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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 18, 2023 3:35:51 GMT -5
I don’t know if another thread has been made but I feel like the quality of the show hasn’t been as good since he’s been the champ and Mox was sent in a meh face vs face fued with Hangman. MJF obviously has a lot of potential but I think a short run with the belt is all he needs right now. I think he should either lose it to Bryan at revolution or hangman at Double Or Nothing. I don’t even care if they cancel the whole 2024 storyline since I’m pretty sure Tony wouldn’t give him a world title if he actually re signed.
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 18, 2023 3:49:50 GMT -5
I don't really agree the show has taken a quality hit since he became champ as it was on a pretty long roll until this week's dud, but there are tendencies where his promos get to be extremely overlong and annoying/not in a good heel way. Best example of that was the pre Danielson/Takeshita promo which wrecked the crowd for no reason for a few minutes during the match/allowed MJF to be racist and then beat Takeshita clean a few weeks later. Which sucked. But ultimately, as long as he's a little bit restrained (the promo with Daniels was good), he's fine.
Do think it might be a better call to have Danielson win just because I want a few weeks off from him, but it's not the end of the world if he keeps it. He should wrestle more, though, since I think his in-ring work is better than his mic work and he barely ever gets to show it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 18, 2023 3:55:58 GMT -5
Think the looming specter of MJF being champion for ten more months is the biggest thing making me largely disinterested in AEW right now. Dude's shit has gotten incredibly stale, it's well past time to evolve his character into something else and he seems hellbent on avoiding doing that. He's great when he can be assed to try but it feels like the Punk and Cody feuds are the only times where he actually has tried.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Feb 18, 2023 3:59:51 GMT -5
Umm, put a mask on him?
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 18, 2023 4:04:21 GMT -5
I'm enjoying it but it clearly hasn't gone how they planned. I think he'll drop it to Cole, Starks or Kingston by summer.
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Post by The Trashman on Feb 18, 2023 4:13:42 GMT -5
They should have given him a run much sooner as it felt really anti climactic and obvious by the time he got the belt.
Sometime during the Pinnacle days would have been perfect and the Wardlow turn would have meant more if it cost him the title.
The weird face stuff they started doing at the start of his reign didn't help and he hasn't really evolved past cheap heat.
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Post by chrom on Feb 18, 2023 5:15:00 GMT -5
Ever since Starks eviscerated him and his whole character, he's taken a nosedive in quality.
Lowest form of heat, screaming every word, rambling on and on with no progression. And a severe lack of ringtime. He's had, maybe two matches the past four months?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 18, 2023 6:02:35 GMT -5
Ever since Starks eviscerated him and his whole character, he's taken a nosedive in quality. Lowest form of heat, screaming every word, rambling on and on with no progression. And a severe lack of ringtime. He's had, maybe two matches the past four months? He's given some really good promos including the "Sweet Liv" one and the one with Daniels imo, and his whole shtick is he doesn't wrestle often, it's been that way well before he won the belt The Takeshita match was great for this reason, he was putting Danielson through a wringer to wear him down, he wrestled one match and hurt his knee on a Powerbomb Knee Breaker showing off. He wants to be the champion without putting the work in to do it and act like he's the hottest shit.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 18, 2023 6:18:28 GMT -5
I like MJF generally, but I feel like he's in a slump right now. I am sure he's probably not losing to Bryan, but I feel like if he does, that'd actually do a lot ot rejuvenate the character. Give him some adversity and something to scramble back from, or truly humble him.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 18, 2023 6:22:12 GMT -5
I think it’s possible they might have over-estimated how much juice remains in the top heel MJF orange without a notable character shift. I mean, he hasn’t had the belt relatively long, but he’s been in a similar position on the card playing this role since day one of the company... which, by the by, is just over four years now.
And that’s not to say he shouldn’t be. Dude is immensely talented. But very few wrestlers that have weekly television exposure get to this three, four, five year area in a specific phase of their persona and don’t start to get stale on some level without at least an alignment shift. And what sucks is that he’s probably got a great babyface run in him, but it doesn’t seem like something he’s interested in doing.
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Post by msc on Feb 18, 2023 7:36:30 GMT -5
I think it’s possible they might have over-estimated how much juice remains in the top heel MJF orange without a notable character shift. I mean, he hasn’t had the belt relatively long, but he’s been in a similar position on the card playing this role since day one of the company... which, by the by, is just over four years now. And that’s not to say he shouldn’t be. Dude is immensely talented. But very few wrestlers that have weekly television exposure get to this three, four, five year area in a specific phase of their persona and don’t start to get stale on some level without at least an alignment shift. And what sucks is that he’s probably got a great babyface run in him, but it doesn’t seem like something he’s interested in doing. I like how 3 months is a short time now for a World title btw - we've come a long way since 1999-2000. That said, MJF has been fast forward material for ages, and AEW main event has been in a slump since they ended Hangman Page's run early to give CM Punk the belt - which has to be noted as an error.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 18, 2023 7:57:15 GMT -5
I think it’s possible they might have over-estimated how much juice remains in the top heel MJF orange without a notable character shift. I mean, he hasn’t had the belt relatively long, but he’s been in a similar position on the card playing this role since day one of the company... which, by the by, is just over four years now. And that’s not to say he shouldn’t be. Dude is immensely talented. But very few wrestlers that have weekly television exposure get to this three, four, five year area in a specific phase of their persona and don’t start to get stale on some level without at least an alignment shift. And what sucks is that he’s probably got a great babyface run in him, but it doesn’t seem like something he’s interested in doing. I like how 3 months is a short time now for a World title btw - we've come a long way since 1999-2000. That said, MJF has been fast forward material for ages, and AEW main event has been in a slump since they ended Hangman Page's run early to give CM Punk the belt - which has to be noted as an error. I think in the moment putting the belt on Punk was the right call - he had more momentum, he had more potentially interesting avenues to go down as champion, and Hangman's title reign kind of largely sucked anyway. Everything fell apart after that with the injuries and the muffins but in the moment I think it was time for Hangman's run to end.
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Post by deezy on Feb 18, 2023 7:59:10 GMT -5
His title reign isn't going as expected in my opinion. Alot of other wrestlers I'd be saying yes, pull the plug on his reign but I just can't give up on MJF right now. His is so talented and I think he will somehow adjust and this reign will get better.
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Post by msc on Feb 18, 2023 8:02:06 GMT -5
I like how 3 months is a short time now for a World title btw - we've come a long way since 1999-2000. That said, MJF has been fast forward material for ages, and AEW main event has been in a slump since they ended Hangman Page's run early to give CM Punk the belt - which has to be noted as an error. I think in the moment putting the belt on Punk was the right call - he had more momentum, he had more potentially interesting avenues to go down as champion, and Hangman's title reign kind of largely sucked anyway. Everything fell apart after that with the injuries and the muffins but in the moment I think it was time for Hangman's run to end. Hangman's run was nearing its natural end (he was a fighting champ babyface who was going to pick off more than he could chew) but giving to Punk derailed everything with his injuries, and then failed comeback, and muffins. But it felt like a backwords step even before all of that.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 18, 2023 8:11:03 GMT -5
They should have kept faux face MJF. It was a interesting character with a lot of potential for interesting stories.
What is the story again with mjf now? He is a dick ,nothing new.
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Post by Moppy on Feb 18, 2023 8:40:11 GMT -5
They should have kept faux face MJF. It was a interesting character with a lot of potential for interesting stories. What is the story again with mjf now? He is a dick ,nothing new. 100% they should have run with ‘babyface?’ MJF for the first couple of months of his title run, just to add a bit more nuance and story to the start of what will probably be a very long reign. Would have been plenty of time to switch it up and turn him back heel at the appropriate time down the line. Plus fans were so ready to cheer him during that time, now it’s like they’re still happy to play along and boo him during his segments but they’re arguably slightly less interested in him in general.
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Post by canceled4truth on Feb 18, 2023 8:48:12 GMT -5
He has the same problem Big E and Hangman did during their title runs — no compelling story. "You have to wrestle all these random dudes before you get to me" is something he's already done like three times. The hint at a face turn right before he won the title would've been something, as it owuld've been character development, but now he's regressed to the same cheap-heat dbag he was before the Punk feud, which let him show off his acting chops and the depth of the MJF character.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Feb 18, 2023 8:49:52 GMT -5
I think his titke run so far hasn’t been great and hasn’t clicked with a lot of people buuuut I would say that’s more down to this feud than anything else. Danielson is over as f*** but most fans know he isn’t winning and, Jesus, this “you must beat x opponents before facing me” storyline..how many times has that been done now?
Once he’s done with Danielson and can move onto a better feud (hopefully), say with Cole or Omega..things should pick up.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 18, 2023 9:57:17 GMT -5
I think the Danielson feud just didn't take like people thought it would. Sometimes that will happen.
But I think they did a better job building Ricky vs MJF for Winter is Coming that MJF vs Danielson.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 18, 2023 10:03:11 GMT -5
I’m just kinda over the whole cheap heat but with cursing and yelling thing.
I know the dude has charisma but his act needs a new trick
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