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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 31, 2022 0:17:46 GMT -5
That was all pretty awesome TV, from the Ronda-Raquel match to Charlotte winning. Cool moment for a big show.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 31, 2022 0:26:55 GMT -5
That doesn't make it any better.
I just mean, people tend to overlook that her 2018-21 reigns were largely for Becky/Bayley's benefit. Becky's title win ended up meaning way more winning it off Charlotte rather than off Carmella, the short run before Mania 35 let Becky 2 Belts happen, MITB 2019 let Becky drop to Bayley without actually losing to her, and then the one after HIAC 2019 let Bayley turn heel. They served a purpose even if they got read as just being for Charlotte's sake.
Becky could have defended the belt (and did) against Charlotte later, and Becky should have beaten Ronda in a one on one match at 'mania instead of WWE shoehorning Charlotte into the main event. Also don't forget that Becky wasn't supposed to win the belt off Charlotte in 2018, but the swell of fan support meant that WWE had to put the Belt on Becky. Those reigns were for the benefit of Charlotte to pad her title numbers. Bayley would have gotten just as much from cashing in on Becky as she did from cashing in on Charlotte (and could have turned heel earlier), and didn't have to lose to Charlotte in order to turn heel. The purpose of those reigns was so that Charlotte could become a 10 time champion. Any benefit gained by other wrestlers was a byproduct.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 31, 2022 0:28:41 GMT -5
I’m so looking forward to Charlotte just steamrolling an entire division that already got decimated by Ronda.
Riveting stuff.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2022 0:29:19 GMT -5
Should also note for posterity that contrary to popular belief, Flair has never had that visceral peak Cena/babyface Reigns “F*** THIS PERSON” reaction among live crowds unless it was explicitly at the expense of Becky Lynch in 2018 and 2019. Hell, that match that supposedly broke Rousey’s brain because the crowd were booing her? Who were they cheering in that match, pray tell? The answer might surprise you.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2022 0:31:07 GMT -5
I’m so looking forward to Charlotte just steamrolling an entire division that already got decimated by Ronda. Riveting stuff. Why would you care what Flair does? They’re already decimated, right? Unless they really weren’t and they could’ve been salvaged and nobody actually really gets hurt from losing wrestling matches as much as we say they do.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 31, 2022 0:34:39 GMT -5
Except we know that ain’t true. You know why, because if it were WWE wouldn’t super protect it’s big stars so much.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Dec 31, 2022 0:36:32 GMT -5
Side thing: Charlotte's NXT title run is like one of my favorite pandemic things to actually watch.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2022 0:43:40 GMT -5
Except we know that ain’t true. You know why, because if it were WWE wouldn’t super protect it’s big stars so much. Well, F***ING SOMEBODY has gotta start being OK with it at some point if we want them to phase out dirty and protected finishes. Or at the very least just admit they want their favourites to never lose.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 31, 2022 1:03:14 GMT -5
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 31, 2022 1:22:41 GMT -5
I just mean, people tend to overlook that her 2018-21 reigns were largely for Becky/Bayley's benefit. Becky's title win ended up meaning way more winning it off Charlotte rather than off Carmella, the short run before Mania 35 let Becky 2 Belts happen, MITB 2019 let Becky drop to Bayley without actually losing to her, and then the one after HIAC 2019 let Bayley turn heel. They served a purpose even if they got read as just being for Charlotte's sake.
Becky could have defended the belt (and did) against Charlotte later, and Becky should have beaten Ronda in a one on one match at 'mania instead of WWE shoehorning Charlotte into the main event. Also don't forget that Becky wasn't supposed to win the belt off Charlotte in 2018, but the swell of fan support meant that WWE had to put the Belt on Becky. Those reigns were for the benefit of Charlotte to pad her title numbers. Bayley would have gotten just as much from cashing in on Becky as she did from cashing in on Charlotte (and could have turned heel earlier), and didn't have to lose to Charlotte in order to turn heel. The purpose of those reigns was so that Charlotte could become a 10 time champion. Any benefit gained by other wrestlers was a byproduct.
There's nothing to indicate that Becky wasn't meant to win the belt in that feud. The most likely scenario is that she was going to win off Charlotte, beat her at Evolution, and then likely lose to Ronda at Survivor Series. (Charlotte would have likely won the 2019 Rumble in that case, given WWE was teasing her/Ronda as soon as WM 34 ended.) But then Nia messing up a basic brawl happened, Becky got the iconic 'bloody Becky' moment, and they had to improvise. I agree they could have done a better job with the storytelling leading into WM 35, and I know Becky made a point on her kayfabe social media of Charlotte being 'shoehorned', but there wasn't really anything that showed Charlotte wasn't going to be involved, given the way Survivor Series ended, and then that Ronda attacked both her and Becky at TLC 2018.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 31, 2022 1:25:45 GMT -5
Side thing: Charlotte's NXT title run is like one of my favorite pandemic things to actually watch.
I wish they did a little more with it. The matches that started and finished the reign were really good (the WM 36 match with Rhea is outstanding for an empty-arena one), and the tag match with Chelsea as her mystery partner is underrated, but it'd have been cool to see her have had another singles match or two in there.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Dec 31, 2022 1:37:39 GMT -5
Just shows how sick people were of Rousey that even a lot of the internet fanbase are like “OH THANK F*** ITS CHARLOTTE”. I mean honestly that's not really the case tho, there hasn't rly been a proper backlash against Ronda like 2018 Becky season or anything even close to that. Ronda literally had to fight off the cheers for weeks to even sort of get this heel run going, the fact that she got a lot of boos here isn't cause people are sick of her, it's cause she's done a good job as a heel even tho her title reign hasn't rly been anything. Charlotte was always gonna get a big face reaction when she showed up again just being Charlotte. I don't like Ronda but I think she did rly good work tonight all around.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Dec 31, 2022 1:39:26 GMT -5
Side thing: Charlotte's NXT title run is like one of my favorite pandemic things to actually watch.
I wish they did a little more with it. The matches that started and finished the reign were really good (the WM 36 match with Rhea is outstanding for an empty-arena one), and the tag match with Chelsea as her mystery partner is underrated, but it'd have been cool to see her have had another singles match or two in there.
The triple threat match against Io and Rhea where Io wins (it might have actually be during Io's title run?) and pins Charlotte is ridiculous, I saw that a few weeks ago.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 31, 2022 1:47:55 GMT -5
I wish they did a little more with it. The matches that started and finished the reign were really good (the WM 36 match with Rhea is outstanding for an empty-arena one), and the tag match with Chelsea as her mystery partner is underrated, but it'd have been cool to see her have had another singles match or two in there.
The triple threat match against Io and Rhea where Io wins (it might have actually be during Io's title run?) and pins Charlotte is ridiculous, I saw that a few weeks ago. That was how Io started her reign. As well as being the first women’s Takeover main event since 2015, it also continued the pattern of the Figure 8 working out badly for Charlotte in multi-woman matches.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Dec 31, 2022 1:52:46 GMT -5
The triple threat match against Io and Rhea where Io wins (it might have actually be during Io's title run?) and pins Charlotte is ridiculous, I saw that a few weeks ago. That was how Io started her reign. As well as being the first women’s Takeover main event since 2015, it also continued the pattern of the Figure 8 working out badly for Charlotte in multi-woman matches. I REMEMBER NOW AND I FREAKED OUT CAUSE IO f***ING FLATTENED HER. Also just a rly sweet moment in general because one of Io's biggest reasons for signing with WWE was wanting to wrestle Charlotte and now it was like awww she's beating her ass this is beautiful.
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Post by karl100589 on Dec 31, 2022 1:58:31 GMT -5
This feels like one of those “Be careful what you wish for” moments. People were justifiably critical of Ronda’s title reign, but is giving it to someone fans were bored with due to invincible booking and teacher’s pet reputation really the best option?
I hope for Ronda’s sake this isn’t due to wellness. The last time we had an abrupt title change they got shot of Mandy.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 31, 2022 2:02:27 GMT -5
This feels like one of those “Be careful what you wish for” moments. People were justifiably critical of Ronda’s title reign, but is giving it to someone fans were out bored with due to invincible booking and teacher’s pet reputation really the best option? I hope for Ronda’s sake this isn’t due to wellness. The last time we had an abrupt title change they got shot of Mandy. Not judging her if she does so... ...but I wonder if Rousey could get the same money as Mandy if she decided to go into the same type of business. At the very least it could start as a novelty, like that Stallone porno people found out about after Rocky became a hit.
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Post by government mule on Dec 31, 2022 2:16:43 GMT -5
Someone's been watching Wrestlemania 9
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Dec 31, 2022 2:18:12 GMT -5
Love to watch a WWE weekly show for the first time in god knows when only to see Charlotte come out and immediately win the title in 20 seconds Then. Now. Forever.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 31, 2022 2:19:17 GMT -5
Someone's been watching Wrestlemania 9 Eh, if it was Mania 9 style Shayna would have made the challenge to Charlotte on Ronda's behalf while Charlotte was checking on Raquel, who tells her to go for it. ...and now I get the comedic mental image of Shayna trying the "salt to eyes" trick out of nowhere, like when CM Punk used the mist on a house show during a "faces gather to beat up heel" moment.
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