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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 31, 2022 21:32:49 GMT -5
If it leads up to the night Kimona Wannalaya Willow Nightingale danced atop the AEW arena it would be well worth it Paul Heyman will meet you halfway. In the spirit of gender-flipped remakes Wheeler YUTA hangs dong atop the AEW arena.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 31, 2022 22:24:57 GMT -5
Remember when Paul got asked about his hypothetical plan for if he took over TNA in 2010 and dude said he was gonna fire everyone over 40 and somehow nobody rly questioned him or said "hey that's insane" because 2010 and the fact that Hulk Hogan was over 40. I know he probably wasn't being 100% literal there but it's crazy to imagine this plan actually being implemented in wrestling today and all the still great talent we'd miss out on. Bryan Danielson Brock Lesnar Hiroshi Tanahashi CM Punk AJ Styles Finn Balor Chris Jericho Rey Mysterio Edge Randy Orton Kota Ibushi Sheamus Claudio Castagnoli Tetsuta Naito Asuka Bobby Lashley Christian Cage KENTA Eddie Kingston Kofi Kingston Shinsuke Nakamura Samoa Joe Minoru Suzuki Meiko Satomura Shelton Benjamin Dolph Ziggler Tomohiro Ishii Damien Priest Mickie James Chris Sabin John Morrison Mercedes Martinez Hirooki Goto We'd also be less than a year from putting Kenny Omega out to pasture and a couple years for Roman Reigns. I think ita crazy how a few of these are over 40. I wish I will be as good looking in my 40s
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Post by Cyno on Dec 31, 2022 22:54:41 GMT -5
Remember when Paul got asked about his hypothetical plan for if he took over TNA in 2010 and dude said he was gonna fire everyone over 40 and somehow nobody rly questioned him or said "hey that's insane" because 2010 and the fact that Hulk Hogan was over 40. I know he probably wasn't being 100% literal there but it's crazy to imagine this plan actually being implemented in wrestling today and all the still great talent we'd miss out on. Bryan Danielson Brock Lesnar Hiroshi Tanahashi CM Punk AJ Styles Finn Balor Chris Jericho Rey Mysterio Edge Randy Orton Kota Ibushi Sheamus Claudio Castagnoli Tetsuta Naito Asuka Bobby Lashley Christian Cage KENTA Eddie Kingston Kofi Kingston Shinsuke Nakamura Samoa Joe Minoru Suzuki Meiko Satomura Shelton Benjamin Dolph Ziggler Tomohiro Ishii Damien Priest Mickie James Chris Sabin John Morrison Mercedes Martinez Hirooki Goto We'd also be less than a year from putting Kenny Omega out to pasture and a couple years for Roman Reigns. It really says something about the improvement in wrestlers' overall health and physical conditioning that a lot of them are able to go well into their 40's and even 50's and still look great. Hell, Sting is 63 and looks great!
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 31, 2022 23:23:44 GMT -5
Heyman as part of a creative committee where he is able to throw out ideas for utilizing underused talent and give advice for doing the "accentuate strengths, hide weaknesses" thing would be fine but he's a spent resource when it comes to being the sole creative force of a TV show. I'm not sure Tony should be booking the show himself either but I think AEW is better off with Tony than they would be with Heyman.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 31, 2022 23:26:09 GMT -5
I know he probably wasn't being 100% literal there but it's crazy to imagine this plan actually being implemented in wrestling today and all the still great talent we'd miss out on. Bryan Danielson Brock Lesnar Hiroshi Tanahashi CM Punk AJ Styles Finn Balor Chris Jericho Rey Mysterio Edge Randy Orton Kota Ibushi Sheamus Claudio Castagnoli Tetsuta Naito Asuka Bobby Lashley Christian Cage KENTA Eddie Kingston Kofi Kingston Shinsuke Nakamura Samoa Joe Minoru Suzuki Meiko Satomura Shelton Benjamin Dolph Ziggler Tomohiro Ishii Damien Priest Mickie James Chris Sabin John Morrison Mercedes Martinez Hirooki Goto We'd also be less than a year from putting Kenny Omega out to pasture and a couple years for Roman Reigns. It really says something about the improvement in wrestlers' overall health and physical conditioning that a lot of them are able to go well into their 40's and even 50's and still look great. Hell, Sting is 63 and looks great! Billy Gunn is pushing 60, embracing the ass has done wonders for him.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 31, 2022 23:31:32 GMT -5
Please lord let me age as gracefully as literally any of those people on Jindrak's list.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 1, 2023 1:47:58 GMT -5
Remember when Paul got asked about his hypothetical plan for if he took over TNA in 2010 and dude said he was gonna fire everyone over 40 and somehow nobody rly questioned him or said "hey that's insane" because 2010 and the fact that Hulk Hogan was over 40. On one hand, yes. On the other hand, nothing has ever made me more ageist than watching 2010 TNA. After watching a 2010 Nasty Boys match I would've voted for someone who talked about forced euthanasia at 40.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 1, 2023 10:41:56 GMT -5
Remember when Paul got asked about his hypothetical plan for if he took over TNA in 2010 and dude said he was gonna fire everyone over 40 and somehow nobody rly questioned him or said "hey that's insane" because 2010 and the fact that Hulk Hogan was over 40. On one hand, yes. On the other hand, nothing has ever made me more ageist than watching 2010 TNA. After watching a 2010 Nasty Boys match I would've voted for someone who talked about forced euthanasia at 40. There’s a joke to be made here, but it’d be something like Sarah Logan’s Run, and I refuse to make it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 1, 2023 11:05:30 GMT -5
For simplicity’s sake let’s say it starts in 2023. Tony still has final say and the financial backing is still the Khans. But day to day creative and long term storytelling is all Paul. This thread is inspired by a recent podcast discussion that posed this very question. A similarly controversial figure we’re not allowed to talk about in these here parts was asked this hypothetical. The tennis racket one, not the bro one. Paul Heyman may be good at creative, but he's an immature idiot at times. His first night on TNN, he started a feud with the network that was one of the primary reasons ECW went under. He's also a habitual liar who takes credit for things he had no hand in. The real question should be "what if Tony handed Raven, Tommy Dreamer and Lance Storm the book?" if we're being honest.
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Post by SneakMan on Jan 1, 2023 11:17:36 GMT -5
If it leads up to the night Kimona Wannalaya Willow Nightingale danced atop the AEW arena it would be well worth it *"Hey Man Nice Shot" intensifies* SEE THE NIGHT WILLOW NIGHTINGALE DANCED ATOP DAILY'S PLACE IT'S THE BATTLE OF THE PAGES AS "HANGMAN" ADAM PAGE TAKES ON "ALL EGO" ETHAN PAGE AND SEE THE MOST DANGEROUS SCAFFOLD MATCH OF ALL TIME AS THE ELITE BATTLES DEATH TRIANGLE - IT'S HIGH INCIDENT *"Hey Man Nice Shot" fades*
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 1, 2023 12:36:41 GMT -5
Paul Heyman booking today would be akin to George Scott or Bill Watts booking in the late 80s.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 1, 2023 14:44:02 GMT -5
Remember when Paul got asked about his hypothetical plan for if he took over TNA in 2010 and dude said he was gonna fire everyone over 40 and somehow nobody rly questioned him or said "hey that's insane" because 2010 and the fact that Hulk Hogan was over 40. On one hand, yes. On the other hand, nothing has ever made me more ageist than watching 2010 TNA. After watching a 2010 Nasty Boys match I would've voted for someone who talked about forced euthanasia at 40. I was going to say, Heyman's statement kind of made sense for 2010s TNA specifically. He made an exception for Kurt Angle, who was basically the only guy over 40 who was worth anything at that point (even Sting wasn't at his best at the time). Everyone else in the company actually worth keeping around was under 40 at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 16:42:40 GMT -5
Not to kiss Tony Khan's ass or anything, but what in the hell does Paul Heyman bring to the table that TK doesn't already do as good if not better?
Everyone lauds Heyman for playing to strengths and hiding weaknesses, while also pushing new young talent.
Well, I mean... there's youth all over the place in AEW, and they're always in the mix. You have the 4 pillars, Action Andretti, HOOK, Private Party, Top Flight, Daniel Garcia, Wheeler Yuta... I could go on and on.
I just don't see what Heyman brings to the table other than some 90's edgelord-ness that wrestling does not need anymore.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 1, 2023 18:02:14 GMT -5
Not to kiss Tony Khan's ass or anything, but what in the hell does Paul Heyman bring to the table that TK doesn't already do as good if not better? Everyone lauds Heyman for playing to strengths and hiding weaknesses, while also pushing new young talent. Well, I mean... there's youth all over the place in AEW, and they're always in the mix. You have the 4 pillars, Action Andretti, HOOK, Private Party, Top Flight, Daniel Garcia, Wheeler Yuta... I could go on and on. I just don't see what Heyman brings to the table other than some 90's edgelord-ness that wrestling does not need anymore. Yeah. The main thing TK could be better at is booking the women, and there's no strong indications that Heyman would be significantly better at that. Now... if they brought in Finlay to book (and train) the women's division, then we might have something.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 1, 2023 22:35:29 GMT -5
Not to kiss Tony Khan's ass or anything, but what in the hell does Paul Heyman bring to the table that TK doesn't already do as good if not better? Everyone lauds Heyman for playing to strengths and hiding weaknesses, while also pushing new young talent. Well, I mean... there's youth all over the place in AEW, and they're always in the mix. You have the 4 pillars, Action Andretti, HOOK, Private Party, Top Flight, Daniel Garcia, Wheeler Yuta... I could go on and on. I just don't see what Heyman brings to the table other than some 90's edgelord-ness that wrestling does not need anymore. Heyman's input somewhere like mid '10s WWE or early '10s TNA makes sense since they were kind of dumpster fires with a lot of disorganization and what they needed most was someone in a position to be able to rein shit in and call shots. Obviously his prints all over Raw during the period he was brought on have some divisive views, but he definitely utilized people Vince had no care for. Vince could use a Heyman, but it's definitely somethign where not everyone needs a Heyman. I woudln't give Heyman a prominent booking role over say New Japan either. WWE had a specific deficiency people thought he could fill. TNA was, even worse, being booked by Vince Russo and anyone would have been an improvement. But yeah, at no point has Heyman been some guru genius who can turn any promotion around and make it better. Any of TK's flaws aren't really things that Heyman is going to magically fix or address.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 2, 2023 1:11:48 GMT -5
I don't think that TK would need to hand over keys, bumps, 8-balls, or anything else to Heyman because Paul comes with his own stash.
Because cocaine, ya see.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 2, 2023 10:06:52 GMT -5
My sense of Heyman based on 2020 RAW or whenever he booked it is that he knows how to identify young talent but week to week booking is tough. That said, he’d be a secret weapon if Tony ever decided to actually get a committee together.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jan 3, 2023 14:42:04 GMT -5
I remember always loving his booking. ECW obviously and his OVW time was interesting. I was super excited when I heard he would be booking RAW. And while he did get newer faces on the screen I did find it mostly dull. Maybe it was because of Vince still having final say or maybe he has just ran out of ideas.
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