Is Roman up there with the 4 GOATS?

[ChitownKnight]

And by the 4 GOATs I mean Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Cena. The 4 guys that were the biggest stars and made the wwe the most money as the headline acts. Granted his lows were pretty low, and lasted a while but he turned it around and created probably one of the greatest runs in decades

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

While Hogan and Austin don't have the success outside wrestling that Cena and Rock do, they had monster gates and mainstream attention that warrant their place.

Roman needs a breakout movie or TV show and then yes he'd belong there. Wrestling itself isn't popular enough anymore to cross that barrier like it used to.

[Schizo]

Not quite yet, but he definitely will be

[defectiveepitaph]

Personally, no, I don’t think so.

[Mozenrath]

A lot of this is difficult to rate as it's happening. So much of a legacy is dependent on the followup.

[King Devitt and the Woke Mob]

Nah. He just recently found his groove after almost a decade of square pegging a round hole....wait....no.....my apologies to Dom Dom and Rhea.

[Spiderf 4]

I'd put Bruno up there to make it a GOAT group of 5.

As for Reigns... idk. It feels like he fits in more with the group right under that one, the group with Bret, HHH, Backlund, etc.

[polarbearpete]

I think he’s in the process of attaining that status.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

No

But I can't say he isn't in like... WWE's Top 20 of all time, at least at this point, Kayfabe wise that'd be undeniable anyway.

But like, idk if I'd rank him above the likes of Taker, Michaels, Bret, Jericho or Angle, let alone the big four you mentioned just yet, but he has a decent length of career ahead of him, if he so chooses, he can get there.

[Rise]

Not yet no but he's laying the foundations ATM and has been for quite some time. Will he achieve it, only time will tell really and it'll depend on how long he can wants to go on for.

[polarbearpete]

Jan 30, 2023 7:17:03 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

No

But I can't say he isn't in like... WWE's Top 20 of all time, at least at this point, Kayfabe wise that'd be undeniable anyway.

But like, idk if I'd rank him above the likes of Taker, Michaels, Bret, Jericho or Angle, let alone the big four you mentioned just yet, but he has a decent length of career ahead of him, if he so chooses, he can get there.

Kayfabe wise, he’s well into the top 10. Jericho and Angle wouldn’t even be close in a kayfabe list.

[stoptheclocks]

Nobody would have put Cena up there at the equivalent point of his run at the top.

But I'd say no for now, with two caveats...

A) Roman with his current gimmick would be a top guy in any era

B) Everyone gets a big bump in popularity when they are retired and don't show up very often. And when there is a new top guy to complain about. Combine those two things and Roman will likely be seen in an even better light in 10 years time.

[Push R Truth]

nah

That doesn't mean he might not eventually get there but he needs some sort of crossover appeal to make that jump.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Absolutely not.

And it's not about disliking him or his work, there just are very few people in that extremely short list, there is no shame not being one of them

[canceled4truth]

It's hard to say. Very few people put Cena on that tier while he was there, in his prime, but looking back, it feels obvious. Roman could end up the same way, or he could be on the Bret/Shawn/Orton/HHH tier of "first ballot HOFer who never really broke into the mainstream."

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

Not now, but he may not have reached his peak performance level yet. Still too early to tell.

[Fake Jesus]

Nah. There really has been this kinda weird swing to overly praising Reigns now that he is actually in a good role and doing good work (Probably by people who feel embarassed that they fell into the Cena trick of shitting on a good worker because of VKM thrice - hey, Sheamus!). There's no hope in hell of Roman Reigns joining the Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena tier, it's too late in the day. This man is slotting into the Batista/HBK/Hart/HHH tier. There's no harm in that, and it's a really good place to be, but there's a gulf between that and the absolute upper echelon.

It's not even that no one knows who he is, it's that he spent 5 years being rejected by fans and presiding over an era of absolutely dismal ratings, it's that his title reign was f***ing intermiable when McMahon was booking it. These aren't things you can wash away with a few flashes of good booking.

Who knows, maybe the combined force of people who WANT Roman Reigns to be the Thanos of WWE, WWE propaganda (Hey, it worked for Undertaker!) and kids growing up on this will conspire to slot him in as the fifth all-timer - but I was there for it and you're not going to fool me.

[Fake Jesus]

I also really reject the idea that no one put Cena up there during his run. It's true if by "no one" you mean extreme smarks and weirdos, but Cena's fanbase of kids was so insanely large that you really couldn't discount it. People accepted that Cena was the top guy and a franchise player in the way that HHH or Bret Hart hadn't been, they just didn't like it. Different things.

[canceled4truth]

Jan 30, 2023 10:27:42 GMT -5 Fake Jesus said:

I also really reject the idea that no one put Cena up there during his run. It's true if by "no one" you mean extreme smarks and weirdos, but Cena's fanbase of kids was so insanely large that you really couldn't discount it. People accepted that Cena was the top guy and a franchise player in the way that HHH or Bret Hart hadn't been, they just didn't like it. Different things.

Haha yeah by "no one" I meant a lot the smarks like us. Hell I thought so back in the day. But I should've been more clear

[Renslayer]

Yeah absolutely. Carried the company through the pandemic and is the centerpiece of an all time storyline. Gotta acknowledge him