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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 0:13:19 GMT -5
there was a super small Saraya chant but yes, she was easily the least popular person in the match, no doubt. I find myself torn on if I want this to snowball because one hand I find Saraya intensely unlikable but on the other her as a heel would almost 100% turn into being female Dan Lambert. guhhh. you're 100% right.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Jan 12, 2023 0:14:54 GMT -5
The whole thing has weirdly kind of won me over on her. In the past really never at all given a shit about Toni but I've kind of come around to respecting her just for how many things she's kind of made work in AEW and how much momentum she's managed to build while constantly being set up to fail. I'm glad if she has to be put in awkward positions, she's allowed to make lemonade out of it, like tonight where she put on a clinic I wouldn't say she's been constantly set up to fail in AEW, especially since she won the belt and her reign was recognized, she's constantly been presented as an upper card to world champion talent, and it's refreshing, in comparison to the other ways she was set up to fail other places. Y'know... like getting pied in the face multiple times, and not fighting back... I don't think Toni gets enough mic time or opportunities to do any real character work and that's really my only problem with the AEW run. The stuff she's had control over, she's done great with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 0:16:33 GMT -5
Toni didnt deserve this, like its clearly obvious something happened backstage...
The upside again, is that the crowd didn't turn on Toni at all, they were into the whole match The thing that got heat was the lights out for a Rampage card transition they really didn't and they WERE super into this match like i wanna make it super clear, pretty much none of the crowd was down or didnt get as excited as they normally would they were ultra hot for the match and also didn't boo all that much after the rampage card thing, it was more of a "what the f***? seriously?" moment and people moved on
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 12, 2023 0:17:41 GMT -5
I'm glad if she has to be put in awkward positions, she's allowed to make lemonade out of it, like tonight where she put on a clinic I wouldn't say she's been constantly set up to fail in AEW, especially since she won the belt and her reign was recognized, she's constantly been presented as an upper card to world champion talent, and it's refreshing, in comparison to the other ways she was set up to fail other places. Y'know... like getting pied in the face multiple times, and not fighting back... I don't think Toni gets enough mic time or opportunities to do any real character work and that's really my only problem with the AEW run. The stuff she's had control over, she's done great with. She's gotten some good promo work in, the promo after the Hayter match was really good
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 12, 2023 0:20:23 GMT -5
The upside again, is that the crowd didn't turn on Toni at all, they were into the whole match The thing that got heat was the lights out for a Rampage card transition they really didn't and they WERE super into this match like i wanna make it super clear, pretty much none of the crowd was down or didnt get as excited as they normally would they were ultra hot for the match and also didn't boo all that much after the rampage card thing, it was more of a "what the f***? seriously?" moment and people moved on Honestly I feel AEW crowds are way more understanding than a WWE one This isn't me trying to make comparisons, I just feel WWE crowds are more known to hijack shows if something doesn't go their way AEW crowds have reacted negatively to certain segments, but I feel like AEW both did a good job not leaning too hard on Sasha outside of one Britt aside, and then establishing flat out that Toni would be in the match in a segment beforehand Something clearly went wrong and Sasha was clearly the idea for the tag match, but AEW still delivered a strong women's match with plot point progression. Now the question will be if Mone just stays in Japan, or she eventually shows up in another angle.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 12, 2023 0:20:48 GMT -5
She didn’t look good here regardless. I rather they drag it out a bit, personally. Shida threw the cane in, Britt used it, Shida played it off like she didn't mean to do it. You can have good tension there that leads to a match regardless if there's a turn, get aggressions out. I disagree. After last week, there needed to be more here. Not every story needs to be a “slow burn.” Neither of them came out of this looking good.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 12, 2023 0:24:01 GMT -5
I rather they drag it out a bit, personally. Shida threw the cane in, Britt used it, Shida played it off like she didn't mean to do it. You can have good tension there that leads to a match regardless if there's a turn, get aggressions out. I disagree. After last week, there needed to be more here. Not every story needs to be a “slow burn.” Neither of them came out of this looking good. I think you're putting way too much stake into this to say neither of them came out of it "Looking good" like it progressed the storyline and Toni lost due to dirty tactics Toni was over, Shida was over, they're gonna eventually set up a match and that's also gonna be over, neither woman is suffering here because they didn't do the thing you wanted them to at the exact moment. They're absolutely gonna be fine and continue the storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 0:31:18 GMT -5
they really didn't and they WERE super into this match like i wanna make it super clear, pretty much none of the crowd was down or didnt get as excited as they normally would they were ultra hot for the match and also didn't boo all that much after the rampage card thing, it was more of a "what the f***? seriously?" moment and people moved on Honestly I feel AEW crowds are way more understanding than a WWE one This isn't me trying to make comparisons, I just feel WWE crowds are more known to hijack shows if something doesn't go their way AEW crowds have reacted negatively to certain segments, but I feel like AEW both did a good job not leaning too hard on Sasha outside of one Britt aside, and then establishing flat out that Toni would be in the match in a segment beforehand Something clearly went wrong and Sasha was clearly the idea for the tag match, but AEW still delivered a strong women's match with plot point progression. Now the question will be if Mone just stays in Japan, or she eventually shows up in another angle. Nah you're right. Crowd was great and understood but we all definitely were shocked nothing happened. Something clearly fell apart near the end of negotiations or something.. I probably would've made sure that boss line was cut but it is what it is.
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Post by canceled4truth on Jan 12, 2023 0:45:15 GMT -5
Saraya: "THEY'RE CANCELING, CANCELING ME!" She stole my gimmick
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Post by canceled4truth on Jan 12, 2023 0:46:51 GMT -5
Also the lights going out thing is hilarious because watching at home I was like "the f*** does LA have against the House of Black wrestling on Rampage?"
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Post by Dub H on Jan 12, 2023 1:16:14 GMT -5
Britt: Haha we are getting monet * wink*
Reality: another regular Britt match with dirty finish and interruption
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 12, 2023 1:20:39 GMT -5
Britt: Haha we are getting monet * wink* Reality: another regular Britt match with dirty finish and interruption Mone was never guaranteed, wrestlers have been teased before and haven't showed up Also the match was great, it wasn't "Another regular Britt match", the in ring stuff delivered and the crowd loved it.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 12, 2023 1:22:31 GMT -5
Britt: Haha we are getting monet * wink* Reality: another regular Britt match with dirty finish and interruption Mone was never guaranteed, wrestlers have been teased before and haven't showed up Also the match was great, it wasn't "Another regular Britt match", the in ring stuff delivered and the crowd loved it. Hayter and Toni Rocked, e erything else was a wet napkin. That ended oh yeh ,on a rebel interference and Britt cheating ,like every Britt match that leads nowhere. They teased it ,plain and clear it was as subtle as me yelling on a megaphone
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 12, 2023 1:26:37 GMT -5
Mone was never guaranteed, wrestlers have been teased before and haven't showed up Also the match was great, it wasn't "Another regular Britt match", the in ring stuff delivered and the crowd loved it. Hayter and Toni Rocked, e erything else was a wet napkin. That ended oh yeh ,on a rebel interference and Britt cheating ,like every Britt match that leads nowhere. They teased it ,plain and clear it was as subtle as me yelling on a megaphone This isn't leading nowhere, it's leading to Shida and Toni conflict, it's pretty obvious Also think Saraya's being sold short here, nothing she did in the match was bad, Britt held her own And yeah they did, but they didn't guarantee it, and this is why they didn't, something happened and more will probably come out on it later. Sometimes shit happens.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 12, 2023 2:00:33 GMT -5
Hey, look…I feel like I can admit I was wrong and I was.
But people acting like it was a massive sabotage of a segment…it fundamentally wasn’t. The difference being you can suggest that, well, it gives some substance to NJPW/STARDOM wanting her first America match since leaving WWE which, hey, fair, that’s what these agreements are for.
And even with the Boss line, it wasn’t the same as having the Rampage announcement, Darby saying “Best in the World” and MJF quoting the Pipebomb in the same night. If CM Punk didn’t show up after that, well, it’d be a fundamental failure. This, well, will likely be remembered down the line.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 12, 2023 2:35:30 GMT -5
The thing is though that Tony is the most chronically online CEO in history. He is absolutely aware that people were expecting Mercedes the moment he announced a mystery partner, and further when he had Britt use that boss line. If he wasn't certain, he never should have set up for this expectation because it's something he never really does and doesn't deliver.
He's probably gained enough goodwill to recover from it, it's just going to hang over this show unfortunately when it never should have.
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Post by mrtuesday on Jan 12, 2023 2:47:25 GMT -5
Britt has a history of going into business for herself in promos. Mentioning other wrestlers she's not in programs with, jabs at WWE, etc.
So, even though people are saying she didn't. I can't help but think she did.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 12, 2023 2:52:51 GMT -5
Britt has a history of going into business for herself in promos. Mentioning other wrestlers she's not in programs with, jabs at WWE, etc. So, even though people are saying she didn't. I can't help but think she did. It was a pre-recorded segment, it wasn't live. If Tony didn't want it in, it wouldn't have been in
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 12, 2023 2:58:15 GMT -5
Britt has a history of going into business for herself in promos. Mentioning other wrestlers she's not in programs with, jabs at WWE, etc. So, even though people are saying she didn't. I can't help but think she did. It was a pre-recorded segment, it wasn't live. If Tony didn't want it in, it wouldn't have been in That’s what I will agree on. That was there for a reason, even if it was a tease in the long term. Honestly, Tony should have said it was someone from Britt and Jamie’s history and that would have silenced things but I also don’t know what could be said without it going into back room stuff for things down the line. If it was “We’ll get her for February and you can have her afterwards for March”, do you say that publicly and ruin any potential surprise down the line? You don’t want to expose things out there that shouldn’t be.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 12, 2023 3:19:47 GMT -5
It was a pre-recorded segment, it wasn't live. If Tony didn't want it in, it wouldn't have been in That’s what I will agree on. That was there for a reason, even if it was a tease in the long term. Honestly, Tony should have said it was someone from Britt and Jamie’s history and that would have silenced things but I also don’t know what could be said without it going into back room stuff for things down the line. If it was “We’ll get her for February and you can have her afterwards for March”, do you say that publicly and ruin any potential surprise down the line? You don’t want to expose things out there that shouldn’t be. They could have just said Saraya would get a chance to choose between Shida and Toni, which would have made that story sting more when she chose Toni and nobody would have ever thought it was Mercedes.
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