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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 9, 2023 18:49:47 GMT -5
I would say 1995 is the least star studded but I think 1993 is close. Really the only stars are Savage, Perfect, Undertaker, Yokozuna, Dibiase, and Backlund. Other then that it's a bunch of lower midcarders. I'd argue that, at that point in 1993, Tatanka was a bigger star then Bob Backlund. What is worse between you saying this and it being true?
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Post by canceled4truth on Jan 9, 2023 19:38:34 GMT -5
I wasn't watching at the time but 2019 had such a wild assortment of talent to look back on. Double J and Kurt Angle among the first five entrants, Nakamura, all of The New Day, Joe, Gargano, Adam Cole, heel McIntyre, mentally checked out Moxley, Jeff Hardy, Rey, Malakai Black, infant Pete Dunne, Orton, Lashely, Braun, Nia f***ing Jax and Seth. A lot of stars but all at wildly different points in their careers
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jan 9, 2023 19:49:01 GMT -5
Star? 2016. Studded? 1989.
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Post by thehottag on Jan 9, 2023 19:54:27 GMT -5
What actually happens in December 1999/January 2000 for those three to get THAT over in MSG at the Rumble? Can't offer a proper explanation, but I remember watching a lot of Sunday Night Heat leading up to the Rumble 2000, & Too Cool/Rikishi were dancing on it every week to thunderous cheers.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 10, 2023 2:57:22 GMT -5
Doesn't the 1999 Rumble have basically no actual competitors in it?
Stone Cold. Kane. Maybe Shamrock. I know Vince won but he wasn't an actual competitor
Midcard as f*** Triple H? Midcard as f*** Owen Hart?
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Jan 10, 2023 6:15:08 GMT -5
I'm shocked 2017 hasn't been mentioned yet.
Chris Jericho, Big Show, Mark Henry, Dean Ambrose, The Miz, Sheamus, Randy Orton, Dolph Ziggler, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, The Undertaker and Roman Reigns. All former World Champions.
Plus the likes of Bray Wyatt, rising star Braun Strowman, all 3 members of New Day and former NXT Champion Sami Zayn.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 10, 2023 6:26:40 GMT -5
I'm shocked 2017 hasn't been mentioned yet. Chris Jericho, Big Show, Mark Henry, Dean Ambrose, The Miz, Sheamus, Randy Orton, Dolph Ziggler, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, The Undertaker and Roman Reigns. All former World Champions. Plus the likes of Bray Wyatt, rising star Braun Strowman, all 3 members of New Day and former NXT Champion Sami Zayn. Good call. On top of all those names then you also got guys like Cesaro, Harper, Corbin, and Rusev. All good talents who while not main eventers were all pretty high on the card. Cesaro was a Tag Champion, Corbin was getting a good upper midcard push and would go onto to be a prominent character for years, Harper was involved in the whole Wyatt Family drama with Orton and Bray, and Rusev was just coming off a feud with Roman. Honestly I think top to bottom 2017 might be the answer. Just when you factor in star power and importance on the card at the time of the participants. 1992 is loaded but there's also a lot of guys in that on their last legs. 2017 really the only fluff is Kalisto, Mojo Rawley, Jack Gallagher, Tye Dillinger, Apollo, and James Ellsworth. I guess you could say Enzo and Cass too but they were still fairly big deals at that point and pretty over.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 10, 2023 6:30:42 GMT -5
1993 could be looked at as either way as you had Yokozuna, Undertaker and Savage but then you had guys like the youngster Carlos Colon, Max Moon
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jan 10, 2023 7:05:50 GMT -5
So, how is the very first Royal Rumble NOT the least star studded? It was won by Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Yes, it had young Bret Hart and Ultimate Warrior, but it was won by HACKSAW JIM DUGGAN. Jim Duggan was the second or third most over face on the roster in 1988. I don't think you know just how big Duggan was at the time.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 10, 2023 7:58:14 GMT -5
So, how is the very first Royal Rumble NOT the least star studded? It was won by Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Yes, it had young Bret Hart and Ultimate Warrior, but it was won by HACKSAW JIM DUGGAN. Jim Duggan was the second or third most over face on the roster in 1988. I don't think you know just how big Duggan was at the time. Between him and Jake Roberts, who was also in that match (I mean, notice how after the Hogan feud, Andre was put into a program with Jake).
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 10, 2023 9:38:30 GMT -5
So, how is the very first Royal Rumble NOT the least star studded? It was won by Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Yes, it had young Bret Hart and Ultimate Warrior, but it was won by HACKSAW JIM DUGGAN. Jim Duggan was the second or third most over face on the roster in 1988. I don't think you know just how big Duggan was at the time. Duggan was probably 5th behind Hogan, Savage, Snake Roberts and Brutus the Barber but most wrestlers today would sell their soul to be as over as the #5 babyface in 1988. As for the question at hand, it’s 1990. 1992 had some scrubs like Skinner, Berserker, one of the Nasty Boys…I think Koko B Ware is the lowest tier guy in 1990 and he’s the first one eliminated. When Snake Roberts comes in at #4, the crowd does not die down until the end.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 10, 2023 9:43:25 GMT -5
Jim Duggan was the second or third most over face on the roster in 1988. I don't think you know just how big Duggan was at the time. Duggan was probably 5th behind Hogan, Savage, Snake Roberts and Brutus the Barber but most wrestlers today would sell their soul to be as over as the #5 babyface in 1988. As for the question at hand, it’s 1990. 1992 had some scrubs like Skinner, Berserker, one of the Nasty Boys…I think Koko B Ware is the lowest tier guy in 1990 and he’s the first one eliminated. When Snake Roberts comes in at #4, the crowd does not die down until the end. I'd argue Red Rooster was lower tier than Koko at the time, but after those two...for that time The Rockers weren't that high tier (Michaels was eliminated in seconds, for example), and the shine on Hercules' push was fading, but that's about it.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 10, 2023 9:48:34 GMT -5
The 2020 Women's Royal Rumble definitely had talent but from a name value at the time - it had a lot of folks from NXT who weren't fully over with the crowd.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jan 10, 2023 11:06:37 GMT -5
Jim Duggan was the second or third most over face on the roster in 1988. I don't think you know just how big Duggan was at the time. Duggan was probably 5th behind Hogan, Savage, Snake Roberts and Brutus the Barber but most wrestlers today would sell their soul to be as over as the #5 babyface in 1988. As for the question at hand, it’s 1990. 1992 had some scrubs like Skinner, Berserker, one of the Nasty Boys…I think Koko B Ware is the lowest tier guy in 1990 and he’s the first one eliminated. When Snake Roberts comes in at #4, the crowd does not die down until the end. We're talking January of 88, Savage was still a heel and Beefcake was still teaming with Valentine. Duggan and Roberts were 2a/2b with Steamboat right behind them. And yeah, I'd agree with 1990. Mainly because I can't say anything involving Virgil, Skinner, the Repo Man, and the less memorable Nasty Boy is "star studded"
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 10, 2023 11:11:01 GMT -5
Duggan was probably 5th behind Hogan, Savage, Snake Roberts and Brutus the Barber but most wrestlers today would sell their soul to be as over as the #5 babyface in 1988. As for the question at hand, it’s 1990. 1992 had some scrubs like Skinner, Berserker, one of the Nasty Boys…I think Koko B Ware is the lowest tier guy in 1990 and he’s the first one eliminated. When Snake Roberts comes in at #4, the crowd does not die down until the end. We're talking January of 88, Savage was still a heel and Beefcake was still teaming with Valentine. Duggan and Roberts were 2a/2b with Steamboat right behind them. Um, timeline is off there. WrestleMania III was the end of Beefcake and Valentine, and that was spring of 87, and the Hogan/Savage handshake was October of 87. So both were faces by Rumble 88.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jan 10, 2023 12:50:26 GMT -5
We're talking January of 88, Savage was still a heel and Beefcake was still teaming with Valentine. Duggan and Roberts were 2a/2b with Steamboat right behind them. Um, timeline is off there. WrestleMania III was the end of Beefcake and Valentine, and that was spring of 87, and the Hogan/Savage handshake was October of 87. So both were faces by Rumble 88. Yeah you're entirely right, I don't know how I did that
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 10, 2023 15:08:03 GMT -5
Duggan was probably 5th behind Hogan, Savage, Snake Roberts and Brutus the Barber but most wrestlers today would sell their soul to be as over as the #5 babyface in 1988. As for the question at hand, it’s 1990. 1992 had some scrubs like Skinner, Berserker, one of the Nasty Boys…I think Koko B Ware is the lowest tier guy in 1990 and he’s the first one eliminated. When Snake Roberts comes in at #4, the crowd does not die down until the end. I'd argue Red Rooster was lower tier than Koko at the time, but after those two...for that time The Rockers weren't that high tier (Michaels was eliminated in seconds, for example), and the shine on Hercules' push was fading, but that's about it. Yeah I would say Rooster, Koko, and Rockers in that order were the four bottom tier guys in the match in kayfabe and it reflects how they are booked in the match as they are four quickest eliminations. Rooster wasn't even supposed to be in it originally and got in as a substitute for the departing "Widowmaker" Barry Windham. Hercules would probably be next lowest tier along with Tito and Neidhart. I would probably put Haku in there too but he was a Tag Champion at the time with Andre so that would put him above. Then you got guys like Bravo, Warlord, and Barbarian who weren't really that memorable or that over but were all pretty protected and booked strong around that time.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jan 10, 2023 15:10:59 GMT -5
I'll always go to bat for the 95 Rumble and say that it COULD have been good, it was just booked like dog crap, especially taking out two believable winners in Owen and Backlund, in mere seconds. 96, though? That's just bad, the roster was paper thin, which is how Doug Gilbert got booked.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 10, 2023 15:16:35 GMT -5
Jim Duggan was the second or third most over face on the roster in 1988. I don't think you know just how big Duggan was at the time. Between him and Jake Roberts, who was also in that match (I mean, notice how after the Hogan feud, Andre was put into a program with Jake). Actually he was put in a feud with Duggan after the Hogan feud. It was set up after Andre caused Duggan to lose to Dibiase in the Wrestlemania IV title tournament. On Superstars shortly after Duggan confronted Andre and ended up knocking him out with the 2x4. Then after that he feuded with Jake.
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Post by dangerousdanpotato on Jan 10, 2023 21:37:48 GMT -5
1995 not only has bad gimmick after bad gimmick, but they decided to take Owen Hart and Bob Backlund, the two top heels in the match after Shawn, and have them get dumped out within seconds of entering, so they don't get to do anything to offset all the other jobbers in the match. Totally agree with you. Even with the lack of star power they could have booked an exciting match. The use of Owen and Backlund is ridiculous. Bundy is also under-utilised. To just add another point on 1995, it featured just ONE ex-champion (Backlund) and only ONE future champion (Shawn).
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