Fade
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Post by Fade on Dec 31, 2022 2:27:04 GMT -5
This feels like one of those “Be careful what you wish for” moments. People were justifiably critical of Ronda’s title reign, but is giving it to someone fans were bored with due to invincible booking and teacher’s pet reputation really the best option?I hope for Ronda’s sake this isn’t due to wellness. The last time we had an abrupt title change they got shot of Mandy. Papa H’s toughest test yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 2:27:28 GMT -5
I can’t stand either of these two but at least it was funny and the crowd went nuclear for it
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 31, 2022 2:32:10 GMT -5
Just shows how sick people were of Rousey that even a lot of the internet fanbase are like “OH THANK F*** ITS CHARLOTTE”. I mean honestly that's not really the case tho, there hasn't rly been a proper backlash against Ronda like 2018 Becky season or anything even close to that. Ronda literally had to fight off the cheers for weeks to even sort of get this heel run going, the fact that she got a lot of boos here isn't cause people are sick of her, it's cause she's done a good job as a heel even tho her title reign hasn't rly been anything. Charlotte was always gonna get a big face reaction when she showed up again just being Charlotte. I don't like Ronda but I think she did rly good work tonight all around. If Charlotte wasn't given the nepotism reigns and they were so f***ing telegraphed to be that to the point she is two away from tying her Dad in like seven years, Charlotte would be so much more tolerable to me and others, but they just keep putting her in the title picture and she seems physically incapable of not being around or sniffing a belt, and it's painfully spelled out as to why, and with HHH in charge I actually expect it to get worse, he might as well go out there and make up lyrics to Charlotte's song and bow to her lmfao Also Ronda and Raquel do work well together yes, outside of the press through the ropes where Ronda looks like she almost got f***ed up, I really enjoyed that match and its finish was super creative. I have zero doubt Charlotte and Ronda will have a good Rumble match, but that segment tonight, while it got a good crowd reaction, paints the problem with Charlotte's booking all too well, that even when taking a long break to refresh herself, she comes back doing the same tired shit, being a forever hot potato champion, to statpad her reigns, because Flair.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 31, 2022 2:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 31, 2022 4:19:12 GMT -5
Someone's been watching Wrestlemania 9 Eh, if it was Mania 9 style Shayna would have made the challenge to Charlotte on Ronda's behalf while Charlotte was checking on Raquel, who tells her to go for it. ...and now I get the comedic mental image of Shayna trying the "salt to eyes" trick out of nowhere, like when CM Punk used the mist on a house show during a "faces gather to beat up heel" moment. Shayna: "Mah Ronda Rousey issue a challenge. If any intestinal fortitude you'll accept mah Ronda Rousey's challenge. COME ON COME ON YAH YELLAH BELLAY COME ON!"
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Post by PKO on Dec 31, 2022 4:54:45 GMT -5
Did they use the “All hail the Queen” from Zelina’s theme? Sure sounded like it
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Post by 4real on Dec 31, 2022 5:12:21 GMT -5
I liked it. Would I rather it was somebody other than Charlotte? Yeah but this is got to be better than Ronda as Champ. The Smackdown Women’s division needed a shot in the arm and hopefully this is the start.
I like Charlotte’s new theme too.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 31, 2022 5:17:52 GMT -5
Here's how it was from the crowd:
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Post by schma on Dec 31, 2022 5:31:28 GMT -5
I like Charlotte, she's a great talent. However, part of why I got sick of her in the first place was her constant presence in the title scene. There were a few years where if she was not champion, she was challenger. That's not hyperbole either. She was literally in the title scene for years apart from injuries.
This might be good and I get that the Smackdown division is dire right now, so this kind of makes sense. Still, I worry that this will lead to folks turning on her all over again.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Dec 31, 2022 5:46:11 GMT -5
So Charlotte's a face now? Thanks to her plastic surgeon Charlotte has had several faces over the years. Which one are you referring to? 🤔
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Dec 31, 2022 5:54:20 GMT -5
I stopped watching WWE on a weekly basis in 2018 because I was sick of seeing Charlotte, Roman and Brock on top for what felt like forever. We're now a day away from 2023 and while it's a new regime behind the scenes, it's still the same old shit on people's TV screens.
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Post by cornettesracket on Dec 31, 2022 5:56:55 GMT -5
I know Ronda was awful and there needed to be a change but ffs why Charlotte flair. The moment I soured on Charlotte flair was the build up to mania and the triple threat. I know it was booked that way but it did feel like she was being shoehorned into things.
And there was the belt exchange issue which didn’t paint her at all well but confirmed that it’s all about her.
She’s near to her dads number of title reigns. She’s not far off him in marriages and she hasn’t yet had any financial issues but she’s young.
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 31, 2022 6:41:17 GMT -5
Typical, Ronda finally has a good match for about the first time since, well, since Charlotte in May actually. And then immediately loses the title.
Cool big moment and reaction, I like Charlotte fine, do wonder if Rousey might be just on a one year contract?
Personally, don't give a quarter of a damn about how close Charlotte is to Flair's title runs, just as I didn't much with Cena. Flair had some gimmies in there to inflate his count and it's all kinda nothing much anyway, when the quality of a reign counts more than the number.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Dec 31, 2022 7:25:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd be okay with this if it's used as a means to get the Women's title off Ronda and onto Shayna, where it should have been LONG before now, without having to shortchange someone like Raquel, who clearly they have investment in. Going about it this way, Shayna can get a big moment (maybe winning the Rumble and taking the title at Mania?), Charlotte can easily absorb a loss (as we've learned time and again), and an entire first-time reign (the hypothetical Raquel one) doesn't exist solely to get the title to someone else.
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Post by J is Justice on Dec 31, 2022 7:53:51 GMT -5
She's gonna drop it to Liv, right?
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Post by grungesmurf on Dec 31, 2022 8:23:28 GMT -5
What’s the name of the match where the title can change multi times?
Just do one of those and get Charlotte to 17 and get it over with already.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 31, 2022 9:19:51 GMT -5
I liked it. Would I rather it was somebody other than Charlotte? Yeah but this is got to be better than Ronda as Champ. The Smackdown Women’s division needed a shot in the arm and hopefully this is the start. I like Charlotte’s new theme too. Charlotte’s last reign did nothing to help the division. She doesn’t help the people she works with. She just drags them down. Charlotte doesn’t “elevate” anyone except herself. We’ve seen it over and over and over again.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 31, 2022 9:22:13 GMT -5
I wish they did a little more with it. The matches that started and finished the reign were really good (the WM 36 match with Rhea is outstanding for an empty-arena one), and the tag match with Chelsea as her mystery partner is underrated, but it'd have been cool to see her have had another singles match or two in there.
The triple threat match against Io and Rhea where Io wins (it might have actually be during Io's title run?) and pins Charlotte is ridiculous, I saw that a few weeks ago. Correction, Io pinned Rhea in that match. Charlotte dropped the NXT Title without being pinned once in NXT. Charlotte put over none of the NXT women in that run. Then they had her no sell the loss and immediately get a Raw title feud with Asuka the night after.
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Post by mistery on Dec 31, 2022 9:33:13 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd be okay with this if it's used as a means to get the Women's title off Ronda and onto Shayna, where it should have been LONG before now, without having to shortchange someone like Raquel, who clearly they have investment in. Going about it this way, Shayna can get a big moment (maybe winning the Rumble and taking the title at Mania?), Charlotte can easily absorb a loss (as we've learned time and again), and an entire first-time reign (the hypothetical Raquel one) doesn't exist solely to get the title to someone else. Shayna is probably never going to be a singles champion. The audience just does not care about her. Her offense is dull to casual viewers (doesn't help that Asuka wrestles a similar style but is way more charismatic and explosive), and she loses to pretty much everyone on the roster. And as for Raquel being harmed by this, people should probably realize that she is in the same boat as Shayna. Dull as hell, and has no real personality. Doesn't help that she is dating Braun and shares a lot of his really awful viewpoints. Also an anti-vaxxer. Charlotte is an awful choice as champion, but I hope to god once they get her to 17 title wins they stop with her neverending push. And if she throws a fit about it and walks out, so be it. Because I can't see her doing well anywhere else. AEW won't pick her up because Andrade, and her ego problems would severely limit her potential elsewhere.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 31, 2022 9:40:01 GMT -5
I know Ronda was awful and there needed to be a change but ffs why Charlotte flair. The moment I soured on Charlotte flair was the build up to mania and the triple threat. I know it was booked that way but it did feel like she was being shoehorned into things. And there was the belt exchange issue which didn’t paint her at all well but confirmed that it’s all about her. She’s near to her dads number of title reigns. She’s not far off him in marriages and she hasn’t yet had any financial issues but she’s young. Christ, guys, you can call Charlotte's booking bad or say you don't enjoy her as a performer without ragging on her for divorces or plastic surgery. If she's personally done something that makes it tough for you to support her (ala Ronda and her conspiracy nonsense from awhile back) I get it, but there's no need for this stuff.
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