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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 21, 2023 18:47:14 GMT -5
I mean we really can’t knock titles can we?
WWE champion is still WWE champion especially for an “outsider” that was AJ Styles. Context matters. He won the title in his first 6-8 months in the company (with it being his first title win after beating Cena) and his 2nd go around was for a year
Even if majority of us wanted the title off of him, for him to have made it a year is still something
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 21, 2023 19:16:39 GMT -5
I’m a bit caught between “They’re not real things being won here, I understand not seeing them as some be-all/end-all thing” and “If they’re not that important, why is 90% of our chat about why it’s so important that Wrestler X must win it?”.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2023 19:21:23 GMT -5
I've even said that if Jay White goes to WWE he'd likely have the AJ Styles run... but that's said positively. AJ's been maybe had the greatest career for an outside talent outside of CM Punk, Daniel Bryan and Seth Rollins in the companies history
It's not guaranteed White would get that, it'd be what I expect. Will he even go to WWE though? That's still not known, but I think soon enough, if we don't see him before AEW Revolution or at the PPV itself, the arrow might point more towards it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 21, 2023 21:56:35 GMT -5
In all honesty? Eehhhhhh…it kinda isn’t. Not saying AJ’s been used badly, but WWE title runs don’t usually mean that much. Might change with the current creative regime in charge, but WWE’s had too much of a history of putting a belt on a guy because “well, the hell else we gonna do?” Grand slam champion includes a world title. I know.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 21, 2023 22:25:50 GMT -5
Grand slam champion includes a world title. I know. Sorry didn’t mean that to come off as condescending.
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Post by Stu on Feb 21, 2023 22:40:24 GMT -5
Never even heard of Jay White until this thread popped up. Just checked google. He looks like the child of Adam Cole and Seth Rollins
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Post by XIII on Feb 21, 2023 22:41:36 GMT -5
I saw a Reddit thread where someone theorized that Jay White is Uncle Howdy. LMAO
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Post by Squirrel Master on Feb 21, 2023 22:42:44 GMT -5
I think if it is indeed Jay White his finisher should be the slingshot suplex that Tully Blanchard and Barry Windham used to do.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 22, 2023 0:00:37 GMT -5
I saw a Reddit thread where someone theorized that Jay White is Uncle Howdy. LMAO
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Post by Killah Ray on Feb 22, 2023 0:19:00 GMT -5
I saw a Reddit thread where someone theorized that Jay White is Uncle Howdy. LMAO Checks out for me. Case closed.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 2, 2023 15:30:11 GMT -5
Jay White retweeted a January post he made linking to his PWTees store and put an hourglass and question mark. If his PWTees store is closing, I’d imagine that might mean he’s WWE-bound.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 16:23:44 GMT -5
Grand slam champion includes a world title. I know.
Alberto Del Rio and Jinder Mahal are WWE champs, which sort of proves that having held the main championship doesn't mean much.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 2, 2023 18:05:06 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio and Jinder Mahal are WWE champs, which sort of proves that having held the main championship doesn't mean much.
At least Alberto was decent in the ring, even if he was kinda boring. (Damning with faint praise) Jinder, on the other hand, hoooo boy. Though I guess I have to give him this, that time he left pools of blood and pus all over the ring from his backne exploding was more interesting than anything Alberto El Cokehead ever did.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 2, 2023 18:27:07 GMT -5
World titles don't always mean something but I'd say that AJ was absolutely treated like he mattered when he held the title. It did fall apart in time, but when he was first being geared up as Smackdown's top guy he really sold it and they put a lot of work into him. I struggle to think of many wrestlers who wouldn't be happy with the run AJ Styles had and it really does come down to people who are "the main event of Mania or burst" kinds of ambition.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 2, 2023 22:45:13 GMT -5
World titles don't always mean something but I'd say that AJ was absolutely treated like he mattered when he held the title. It did fall apart in time, but when he was first being geared up as Smackdown's top guy he really sold it and they put a lot of work into him. I struggle to think of many wrestlers who wouldn't be happy with the run AJ Styles had and it really does come down to people who are " the main event of Mania or burst" kinds of ambition. Yeah when AJ was champion he was treated as the centerpiece of the show as a heel and a face. The fact they gave him a program with Undertaker also shows how much they liked the guy. We didn’t know it would end up being Takers last match but everyone knew it was coming toward the end and they gave AJ one of those matches
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 2, 2023 22:54:17 GMT -5
I don't think they've done perfectly by AJ Styles or anything, between how rough the Redneck Rookie stuff was, the times he's kind of fallen off in relevance for years on end, how the Taker match is really the only thing he's done at WrestleMania that didn't just feel like table scraps (and even then the feud itself was hilariously terrible), and how they seem to keep falling back into leaning on Bullet Club as his entire identity, but for the most part they've done very well by him. Plenty of title reigns including the year long one and being a Grand Slam champion, beat Cena clean within a few months of entering the company, almost always portrayed as someone important who they can pretty much plug into anywhere on the card that needs it, he was on the cover of one of the games, it's certainly far better than I ever would have expected WWE to treat him back when he was in TNA.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Mar 3, 2023 2:57:27 GMT -5
Oh okay. So we're all just going to pretend that it isn't Nick Aldis?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 3, 2023 10:13:47 GMT -5
I don't think they've done perfectly by AJ Styles or anything, between how rough the Redneck Rookie stuff was, the times he's kind of fallen off in relevance for years on end, how the Taker match is really the only thing he's done at WrestleMania that didn't just feel like table scraps (and even then the feud itself was hilariously terrible), and how they seem to keep falling back into leaning on Bullet Club as his entire identity, but for the most part they've done very well by him. Plenty of title reigns including the year long one and being a Grand Slam champion, beat Cena clean within a few months of entering the company, almost always portrayed as someone important who they can pretty much plug into anywhere on the card that needs it, he was on the cover of one of the games, it's certainly far better than I ever would have expected WWE to treat him back when he was in TNA. I might challenge the "table scraps" thing slightly - he was never in the main event at Mania, but he always got stuff they tried to frame as important with the exception of the Omos tag match. Jericho, Shane, Nakamura in a WWE title match, Orton and Edge in one-on-one matches is a pretty good Mania resume. AJ did so well because once he got past those growing pains, he's almost always been presented as important. Even if his position on the card wasn't always main event or co-main event, they presented him like he mattered and the crowd bought into it. He's definitely starting to feel like an afterthought, but I would argue that makes sense - he's in his mid-40s, he hasn't taken a ton of time off so he's always been on TV< and he's probably got a year or two left as a full time guy. Jay White would probably be grateful if he had the kind of run AJ did in WWE. Hell, if Omega had that kind of run, he'd probably be happy, especially given Kenny's nearing the same age AJ was when he first showed up in WWE.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 3, 2023 10:37:49 GMT -5
Meltzer in the newsletter said that the circumstances indicate Jay White will be going to WWE but he’s not confirmed that.
There is an insider on the Observer forums that believes White to WWE is pretty much a done deal.
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Post by msc on Mar 3, 2023 10:46:52 GMT -5
Jinder was a shit champion and hanging onto him pretty much kiboshed Nakamura at the start. But... one shit champion (hi Ronnie Garvin, Vince McMahon/Vince Russo, CM Punk in AEW) can't derail a title's worth all by itself. And one great champion can squash years of terrible booking for a title - I feel bad downgrading Sami Zayn and Ricochet's efforts here, but Gunther and the IC title is Exhibit A.
Jay White seemed like a decent enough talent from his stint in AEW (I don't have time anymore to keep up to date with New Japan). But as I said in the AEW section recently, I feel like there's going to be a lot more coming and going between the major feds now - and the big winner of that will be the wrestlers.
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