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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 18, 2023 0:20:53 GMT -5
It will improve his legacy by the fact that so many more people will know about him and see him in his prime. There are a ton of fans with little to no exposure to him. Basically that. If he stays in AEW, helping that company thrive, balancing out the industry and helping foster all their young talents could as well be a huge contribution to his legacy. The difference is in one being more centered on Kenny and the other being that of a giving, selfless nature. And again, who knows what Kenny wants and where his mind’s at. It could be money, it could be friends, it could be his age, etc etc It's an AJ Styles situation, he doesn't need WWE, if he went there, he'd undoubtedly get the same type of push that likely puts him in their Hall of Fame It's gonna be a mixed bag on fans being cool about him going there, way more than Cody I think, but it's as we keep saying, nothing's really leaning the way that Kenny would actually go there, it's all speculation. Still think it's crazy that they're just letting Jay White walk to AEW no matter who it is though. Like I know Jay White isn't Kenny Omega at this stage but he's like a Top 10-15 wrestler in the entire world in a lot of peoples heads...
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Feb 18, 2023 0:22:19 GMT -5
I’m not opposed to the idea of Kenny going to WWE at all, but I don’t think that I agree that going there will inherently improve his legacy. As things stand, he’s easily the greatest and most acclaimed North American wrestler to never compete on the WWE main roster. There’s something to be said for that, and he seems to be someone who really values the fact that he’s been able to build a legacy as an all-time great without ever being a cog in the WWE machine. It will improve his legacy by the fact that so many more people will know about him and see him in his prime. There are a ton of fans with little to no exposure to him. I completely understand the many reasons why Kenny might choose to have a run in WWE in the twilight of his prime, and that WWE will expose him to more people. Also, I can’t imagine growing up a wrestling fan and not wanting to work at least one Wrestlemania. But, I’m also not sure that doing the WWE run is better, “legacy”-wise than remaining the greatest wrestler to never compete in WWE. That’s a very particular and unique niche he fills right now. Even a cup of coffee in WWE, and that’s all gone.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 18, 2023 0:29:11 GMT -5
It will improve his legacy by the fact that so many more people will know about him and see him in his prime. There are a ton of fans with little to no exposure to him. I completely understand the many reasons why Kenny might choose to have a run in WWE in the twilight of his prime, and that WWE will expose him to more people. Also, I can’t imagine growing up a wrestling fan and not wanting to work at least one Wrestlemania. But, I’m also not sure that doing the WWE run is better, “legacy”-wise than remaining the greatest wrestler to never compete in WWE. That’s a very particular and unique niche he fills right now. Even a cup of coffee in WWE, and that’s all gone. I guess it’s the difference of the quality of the legacy for a smaller group of people (the more hardcore fandom) versus the legacy growing by being successful on the biggest platform.
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Post by Fade on Feb 18, 2023 0:31:11 GMT -5
It will improve his legacy by the fact that so many more people will know about him and see him in his prime. There are a ton of fans with little to no exposure to him. I completely understand the many reasons why Kenny might choose to have a run in WWE in the twilight of his prime, and that WWE will expose him to more people. Also, I can’t imagine growing up a wrestling fan and not wanting to work at least one Wrestlemania. But, I’m also not sure that doing the WWE run is better, “legacy”-wise than remaining the greatest wrestler to never compete in WWE. That’s a very particular and unique niche he fills right now. Even a cup of coffee in WWE, and that’s all gone. Being “the greatest to have never set foot in WWE” is such a strange feather in the cap to me. Helping balance things out by majorly aiding AEW, I get. Because it might be what’s better for the industry. Question is if that’s what Kenny wants. “Change the World” was the Elite’s slogan and they’ve already done that tbh.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Feb 18, 2023 0:38:13 GMT -5
I completely understand the many reasons why Kenny might choose to have a run in WWE in the twilight of his prime, and that WWE will expose him to more people. Also, I can’t imagine growing up a wrestling fan and not wanting to work at least one Wrestlemania. But, I’m also not sure that doing the WWE run is better, “legacy”-wise than remaining the greatest wrestler to never compete in WWE. That’s a very particular and unique niche he fills right now. Even a cup of coffee in WWE, and that’s all gone. Being “the greatest to have never set foot in WWE” is such a strange feather in the cap to me. Helping balance things out by majorly aiding AEW, I get. Because it might be what’s better for the industry. Question is if that’s what Kenny wants. “Change the World” was the Elite’s slogan and they’ve already done that tbh. I think being an internationally known star who is the biggest North American wrestler in the history of Japanese wrestling, and who helped establish a successful television wrestling property, and will go down as one of the greatest wrestlers of this generation without ever having been promoted by the WWE machine is definitely a feather in the cap. And a very unique one, at that. Kenny right now is Dookie era Green Day. If he goes to WWE, he’s releasing American Idiot. He will undoubtedly be wildly successful and reach new heights and a new audience. But, I just don’t think it’ll necessarily be good for his legacy.
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Post by Fade on Feb 18, 2023 0:42:10 GMT -5
Being “the greatest to have never set foot in WWE” is such a strange feather in the cap to me. Helping balance things out by majorly aiding AEW, I get. Because it might be what’s better for the industry. Question is if that’s what Kenny wants. “Change the World” was the Elite’s slogan and they’ve already done that tbh. I think being an internationally known star who is the biggest North American wrestler in the history of Japanese wrestling, and who helped establish a successful television wrestling property, and will go down as one of the greatest wrestlers of this generation without ever having been promoted by the WWE machine is definitely a feather in the cap. And a very unique one, at that. Kenny right now is Dookie era Green Day. If he goes to WWE, he’s releasing American Idiot. He will undoubtedly be wildly successful and reach new heights and a new audience. But, I just don’t think it’ll necessarily be good for his legacy.Very good comparison lol. That’s basically it. Definitely in the eye of the beholder as to what’ll be “best” for his legacy, but that’s it right there.
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Post by lockedontarget on Feb 18, 2023 1:02:34 GMT -5
The thing is I don’t want the legacy of my favourite wrestler to be tainted by being a part of the Saudi Arabia Genocidal Prince Propaganda Company.
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Post by Andy Martin on Feb 18, 2023 1:25:26 GMT -5
Being “the greatest to have never set foot in WWE” is such a strange feather in the cap to me. Helping balance things out by majorly aiding AEW, I get. Because it might be what’s better for the industry. Question is if that’s what Kenny wants. “Change the World” was the Elite’s slogan and they’ve already done that tbh. I think being an internationally known star who is the biggest North American wrestler in the history of Japanese wrestling, and who helped establish a successful television wrestling property, and will go down as one of the greatest wrestlers of this generation without ever having been promoted by the WWE machine is definitely a feather in the cap. And a very unique one, at that. Kenny right now is Dookie era Green Day. If he goes to WWE, he’s releasing American Idiot. He will undoubtedly be wildly successful and reach new heights and a new audience. But, I just don’t think it’ll necessarily be good for his legacy. Kenny right now is post-PRIDE era Fedor Emelianenko. Arguably the best in the world, but not in the “big time”
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Feb 18, 2023 2:37:05 GMT -5
What if its Nick Aldis?
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Post by Fade on Feb 18, 2023 3:32:45 GMT -5
Basically that. If he stays in AEW, helping that company thrive, balancing out the industry and helping foster all their young talents could as well be a huge contribution to his legacy. The difference is in one being more centered on Kenny and the other being that of a giving, selfless nature. And again, who knows what Kenny wants and where his mind’s at. It could be money, it could be friends, it could be his age, etc etc It's an AJ Styles situation, he doesn't need WWE, if he went there, he'd undoubtedly get the same type of push that likely puts him in their Hall of Fame It's gonna be a mixed bag on fans being cool about him going there, way more than Cody I think, but it's as we keep saying, nothing's really leaning the way that Kenny would actually go there, it's all speculation. Still think it's crazy that they're just letting Jay White walk to AEW no matter who it is though. Like I know Jay White isn't Kenny Omega at this stage but he's like a Top 10-15 wrestler in the entire world in a lot of peoples heads... It is similar to AJ’s situation. Same age too. I can’t imagine WWE the last few years without AJ. He was the “greatest who had never stepped foot in WWE” at one point too. If it’s going to happen for Kenny, it’s probably now. Here’s another thing I wondered, if Kenny leaves, TK’s probably going to do everything in his power to get Punk back in.
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Post by Schizo on Feb 18, 2023 3:45:39 GMT -5
Kenny finally having a high profile match at a Wrestlemania would be an absolute sight to see, dude deserves it, he would definitely thrive in WWE and I could absolutely see him mirroring the same career AJ had here in WWE
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 18, 2023 3:50:15 GMT -5
Can't wait to see people online backtracking years of shitting on Kenny Omega for wrestling outside of WWE and pretending that they were always fans of him.
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Post by Legion on Feb 18, 2023 6:29:15 GMT -5
Going to WWE would also likely elongate his career. They style change would help immensely
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 18, 2023 6:36:00 GMT -5
Basically that. If he stays in AEW, helping that company thrive, balancing out the industry and helping foster all their young talents could as well be a huge contribution to his legacy. The difference is in one being more centered on Kenny and the other being that of a giving, selfless nature. And again, who knows what Kenny wants and where his mind’s at. It could be money, it could be friends, it could be his age, etc etc It's an AJ Styles situation, he doesn't need WWE, if he went there, he'd undoubtedly get the same type of push that likely puts him in their Hall of Fame It's gonna be a mixed bag on fans being cool about him going there, way more than Cody I think, but it's as we keep saying, nothing's really leaning the way that Kenny would actually go there, it's all speculation. Still think it's crazy that they're just letting Jay White walk to AEW no matter who it is though. Like I know Jay White isn't Kenny Omega at this stage but he's like a Top 10-15 wrestler in the entire world in a lot of peoples heads... It's weird, Jay would be far more valuable to them just for how long he should be able to work at a high level (of course there's no guarantees). Could be a top star for the next decade. Omega's benefits are far more short-term. However they include harming the opposition which is probably the main reason it's their priority.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 18, 2023 9:09:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I've said it before but Samoa Joe and Bryan Danielson were two of the biggest reasons I got as deep into pro wrestling as I did back circa 2004-2005, after kind of settling on the idea that "oh, I guess the glory days of my fandom will always be Hulkamania era WWF" only to have stuff like old school ROH and puro open my eyes to a whole new level of things...but I couldn't get myself to follow them to WWE when they went there. Obviously glad they made a lot of money and got a lot of exposure, and they had good matches there, but having watched a few of those matches over time it was hard not to feel like they were wearing limiters, not because they weren't doing good spots or crazy moves, but because WWE's ring psychology and storytelling tends to, as you say, pretty rote. Said it before and I'll say it again, the one match I said for awhile I'd go out of my way to see if it happened in a WWE ring was Brock Lesnar vs. Samoa Joe, and when it actually happened and had that intense build up to it I went out of my way to watch it, and holy shit did I walk away completely disappointed...but having seen Joe since then it drove home that it's largely because the way WWE does matches just doesn't really do anything for me. So yeah, Kenny Omega, Kota Ibushi, and Jay White have done some of my favorite work as in-ring storytellers over the last five-plus years, but if they were in WWE I can't say I'd really be tempted to watch their output there much at all. Of all the Joe WWE matches to watch, you saw the Joe-Lesnar one! That was just a solid match (Lesnar’s best work has been with smaller guys), whereas Joe had a bunch of 4+ star matches, including a 4-way a month later that Meltzer gave 4.75 stars. The Joe-Styles matches were also up there ratings-wise, at least (not sure if Meltzer and you have similar tastes). I saw plenty of Joe/AJ in TNA; I specifically wanted Joe vs. Brock because I wanted to see the kind of match that Joe did with people like Kenta Kobashi and other big, hulking, heavy hitters who love to throw strikes and suplexes. Instead, even after all the hype buildup, the match was just nothing; Joe attacks Brock before the bell, Brock F5's him after a few minutes, no memorable story or exchanges. I couldn't get over that; made me realize I just couldn't look to WWE for "dream matches" because the format of their matches inherently kept that from happening, at least for my tastes in wrestling.
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Post by salz4life on Feb 18, 2023 9:22:04 GMT -5
Can't wait to see people online backtracking years of shitting on Kenny Omega for wrestling outside of WWE and pretending that they were always fans of him. I mean this will also go the other way. There would be non-WWE fans that have praised Kenny Omega as a God of wrestling that will change their minds if he goes to WWE. Let's not pretend otherwise...
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 18, 2023 9:25:51 GMT -5
It's Brandi Rhodes. Only member of AEW Unrivaled Series 1 that is currently a Free Agent. She’s repping the ladies!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 18, 2023 9:36:10 GMT -5
Can't wait to see people online backtracking years of shitting on Kenny Omega for wrestling outside of WWE and pretending that they were always fans of him. I mean this will also go the other way. There would be non-WWE fans that have praised Kenny Omega as a God of wrestling that will change their minds if he goes to WWE. Let's not pretend otherwise... Did that literally ever happen to any scale at all with Danielson? And he was signed on in 2009, a time when things seemed a lot bleaker for a guy like him and I'd say WWE was actually probably in a worse spot with that kind of fan than they are now. I think you'll see a lot of people saying Kenny is maybe squandering his potential, that seems very possible. But I struggle to think of anyone who went from buzz outside of WWE to really turned on within it who wasn't actually a wash-out failure or clearly half-assing it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 18, 2023 9:37:57 GMT -5
Of all the Joe WWE matches to watch, you saw the Joe-Lesnar one! That was just a solid match (Lesnar’s best work has been with smaller guys), whereas Joe had a bunch of 4+ star matches, including a 4-way a month later that Meltzer gave 4.75 stars. The Joe-Styles matches were also up there ratings-wise, at least (not sure if Meltzer and you have similar tastes). I saw plenty of Joe/AJ in TNA; I specifically wanted Joe vs. Brock because I wanted to see the kind of match that Joe did with people like Kenta Kobashi and other big, hulking, heavy hitters who love to throw strikes and suplexes. Instead, even after all the hype buildup, the match was just nothing; Joe attacks Brock before the bell, Brock F5's him after a few minutes, no memorable story or exchanges. I couldn't get over that; made me realize I just couldn't look to WWE for "dream matches" because the format of their matches inherently kept that from happening, at least for my tastes in wrestling. Gotcha I think my point was more that WWE does have those types of matches with memorable stories and exchanges, but Brock just hasn’t really meshed and told those stories with larger opponents 90% of the time and at times is completely formulaic in how he lays out his matches. The Brock vs. Cena, vs. AJ, vs. Punk and vs. Bryan matches were all top notch and told stories.
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Post by salz4life on Feb 18, 2023 9:38:13 GMT -5
I mean this will also go the other way. There would be non-WWE fans that have praised Kenny Omega as a God of wrestling that will change their minds if he goes to WWE. Let's not pretend otherwise... Did that literally ever happen to any scale at all with Danielson? And he was signed on in 2009, a time when things seemed a lot bleaker for a guy like him and I'd say WWE was actually probably in a worse spot with that kind of fan than they are now. I'm just saying... there will be AEW fans that think he is a God that will suddenly think a lot less of him if he goes to WWE. If you don't believe that, well... I don't know what to tell you. I just think it's dumb to think it will just be WWE fans that will "change their tune" on Kenny Omega.
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