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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 28, 2023 21:34:43 GMT -5
Calvin Tankman would totally work as the new right hand. Wardlow esque. Maybe have him and EJ Nduka re-unite as his new Affiliates. Down the line you can have tension between them and Gates of Agony for when you want to split the Embassy off and turn Swerve face.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Sept 29, 2023 5:27:55 GMT -5
I get where some of you are coming from with the Paul Heyman comparison, but I don't see it quite the same.
To me Paul Heyman helps put over the people he's working with. Nana only seems interested in getting himself over. He adds nothing of value to Swerve's act. In fact I think he dilutes it. He feels like a mascot.
Do I think Swerve should be solo? No. You put him with AR Fox and Tankman, and go back to the Mogul Affiliates, and you've made Swerve 1000% more legit looking as a mob boss.
Should he have "underlings"? Yes. But just because he should have people to do his bidding, doesn't mean it should be ANYONE. They should matter. They should be his hand picked group of cold blooded killers. He needs an actual crew that feels organic to him. It would only help elevate his status.
Like Allie said, it just feels like he has Nana's goons. I don't wanna see him go solo yet, but he'd be better off at the moment. He needs a more sadistic Suzuki-gun, and right now he feels like he has the Dungeon of Doom.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 29, 2023 5:33:47 GMT -5
I get where some of you are coming from with the Paul Heyman comparison, but I don't see it quite the same. To me Paul Heyman helps put over the people he's working with. Nana only seems interested in getting himself over. He adds nothing of value to Swerve's act. In fact I think he dilutes it. He feels like a mascot. Do I think Swerve should be solo? No. You put him with AR Fox and Tankman, and go back to the Mogul Affiliates, and you've made Swerve 1000% more legit looking as a mob boss. Should he have "underlings"? Yes. But just because he should have people to do his bidding, doesn't mean it should be ANYONE. They should matter. They should be his hand picked group of cold blooded killers. He needs an actual crew that feels organic to him. It would only help elevate his status. Like Allie said, it just feels like he has Nana's goons. I don't wanna see him go solo yet, but he'd be better off at the moment. He needs a more sadistic Suzuki-gun, and right now he feels like he has the Dungeon of Doom. I don't think Nana is Paul Heyman but I also don't think he dilutes the act or feels like "a mascot" He feels like he fits in as that goofy member of the mob with more power than maybe he should, but he's still under the main boss, and maybe one step from screwing it all up and feeling his wrath But he has gotten the entire stable over more as must see with his dance. It was insanely over at Arthur Ashe, and they know what they're doing with Swerve stopping it before the contract signing entrance. If he ends up brutalizing Nana down the road, it's gonna get a lot of heat if this keeps up.
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Post by deezy on Sept 29, 2023 6:43:57 GMT -5
I get where some of you are coming from with the Paul Heyman comparison, but I don't see it quite the same. To me Paul Heyman helps put over the people he's working with. Nana only seems interested in getting himself over. He adds nothing of value to Swerve's act. In fact I think he dilutes it. He feels like a mascot. Do I think Swerve should be solo? No. You put him with AR Fox and Tankman, and go back to the Mogul Affiliates, and you've made Swerve 1000% more legit looking as a mob boss. Should he have "underlings"? Yes. But just because he should have people to do his bidding, doesn't mean it should be ANYONE. They should matter. They should be his hand picked group of cold blooded killers. He needs an actual crew that feels organic to him. It would only help elevate his status. Like Allie said, it just feels like he has Nana's goons. I don't wanna see him go solo yet, but he'd be better off at the moment. He needs a more sadistic Suzuki-gun, and right now he feels like he has the Dungeon of Doom. You summed this up perfectly. I like Swerve having goons and I like the ones he has now ( could be worse ) but Nana just doesn't fit what Swerve is doing. He is more like a mascot and I can't stand his dancing ( I know I'm in the minority here ). To me, He brings nothing to the table. If Swerve has to have a manager I would like him to have someone like JJ Dillon. Who looked after Tully and Blanchard Enterprises. More of a business man than a goof who just dances around.
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Post by bob on Sept 29, 2023 7:30:40 GMT -5
I get where some of you are coming from with the Paul Heyman comparison, but I don't see it quite the same. To me Paul Heyman helps put over the people he's working with. Nana only seems interested in getting himself over. He adds nothing of value to Swerve's act. In fact I think he dilutes it. He feels like a mascot. Do I think Swerve should be solo? No. You put him with AR Fox and Tankman, and go back to the Mogul Affiliates, and you've made Swerve 1000% more legit looking as a mob boss. Should he have "underlings"? Yes. But just because he should have people to do his bidding, doesn't mean it should be ANYONE. They should matter. They should be his hand picked group of cold blooded killers. He needs an actual crew that feels organic to him. It would only help elevate his status. Like Allie said, it just feels like he has Nana's goons. I don't wanna see him go solo yet, but he'd be better off at the moment. He needs a more sadistic Suzuki-gun, and right now he feels like he has the Dungeon of Doom. You summed this up perfectly. I like Swerve having goons and I like the ones he has now ( could be worse ) but Nana just doesn't fit what Swerve is doing. He is more like a mascot and I can't stand his dancing ( I know I'm in the minority here ). To me, He brings nothing to the table. If Swerve has to have a manager I would like him to have someone like JJ Dillon. Who looked after Tully and Blanchard Enterprises. More of a business man than a goof who just dances around. we just became friends ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Sept 29, 2023 9:07:50 GMT -5
To me Nana serves as the mouthpiece for the Embassy, for Swerve he's more like his pyro and ballyhoo in human form.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 29, 2023 10:26:01 GMT -5
I feel like managers/valets is a lost art. They don't all need to be Paul Heyman or Bobby Heenan. AEW already has that in Don Callis.
Some are Jimmy Hart, some are Julius Smokes, and some are Woman (like CJ Perry for instance).
Nana is more like Jimmy Hart. And there's space for that, even for a guy like Swerve.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Sept 29, 2023 13:24:30 GMT -5
Maybe it’s the circles I ran in when I was younger but I’ve known a lot of situations where a guy like Swerve has a friend like Nana who seems to be the exact opposite but the second there’s trouble would be the first one there to back the friend up. Also, I have fond memories of the original Embassy back in 2006 with Jimmy Rave and Alex Shelley (and also Abyss though he didn’t do too many shows) so maybe that’s why I’m a big fan of the Mogul Embassy.
Now, I would love if Swerve had some proper heavies (big fan of the Calvin Tankman suggestions) but Brian Cage can take a loss and still be credible. When/if Swerve dumps him for disappointing him could lead to a big face turn for the Machine. In regards to the Gates of Agony, they’re the perfect size to be backups but also credible to be the “jobbers” of the group.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 13:48:44 GMT -5
I see Nana as just a hype man and Swerve keeps him around because he amuses him.
But the second Nana becomes a liability to Swerves goals is when Swerve is gonna put him down.
This is not a situation where Swerve needs him because he clearly does not BUT he serves his purpose as Swerve focuses on his actual goals and Nana is just there because he is IN DA MONEY , so in the end neither really cares about the other but they each serve a selfish means to an end for eachother.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Oct 1, 2023 1:59:03 GMT -5
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Oct 2, 2023 11:40:16 GMT -5
I will not tolerate Prince Nana hate on these boards. Been ride or die with The Embassy since 05 you put respect on my guy’s name.
Also regarding the Heyman mention, he certainly didn’t help Curtis Axel or Cesaro during his time as their manager and only saved his legacy by the work of The Uso’s and Reigns but that’s another discussion for another section of the board tbh.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 2, 2023 11:44:21 GMT -5
I posted this in the "Topics that don't deserve their own thread" um... thread, but here's as good a place as any to see it again.
Who would have ever guessed that The Embassy would be one of if not the longest running faction ever?
Ok it's had breaks but most have. But this would be like the Horsemen in the mid 2000s, the nWo in the mid 2010s, but it's still going!
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 2, 2023 11:55:35 GMT -5
I think it's important to note that, in kayfabe, Nana is also wealthy and influential and it makes sense for a character like Swerve to want to affiliate with him (pun intended) because of his power and influence.
I personally don't think Nana detracts from Swerve's act at all. It enhances it. Swerve is an evil sadistic mob boss who will do anything to achieve his goals, and Nana is a means to an end to supply him with goons and help him book big matches.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Oct 2, 2023 12:16:20 GMT -5
![](https://i.imgur.com/KSpD3ws.jpeg) On a related note, I know they were in Swerve's home town for Wrestle Dream so he was going to get treated like a babyface regardless, but DAMN if Nana's dance wasn't over with that crowd. Seeing rows and rows of people in the stands doing that during Swerve's entrance was a cool sight. I hope we get a Ultra Heel Swerve world title reign before the crowd forces him to go face [/quote]
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Post by Cyno on Oct 2, 2023 12:35:31 GMT -5
Prince Nana is so great as Swerve's hypeman and manager. Guy's been doing his thing since the early days of ROH and I love that he's gotten so over with a larger audience.
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Post by eJm on Oct 2, 2023 12:51:15 GMT -5
I posted this in the "Topics that don't deserve their own thread" um... thread, but here's as good a place as any to see it again. Who would have ever guessed that The Embassy would be one of if not the longest running faction ever? Ok it's had breaks but most have. But this would be like the Horsemen in the mid 2000s, the nWo in the mid 2010s, but it's still going! If you told me 10 years ago Prince Nana would be in a prominent company but in a big angle and The Embassy would still be a thing with him, I’d go “I’d love that so much but zero chance WWE would hire him or that would keep going”. It all just somehow works still? It’s super weird but I’m taking in every second considering all the history involved.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 2, 2023 13:14:07 GMT -5
I think it's important to note that, in kayfabe, Nana is also wealthy and influential and it makes sense for a character like Swerve to want to affiliate with him (pun intended) because of his power and influence. I personally don't think Nana detracts from Swerve's act at all. It enhances it. Swerve is an evil sadistic mob boss who will do anything to achieve his goals, and Nana is a means to an end to supply him with goons and help him book big matches. It's not that Nana detracts. It's more I'd like to see Swerve add some goons that belong to him instead of only having Nana's goons.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 3, 2023 0:09:13 GMT -5
I posted this in the "Topics that don't deserve their own thread" um... thread, but here's as good a place as any to see it again. Who would have ever guessed that The Embassy would be one of if not the longest running faction ever? Ok it's had breaks but most have. But this would be like the Horsemen in the mid 2000s, the nWo in the mid 2010s, but it's still going! I mean the NWO Were around in the mid 2010s.... sporadically but they were.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 3, 2023 1:56:38 GMT -5
I posted this in the "Topics that don't deserve their own thread" um... thread, but here's as good a place as any to see it again. Who would have ever guessed that The Embassy would be one of if not the longest running faction ever? Ok it's had breaks but most have. But this would be like the Horsemen in the mid 2000s, the nWo in the mid 2010s, but it's still going! I mean the NWO Were around in the mid 2010s.... sporadically but they were. Also as of 2018, Arik Cannon was inducted into the NWO by Hall and Nash at a House of Glory show Wish they'd have done more with that lol
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Post by chazraps on Oct 3, 2023 2:37:28 GMT -5
Nana is great for Swerve because it adds a fresh level of additional sadism to the act that makes complete sense. Swerve keeping someone around him who will childishly mock his opponents so he doesn't have to is the exact type of extra salt-in-the-wound a character like his would have. Plus, as said earlier on this page, kayfabe wise Nana is incredibly wealthy so it fits the plan and personas that Swerve would affiliate himself with.
Plus, seeing Swerve tell Nana not to dance before the contract signing was 1) great for heel heat 2) shows he's firmly the one in power in the dynamic and 3) allows a clear tell to the audience when the next gear of a feud is going to kick in.
If you think it doesn't add to the act, I think you may be misunderstanding the act. They're not a crime family. They're not a dynasty. They're an affiliation of entrepreneurs who take a brutally sadistic approach to their business, which happens to be professional athletics.
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