January 1st hit maybe she got cold feet and backed out...
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 5, 2023 9:47:33 GMT -5
It was very foolish in their part to drag out “who is Saraya’s partner” this long if it just a ends up being Toni. And that is no disrespect to Toni herself.
We’ve seen variations of Toni and friend vs. Britt and Hayter repeatedly already. So why the song and dance show here?
TK is a social media guy, he should have been able to see it coming and addressed it earlier.
They literally had the perfect chance a few weeks ago to just make the announcement and nip all this in the bud.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 5, 2023 9:50:54 GMT -5
I know this is a common meme but this was literally me when Dave on Observer Radio went "I mean if you watch the show tonight, she's definitely not coming to AEW"
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 5, 2023 9:53:49 GMT -5
Okay, it's still likely to be Mercedes, but I'm starting to get a bit of a 'Cody's heel turn' vibe about all this.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 5, 2023 9:54:26 GMT -5
I know this is a common meme but this was literally me when Dave on Observer Radio went "I mean if you watch the show tonight, she's definitely not coming to AEW" Sure, I also remember watching the Dynamite where CM Punk responded to the crowd's Yes chants, said "He's coming but you'll have to wait longer" and thought "Man, Bryan Danielson really isn't coming, is he?" Like...now I feel like I'm missing something here.
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Post by mistery on Jan 5, 2023 9:56:23 GMT -5
It was very foolish in their part to drag out “who is Saraya’s partner” this long if it just a ends up being Toni. And that is no disrespect to Toni herself. We’ve seen variations of Toni and friend vs. Britt and Hayter repeatedly already. So why the song and dance show here? TK is a social media guy, he should have been able to see it coming and addressed it earlier. They literally had the perfect chance a few weeks ago to just make the announcement and nip all this in the bud. Tony, for better or for worse, is not exactly the sharpest tool in the drawer when it comes to social media etiquette. See him constantly getting into public spats with talent from the Jags, Fulham, and even wrestling. Also Dave has been adamant from pretty much the start that Mercedes isn't coming to AEW. As for Shida, it was posted by someone on reddit, but it was a good point that people seem to be overlooking. Nothing is stopping Shida from costing Saraya/Toni the match, or a post match attack either, if this is leading to anything.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 5, 2023 9:58:23 GMT -5
Also Dave has been adamant from pretty much the start that Mercedes isn't coming to AEW. Dave also didn't listen to the Grapsody interview where TK was like a kid trying to hide a crush on someone when they said a word to them at school when asked about the partner.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 5, 2023 9:58:40 GMT -5
I do hope they realize that Shida is going to get a big pop if she turns on Saraya and a heel turn is going to be an uphill battle. It can be done but it's hard.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 5, 2023 10:00:04 GMT -5
Look if it was meant to be Toni, then they should have said it was Toni two weeks or so ago when she, Saraya, Shida, Britt, and Hayter were all around ringside to end that episode of Dynamite. Just say it there.
If anything, last night made people MORE into the idea of it being Mercedes, because the set up is there.
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