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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 17, 2023 19:50:08 GMT -5
Unless WWE loosens up on what talent can do outside of WWE I don’t see the appeal for those that have basically been able to do what they want, when they want most of their careers and been super successful. Unless they get a ton of money of course - and even if they do, what happens when Vince decides to sell up. WWE has been throwing around a ton of money and can likely outbid for anyone they want. There’s also the fact that some talent are going to have dreams of wrestling at Wrestlemania at least once and for someone Omega’s age, it’s getting to the point where it might be now or never to have that match while still in his prime.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 17, 2023 20:19:05 GMT -5
On a purely selfish level, I hope Omega doesn't go to WWE. Kenny in AEW with the occasional trip to NJPW is going to deliver better matches than a WWE career would. I think the draw of still being able to work NJPW might be too much for Omega to make the jump.
WWE would be nuts if they didn't try and Kenny would be nuts if he didn't listen though. I hope he chooses whatever he thinks is best for him. Maybe headlining Wrestle Kingdom a couple of times is enough for his ego.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 17, 2023 20:45:51 GMT -5
Throw me in the small pool of people that find Jay White extremely overrated and outside of his expressive use of language I do not see the charisma either. In AEW the Acclaimed once said Jay Lethal was champion of the worst era of ROH and I feel the same about Jay White and the Club
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 20:49:04 GMT -5
Throw me in the small pool of people that find Jay White extremely overrated and outside of his expressive use of language I do not see the charisma either. In AEW the Acclaimed once said Jay Lethal was champion of the worst era of ROH and I feel the same about Jay White and the Club haha hey I said it was a small pool
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Post by Schizo on Feb 17, 2023 21:43:28 GMT -5
If Kenny jumps to WWE, so you’ll see him on Mondays or Fridays instead of Wednesdays having great matches with fresher opponents
The loathing and hating of WWE around here gets overly exaggerated sometimes lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2023 21:53:21 GMT -5
If Kenny jumps to WWE, so you’ll see him on Mondays or Fridays instead of Wednesdays having great matches with fresher opponents The loathing and hating of WWE around here gets overly exaggerated sometimes lol Or, hear me out People just really don't wanna see the guy in WWE and he still has plenty of fresh matches and opportunities in both AEW and New Japan alone WWE gets loathed and hated for very justified reasons man, hate to tell ya Vince coming back only made that worse.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 17, 2023 22:12:50 GMT -5
If Kenny jumps to WWE, so you’ll see him on Mondays or Fridays instead of Wednesdays having great matches with fresher opponents The loathing and hating of WWE around here gets overly exaggerated sometimes lol Bunch of us literally just explained on the last page why that has no allure to some of us. Read previous pages, please.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 17, 2023 22:17:56 GMT -5
Just to add onto this, at least personally, I think Kenny owuld have great matches, but I don't know that he'd have the same kind of great matches. Look at someone like Danielson, who is also up there for a claim of best wrestler going. He had a lot of killer matches in WWE, but it takes only one look at his work the past year and a half to see him working in ways he did not work in WWE. Kenny would work in a very similar way. WWE style is just a lot more rigid and set, so you won't get the kind of stuff Kenny's done and is able to do, won't have that same depth of style match-ups. Kenny can work amazing matches in WWE but it wouldn't mean they would be the best matches Kenny can work. Kenny having amazing matches is a foregone conclusion, but the excitement is in the surprise, in the range of stories and styles and ways he can go about it. WWE roots itself too much in predictability and in specific, rote spots for me to hope that the more dynamic elements to what he can do would carry over. Yeah, I've said it before but Samoa Joe and Bryan Danielson were two of the biggest reasons I got as deep into pro wrestling as I did back circa 2004-2005, after kind of settling on the idea that "oh, I guess the glory days of my fandom will always be Hulkamania era WWF" only to have stuff like old school ROH and puro open my eyes to a whole new level of things...but I couldn't get myself to follow them to WWE when they went there. Obviously glad they made a lot of money and got a lot of exposure, and they had good matches there, but having watched a few of those matches over time it was hard not to feel like they were wearing limiters, not because they weren't doing good spots or crazy moves, but because WWE's ring psychology and storytelling tends to, as you say, pretty rote. Said it before and I'll say it again, the one match I said for awhile I'd go out of my way to see if it happened in a WWE ring was Brock Lesnar vs. Samoa Joe, and when it actually happened and had that intense build up to it I went out of my way to watch it, and holy shit did I walk away completely disappointed...but having seen Joe since then it drove home that it's largely because the way WWE does matches just doesn't really do anything for me. So yeah, Kenny Omega, Kota Ibushi, and Jay White have done some of my favorite work as in-ring storytellers over the last five-plus years, but if they were in WWE I can't say I'd really be tempted to watch their output there much at all. Of all the Joe WWE matches to watch, you saw the Joe-Lesnar one! That was just a solid match (Lesnar’s best work has been with smaller guys), whereas Joe had a bunch of 4+ star matches, including a 4-way a month later that Meltzer gave 4.75 stars. The Joe-Styles matches were also up there ratings-wise, at least (not sure if Meltzer and you have similar tastes).
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Post by XIII on Feb 17, 2023 22:21:21 GMT -5
On a purely selfish level, I hope Omega doesn't go to WWE. Kenny in AEW with the occasional trip to NJPW is going to deliver better matches than a WWE career would. I think the draw of still being able to work NJPW might be too much for Omega to make the jump. WWE would be nuts if they didn't try and Kenny would be nuts if he didn't listen though. I hope he chooses whatever he thinks is best for him. Maybe headlining Wrestle Kingdom a couple of times is enough for his ego. WWE has been way more willing to work with other promotions so I'm sure that if it came down to it they would work a deal where Kenny could work some big shows in Japan while wrestling full time in the WWE. I don't really anticipate him jumping any time soon, but it's not impossible either.
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Post by Fade on Feb 17, 2023 23:17:15 GMT -5
Ok well if it isn't Kenny I'm genuinely curious who it is I wouldn't be shocked if they're considering Ibushi, I would be shocked if he'd give up his freelancing freedoms though tbh Passing over Jay White in general is kind of f***ing nuts though? Like, the dude's as good as advertised, it's not like WWE to just be like "Eh he can just go to AEW for now", just kind of a shock lolEh..might be a power move. Particularly if this Kenny-rumor is true. Jay probably needs WWE more than WWE needs Jay. I’m speaking as a gigantic White fan. Consistently in my Top 5/Top 10 the last few years and a personal favorite. But he didn’t set the world ablaze in AEW. As that giant Jay fan, I give him the benefit of the doubt and partially blame AEW for its lackluster presentation of him. But again, if he goes, he’ll be another dude on AEW. If he goes to WWE, he can be molded (if everything works out right) as a possible future center-piece of the company. HHH Jr, essentially. And again, if this Kenny thing is true, Kenny absolutely trumps Jay as a signing. Just a fact. ..I don’t know how to feel about Kenny possibly leaving. On one hand - Yay! Fricken awesome! Kenny gets the worldwide recognition he deserves, nails some last minute dream matches of his, and will arguably be working a much safer style. Plus money. ..on the other hand, that is a gigantic loss for AEW. Gigantic.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2023 23:23:58 GMT -5
Ok well if it isn't Kenny I'm genuinely curious who it is I wouldn't be shocked if they're considering Ibushi, I would be shocked if he'd give up his freelancing freedoms though tbh Passing over Jay White in general is kind of f***ing nuts though? Like, the dude's as good as advertised, it's not like WWE to just be like "Eh he can just go to AEW for now", just kind of a shock lolEh..might be a power move. Particularly if this Kenny-rumor is true. Jay probably needs WWE more than WWE needs Jay. I’m speaking as a gigantic White fan. Consistently in my Top 5/Top 10 the last few years and a personal favorite. But he didn’t set the world ablaze in AEW. As that giant Jay fan, I give him the benefit of the doubt and partially blame AEW for its lackluster presentation of him. But again, if he goes, he’ll be another dude on AEW. If he goes to WWE, he can be molded (if everything works out right) as a possible future center-piece of the company. HHH Jr, essentially. And again, if this Kenny thing is true, Kenny absolutely trumps Jay as a signing. Just a fact. ..I don’t know how to feel about Kenny possibly leaving. On one hand - Yay! Fricken awesome! Kenny gets the worldwide recognition he deserves, nails some last minute dream matches of his, and will arguably be working a much safer style. Plus money. ..on the other hand, that is a gigantic loss for AEW. Gigantic. I still think Kenny's gotten a lot of the worldwide acclaim he's earned and deserved without stepping foot into WWE on a serious level. Obviously it'd give him further acclaim, but if there were a handful of stars who never, ever needed WWE to become a megastar, Omega's on the short list And yes, it'd be a huge loss for AEW, and the wrestling world as a whole outside of the WWE bubble...
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Post by Fade on Feb 17, 2023 23:28:24 GMT -5
Eh..might be a power move. Particularly if this Kenny-rumor is true. Jay probably needs WWE more than WWE needs Jay. I’m speaking as a gigantic White fan. Consistently in my Top 5/Top 10 the last few years and a personal favorite. But he didn’t set the world ablaze in AEW. As that giant Jay fan, I give him the benefit of the doubt and partially blame AEW for its lackluster presentation of him. But again, if he goes, he’ll be another dude on AEW. If he goes to WWE, he can be molded (if everything works out right) as a possible future center-piece of the company. HHH Jr, essentially. And again, if this Kenny thing is true, Kenny absolutely trumps Jay as a signing. Just a fact. ..I don’t know how to feel about Kenny possibly leaving. On one hand - Yay! Fricken awesome! Kenny gets the worldwide recognition he deserves, nails some last minute dream matches of his, and will arguably be working a much safer style. Plus money. ..on the other hand, that is a gigantic loss for AEW. Gigantic. I still think Kenny's gotten a lot of the worldwide acclaim he's earned and deserved without stepping foot into WWE on a serious level. Obviously it'd give him further acclaim, but if there were a handful of stars who never, ever needed WWE to become a megastar, Omega's on the short list And yes, it'd be a huge loss for AEW, and the wrestling world as a whole outside of the WWE bubble... Kenny is an international star and his match with Okada (and series) was a huge component of the overall catalyst that got the ball rolling into the Elite’s fame and creation of AEW. But he would absolutely be on a different stratosphere with WWE’s platform. Call it “megastar”, call it what you will.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2023 23:30:29 GMT -5
I still think Kenny's gotten a lot of the worldwide acclaim he's earned and deserved without stepping foot into WWE on a serious level. Obviously it'd give him further acclaim, but if there were a handful of stars who never, ever needed WWE to become a megastar, Omega's on the short list And yes, it'd be a huge loss for AEW, and the wrestling world as a whole outside of the WWE bubble... Kenny is an international star and his match with Okada (and series) was a huge component of the overall catalyst that got the ball rolling into the Elite’s fame and creation of AEW. But he would absolutely be on a different stratosphere with WWE’s platform. Call it “megastar”, call it what you will. That's if they pushed him correctly, sure. I imagine he would, he's get the AJ Styles level of push that he'd deserve or the world would destroy them tbh. I still don't think he actively needs it to have the acclaim he already does and continues to have gotten. So, in my personal view, I hope he stays where he is and helps elevate AEW in its formative years.
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Post by Fade on Feb 17, 2023 23:34:17 GMT -5
Kenny is an international star and his match with Okada (and series) was a huge component of the overall catalyst that got the ball rolling into the Elite’s fame and creation of AEW. But he would absolutely be on a different stratosphere with WWE’s platform. Call it “megastar”, call it what you will. That's if they pushed him correctly, sure. I imagine he would, he's get the AJ Styles level of push that he'd deserve or the world would destroy them tbh. I still don't think he actively needs it to have the acclaim he already does and continues to have gotten. So, in my personal view, I hope he stays where he is and helps elevate AEW in its formative years. I don’t get this statement. He..doesn’t need it to get the “acclaim he already does and continues to be gettin”. The point is WWE would have him getting more acclaim. It’s .. pretty much just a fact 🤷 Regardless, who knows if that’s even in Kenny’s thinking. And I too kind of hope he stays to help develop AEW in their formative years. Because they need him.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 17, 2023 23:43:12 GMT -5
Omega’s legacy is pretty secure even if he never has a WWE run. I don’t think it lives or dies on the sole basis of him being a holdout.
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Post by Fade on Feb 17, 2023 23:45:13 GMT -5
Omega’s legacy is pretty secure even if he never has a WWE run. I don’t think it lives or dies on the sole basis of him being a holdout. Absolutely not. But it’ll almost undoubtedly be grander if he goes to WWE. I don’t know how this is arguable unless we’re talking “workrate”. And even then..that’s massively undervaluing Kenny’s prowess even within WWE’s “style”.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Feb 17, 2023 23:49:37 GMT -5
THE 39 YEAR OLD KENNY
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Feb 18, 2023 0:02:31 GMT -5
I’m not opposed to the idea of Kenny going to WWE at all, but I don’t think that I agree that going there will inherently improve his legacy.
As things stand, he’s easily the greatest and most acclaimed North American wrestler to never compete on the WWE main roster. There’s something to be said for that, and he seems to be someone who really values the fact that he’s been able to build a legacy as an all-time great without ever being a cog in the WWE machine.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 18, 2023 0:07:40 GMT -5
I’m not opposed to the idea of Kenny going to WWE at all, but I don’t think that I agree that going there will inherently improve his legacy. As things stand, he’s easily the greatest and most acclaimed North American wrestler to never compete on the WWE main roster. There’s something to be said for that, and he seems to be someone who really values the fact that he’s been able to build a legacy as an all-time great without ever being a cog in the WWE machine. It will improve his legacy by the fact that so many more people will know about him and see him in his prime. There are a ton of fans with little to no exposure to him.
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Post by Fade on Feb 18, 2023 0:16:41 GMT -5
I’m not opposed to the idea of Kenny going to WWE at all, but I don’t think that I agree that going there will inherently improve his legacy. As things stand, he’s easily the greatest and most acclaimed North American wrestler to never compete on the WWE main roster. There’s something to be said for that, and he seems to be someone who really values the fact that he’s been able to build a legacy as an all-time great without ever being a cog in the WWE machine. It will improve his legacy by the fact that so many more people will know about him and see him in his prime. There are a ton of fans with little to no exposure to him. Basically that. If he stays in AEW, helping that company thrive, balancing out the industry and helping foster all their young talents could as well be a huge contribution to his legacy. The difference is in one being more centered on Kenny and the other being that of a giving, selfless nature. And again, who knows what Kenny wants and where his mind’s at. It could be money, it could be friends, it could be his age, etc etc
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