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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 11, 2023 10:43:04 GMT -5
Really enjoyed Swerve's promo last night. I don't mean this as a knock on anyone else because I love people being over the top in wrestling, too, but I love that he knows how to be a psycho without really raising his voice or making a bunch of weird faces.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 11, 2023 10:46:26 GMT -5
in fairness to Parker, he seemed to be doing fine developing with the Trustbusters, but may be a case of too big of a jump. Isn't the first time in wrestling this has happened won't be the last. And can always add new people to Mogul Affiliates if need be
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 11, 2023 10:48:41 GMT -5
I’m sure Tony and Swerve’s intentions were the best, but these dudes were just not ready for tv, even as flunkies. No shame in just training more on Dark and Elevation for a year or two to actually develop more. Both of them should be in ROH.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 11, 2023 10:49:27 GMT -5
in fairness to Parker, he seemed to be doing fine developing with the Trustbusters, but may be a case of too big of a jump. Isn't the first time in wrestling this has happened won't be the last. And can always add new people to Mogul Affiliates if need be *blows a kiss to the sky for The Trustbusters*
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 11, 2023 11:26:37 GMT -5
Really enjoyed Swerve's promo last night. I don't mean this as a knock on anyone else because I love people being over the top in wrestling, too, but I love that he knows how to be a psycho without really raising his voice or making a bunch of weird faces. He knows how to not be a cornball like a Nikki Cross or Liv Morgan Liv with the smiling and enjoying it is borderline corny while Cross is a full cornball with her expressions. Like when you are outdoing Eric Young when the group was supposed to be over the top anyway something is off. She works better with the subtle creepy stuff like when she was playing games with Malakai when he returned after he got attacked But yeah Swerve and Asuka are two people in a diff field when it comes to this. Def people should learn more cues from people like them, Randy Orton, Kota Ibushi and even Roman Reigns was leaning that direction and doing good early
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Post by dpg on Mar 11, 2023 11:47:40 GMT -5
in fairness to Parker, he seemed to be doing fine developing with the Trustbusters, but may be a case of too big of a jump. Isn't the first time in wrestling this has happened won't be the last. And can always add new people to Mogul Affiliates if need be He needed time in that group, instead he gets shuffled up the card and paired with someone less experienced than him.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Mar 11, 2023 12:54:21 GMT -5
God I have to watch that Parker match LMAO
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 11, 2023 13:04:32 GMT -5
Really enjoyed Swerve's promo last night. I don't mean this as a knock on anyone else because I love people being over the top in wrestling, too, but I love that he knows how to be a psycho without really raising his voice or making a bunch of weird faces. He knows how to not be a cornball like a Nikki Cross or Liv Morgan Liv with the smiling and enjoying it is borderline corny while Cross is a full cornball with her expressions. Like when you are outdoing Eric Young when the group was supposed to be over the top anyway something is off. She works better with the subtle creepy stuff like when she was playing games with Malakai when he returned after he got attacked But yeah Swerve and Asuka are two people in a diff field when it comes to this. Def people should learn more cues from people like them, Randy Orton, Kota Ibushi and even Roman Reigns was leaning that direction and doing good early Swerve has reminded me of Jake Roberts in some of his mannerisms. That cool, slimy type of evil like you know dude is just scum.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 11, 2023 13:10:04 GMT -5
in fairness to Parker, he seemed to be doing fine developing with the Trustbusters, but may be a case of too big of a jump. Isn't the first time in wrestling this has happened won't be the last. And can always add new people to Mogul Affiliates if need be He needed time in that group, instead he gets shuffled up the card and paired with someone less experienced than him. Oh again I think Parker and Trench as heavies who just do beat downs and interfere? Fine. I think visually they added to Swerve's presentation, but the decision to put Parker in a fairly high profile match? Not good. Again, I think Parker had shown progress with the Trust Busters, but a lot of his role was power moves and let Ari and Slim J take the bumps and do work. That's why I think if they wanted to do matches they should have added another person as well. No shame in having Parker and Trench do Dark tapings for experience but it was just too big of a jump
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Post by r. on Mar 11, 2023 13:14:37 GMT -5
Kudos to AEW for not forcing it. Would a retooled Bear Country/Iron Savages work as the new mogul affiliates? They can pull of intimidating imo
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 11, 2023 15:18:40 GMT -5
I need to see this Parker match like I need air
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Post by coleslaw on Mar 11, 2023 15:20:32 GMT -5
obligatory "f***ing push Swerve already you pieces of s***" post
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 11, 2023 15:38:56 GMT -5
Swerve with backup and an entourage is a fine idea, but don't give him guys that can't go in the ring at his level and then put them in the ring.
But really, I like the idea of Swerve being on his own. He's good at playing that type of psychotic heel that is cold and cool, and that doesn't always play well with others.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 11, 2023 15:39:26 GMT -5
I’m sure Tony and Swerve’s intentions were the best, but these dudes were just not ready for tv, even as flunkies. No shame in just training more on Dark and Elevation for a year or two to actually develop more. I really get the hope and the idea of pulling people in and developing them, but frankly, I don't think that's the right way forward. Even with WWE's big money pumped into a training center, they can be hit or miss on producing standouts, and they've got a developmental prison colony they can let people spend years in. Parker went from not good enough for developmental to a big spot on Rampage and even if it's just Rampage, that's really just too much for the guy. AEW needs to be careful to not force things too fast with people because its from-the-ground-up prospects are not faring super well and I think it's easier to bring in someone who's had some rotations on the indies and helping build them up than it is to try and create someone from nothing. Finishing touches for guys like The Acclaimed and Top Flight rather than from-scratch prospects like Ogogo or Singh, who both were guys they started doing something with and thewn pulled back on when they realized that no this is a bad idea.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 11, 2023 16:19:08 GMT -5
I’m sure Tony and Swerve’s intentions were the best, but these dudes were just not ready for tv, even as flunkies. No shame in just training more on Dark and Elevation for a year or two to actually develop more. I really get the hope and the idea of pulling people in and developing them, but frankly, I don't think that's the right way forward. Even with WWE's big money pumped into a training center, they can be hit or miss on producing standouts, and they've got a developmental prison colony they can let people spend years in. Parker went from not good enough for developmental to a big spot on Rampage and even if it's just Rampage, that's really just too much for the guy. AEW needs to be careful to not force things too fast with people because its from-the-ground-up prospects are not faring super well and I think it's easier to bring in someone who's had some rotations on the indies and helping build them up than it is to try and create someone from nothing. Finishing touches for guys like The Acclaimed and Top Flight rather than from-scratch prospects like Ogogo or Singh, who both were guys they started doing something with and thewn pulled back on when they realized that no this is a bad idea. in fairness I think Oggogo is more of the case of the guy proving to be a bit more of a headache than he's worth judging by some of his tweets. Satnam though? I think they overestimated where he was I'd agree because they were clearly building the All Out program as Wardlow powerbombing Satnam so either he wasn't ready or Wardlow couldn't lift him (maybe both). But in general training from the ground up isn't a bad idea, but you have to then let them go out and learn to work their own style and come up with their own character. WWE is seeing that development is very hard. Which is why I think investing in your own school/schools is fine but you then have to let them go work other places. But I do like that AEW pairs young talent up with veterans whether they are basically rookies, or have been wrestling for a few years on the indies
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 11, 2023 16:26:03 GMT -5
I really get the hope and the idea of pulling people in and developing them, but frankly, I don't think that's the right way forward. Even with WWE's big money pumped into a training center, they can be hit or miss on producing standouts, and they've got a developmental prison colony they can let people spend years in. Parker went from not good enough for developmental to a big spot on Rampage and even if it's just Rampage, that's really just too much for the guy. AEW needs to be careful to not force things too fast with people because its from-the-ground-up prospects are not faring super well and I think it's easier to bring in someone who's had some rotations on the indies and helping build them up than it is to try and create someone from nothing. Finishing touches for guys like The Acclaimed and Top Flight rather than from-scratch prospects like Ogogo or Singh, who both were guys they started doing something with and thewn pulled back on when they realized that no this is a bad idea. in fairness I think Oggogo is more of the case of the guy proving to be a bit more of a headache than he's worth judging by some of his tweets. Satnam though? I think they overestimated where he was I'd agree because they were clearly building the All Out program as Wardlow powerbombing Satnam so either he wasn't ready or Wardlow couldn't lift him (maybe both). But in general training from the ground up isn't a bad idea, but you have to then let them go out and learn to work their own style and come up with their own character. WWE is seeing that development is very hard. Which is why I think investing in your own school/schools is fine but you then have to let them go work other places. But I do like that AEW pairs young talent up with veterans whether they are basically rookies, or have been wrestling for a few years on the indies And especially if you're training them and have them under contract, you have deals with other companies. Send them to Impact, send them to whatever's going to become of STRONG once they start doing whatever kind of shows they're going to be doing going forward. Send them to AAA. Work out a deal with MLW if Court will play ball. Get them experience that way.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 11, 2023 16:27:55 GMT -5
I really get the hope and the idea of pulling people in and developing them, but frankly, I don't think that's the right way forward. Even with WWE's big money pumped into a training center, they can be hit or miss on producing standouts, and they've got a developmental prison colony they can let people spend years in. Parker went from not good enough for developmental to a big spot on Rampage and even if it's just Rampage, that's really just too much for the guy. AEW needs to be careful to not force things too fast with people because its from-the-ground-up prospects are not faring super well and I think it's easier to bring in someone who's had some rotations on the indies and helping build them up than it is to try and create someone from nothing. Finishing touches for guys like The Acclaimed and Top Flight rather than from-scratch prospects like Ogogo or Singh, who both were guys they started doing something with and thewn pulled back on when they realized that no this is a bad idea. in fairness I think Oggogo is more of the case of the guy proving to be a bit more of a headache than he's worth judging by some of his tweets. Satnam though? I think they overestimated where he was I'd agree because they were clearly building the All Out program as Wardlow powerbombing Satnam so either he wasn't ready or Wardlow couldn't lift him (maybe both). But in general training from the ground up isn't a bad idea, but you have to then let them go out and learn to work their own style and come up with their own character. WWE is seeing that development is very hard. Which is why I think investing in your own school/schools is fine but you then have to let them go work other places. But I do like that AEW pairs young talent up with veterans whether they are basically rookies, or have been wrestling for a few years on the indies Ogogo ended up being a headache, but don't forget that they built up that huge PPV match and then he absolutely was not ready for it. The Cody situation was a big misplay. He's not here now because he's a headache, but he vanished when he did because he needed more time to develop. Training from the ground up isn't a bad idea, but it's a lot of trouble and AEW isn't really equipped to do that. They don't have the money to pay people to train the way WWE did and their only viable source of reps outside of working TV, which people aren't ready for if they're that green, is block taping Youtube shows. I just have big doubts that AEW is right now viably in a position to be shining up prospects from day one and putting the work in on them, rather than going the easier route of scoping out people catching fire and eyes on the indies and working on developing them better. People who've already been through training and are working indies, getting travel, doing stuff, and developing themselves away from AEW and away from expectation. You can do way more with someone hwo spent a few years learning how to work on the indies and who has that experience, but needs a veteran's touch, more than you can do with someone who is years out from being ready for the spot they're being put into right now live on TV.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 11, 2023 18:22:08 GMT -5
Why would you hire a guy who hasn't even had double digit matches and think he's automatically going to be a star? They didn't, he hasn't really been put in a position like Lesnar, he's been a heavy, that's not exactly "Star"
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 12, 2023 11:39:59 GMT -5
in fairness I think Oggogo is more of the case of the guy proving to be a bit more of a headache than he's worth judging by some of his tweets. Satnam though? I think they overestimated where he was I'd agree because they were clearly building the All Out program as Wardlow powerbombing Satnam so either he wasn't ready or Wardlow couldn't lift him (maybe both). But in general training from the ground up isn't a bad idea, but you have to then let them go out and learn to work their own style and come up with their own character. WWE is seeing that development is very hard. Which is why I think investing in your own school/schools is fine but you then have to let them go work other places. But I do like that AEW pairs young talent up with veterans whether they are basically rookies, or have been wrestling for a few years on the indies Ogogo ended up being a headache, but don't forget that they built up that huge PPV match and then he absolutely was not ready for it. The Cody situation was a big misplay. He's not here now because he's a headache, but he vanished when he did because he needed more time to develop. Training from the ground up isn't a bad idea, but it's a lot of trouble and AEW isn't really equipped to do that. They don't have the money to pay people to train the way WWE did and their only viable source of reps outside of working TV, which people aren't ready for if they're that green, is block taping Youtube shows. I just have big doubts that AEW is right now viably in a position to be shining up prospects from day one and putting the work in on them, rather than going the easier route of scoping out people catching fire and eyes on the indies and working on developing them better. People who've already been through training and are working indies, getting travel, doing stuff, and developing themselves away from AEW and away from expectation. You can do way more with someone hwo spent a few years learning how to work on the indies and who has that experience, but needs a veteran's touch, more than you can do with someone who is years out from being ready for the spot they're being put into right now live on TV. Fair, Ogogo also had eye surgery too, but you are right that he was nowhere near ready
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Post by Cyno on Mar 12, 2023 13:25:47 GMT -5
Ogogo had some really good-looking worked punches, including his finisher, but that's about it. When he did grappling moves, it went quickly from Ogogo to Ohnono.
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