Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 19, 2023 6:57:01 GMT -5
My issue going in was that you knew that your only possible winners were Asuka and at a distant 2nd, Liv.
Raquel isn't over. Mella just returned randomly. Nikki is in a half assed story with Indy, and Natalya is just there doing the same shtick she's done for a decade.
Either Bayley or Becky (preferably both) could have added intrigue and star power
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Post by mrtuesday on Feb 19, 2023 7:04:22 GMT -5
Remember when WWE had a really good women's division that would easily have had a better chamber match than the men? Granted, most of that was NXT, but still - that match was terrible. Match could def used Bayley, Becky star power but I get why they didn't put them in Highest potential is Raquel but they have to change everything about her but Asuka was head and shoulders above everyone Raquel was a natural heel in NXT that they insist on having as a smiling babyface. But the problem is that Raw already has a powerhouse heel in Piper Niven right there that they're still doing nothing with.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 19, 2023 7:13:53 GMT -5
My issue going in was that you knew that your only possible winners were Asuka and at a distant 2nd, Liv. Raquel isn't over. Mella just returned randomly. Nikki is in a half assed story with Indy, and Natalya is just there doing the same shtick she's done for a decade. Either Bayley or Becky (preferably both) could have added intrigue and star power I don't mind them giving some different women a chance. However at least give a reason for people to care about those women. Nobody other then Asuka was presented as any kind of threat or someone who had any hope of winning. Also on top of that they had Natalya and Carmella in it whom while maybe not main eventers are both former champions who have had tons of opportunities and pushes for years. Why not put say Tegan Nox and Piper Niven in those spots to at least give some different people some shine and see if maybe they can impress.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 19, 2023 7:45:28 GMT -5
My issue going in was that you knew that your only possible winners were Asuka and at a distant 2nd, Liv. Raquel isn't over. Mella just returned randomly. Nikki is in a half assed story with Indy, and Natalya is just there doing the same shtick she's done for a decade. Either Bayley or Becky (preferably both) could have added intrigue and star power I don't mind them giving some different women a chance. However at least give a reason for people to care about those women. Nobody other then Asuka was presented as any kind of threat or someone who had any hope of winning. Also on top of that they had Natalya and Carmella in it whom while maybe not main eventers are both former champions who have had tons of opportunities and pushes for years. Why not put say Tegan Nox and Piper Niven in those spots to at least give some different people some shine and see if maybe they can impress. Agreed. Put Natalya vs. Carmella on the pre-show to pop the hometown crowd for Nattie, and add Piper and Tegan to the Chamber match. I'm glad they didn't swerve us, and still had Asuka win.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 19, 2023 8:29:03 GMT -5
My issue going in was that you knew that your only possible winners were Asuka and at a distant 2nd, Liv. Raquel isn't over. Mella just returned randomly. Nikki is in a half assed story with Indy, and Natalya is just there doing the same shtick she's done for a decade. Either Bayley or Becky (preferably both) could have added intrigue and star power I don't mind them giving some different women a chance. However at least give a reason for people to care about those women. Nobody other then Asuka was presented as any kind of threat or someone who had any hope of winning. Also on top of that they had Natalya and Carmella in it whom while maybe not main eventers are both former champions who have had tons of opportunities and pushes for years. Why not put say Tegan Nox and Piper Niven in those spots to at least give some different people some shine and see if maybe they can impress.
I agree Piper would have been a good call, but I feel they might be saving her for something post-Mania and didn't want her taking a loss there.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 19, 2023 11:29:32 GMT -5
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schma
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Post by schma on Feb 19, 2023 11:45:59 GMT -5
I'm normally a big booster of women's wrestling as they've shown just how damn good they can be. This tonight though was meh. Too many of the spots were overly choreographed where you saw people move into position, it often felt like people were moving at half speed for spots which just ended up making them look clunky and the competitors felt underwhelming. That said, I haven't been watching a lot and I keep hearing Raquel isn't over but she did get some cheers at the beginning at least. I think with one or two more big stars the ending would have been a question mark but we all knew Asuka was winning this one. Overall it was okay which is a shame because more than once the women's chamber match has stolen the show.
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msc
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Post by msc on Feb 19, 2023 11:49:47 GMT -5
Natalya was there for the crowd. They loved themselves a Hart.
Liv needs better offence for her comebacks. Raquel needs carried. Natalya has always been Ikea-competent. Carmella was a waste of a spot. Nikki is still being rebuilt after the ASH rubbish.
Asuka murder clowned all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 11:52:46 GMT -5
I get what HHH was going for but saving your best worker for dead last in the match did not help.
And what the mens match had in spades that the women did not is talents are both willing and capable of doin maddening spots.
This match desperately needed Shotzi and IYO both of whom are more than willing to take the highest of risk spots in such a match and IYO can and should have been the Gargano of this match if she was allowed to be in it.
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asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 19, 2023 12:05:02 GMT -5
The way they booked Liv made them having her tap TWICE this week feel even more baffling?
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Post by coleslaw on Feb 19, 2023 12:05:51 GMT -5
I'm super glad Asuka won, but I am starting to come around on Raquel. By no means did I want her to win, but moreso I really want her to get SOME sort of gimmick or character or something because I think she's actually pretty good and is being done dirty by a lack of personality Too many of the spots were overly choreographed where you saw people move into position, it often felt like people were moving at half speed for spots which just ended up making them look clunky and the competitors felt underwhelming. Nikki's dive off of the pod was f***ing hilarious, watching everybody down below scramble to get together while Nikki just stood up there all "I'M CRAZY!!! I'M GONNA JUMP!!!.....soon!" lmao
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 19, 2023 12:09:07 GMT -5
The sunset flip powerbomb was awesome though.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 19, 2023 15:51:01 GMT -5
I get what HHH was going for but saving your best worker for dead last in the match did not help. And what the mens match had in spades that the women did not is talents are both willing and capable of doin maddening spots. This match desperately needed Shotzi and IYO both of whom are more than willing to take the highest of risk spots in such a match and IYO can and should have been the Gargano of this match if she was allowed to be in it. There wasn't really any bad workers in the match either. Carmella is probably the worst of the six and she's at least serviceable I guess. However the lack of someone really great other then Asuka probably hurt. They probably wanted to save Asuka to be the buzzsaw who comes in at the end and wrecks shop when everyone is tired. At the same time they probably had enough confidence in Natalya and to a lesser extent Liv to hold things together well enough until she got there as both have frequently been put in iron woman spots in Chambers and Rumbles. Shotz has done poorly every time they've given they've given her a chance. She was terrible in MITB and then had the bad match with Ronda at Survivor Series. Iyo is a tag champion so it wouldn't make much sense to put her in as she's someone who would've be even less likely to win then Carmella, Natalya, and Nikki. I didn't like the lineup for the match either but I think there's others who would've been better choices then those two.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 16:04:31 GMT -5
I get what HHH was going for but saving your best worker for dead last in the match did not help. And what the mens match had in spades that the women did not is talents are both willing and capable of doin maddening spots. This match desperately needed Shotzi and IYO both of whom are more than willing to take the highest of risk spots in such a match and IYO can and should have been the Gargano of this match if she was allowed to be in it. There wasn't really any bad workers in the match either. Carmella is probably the worst of the six and she's at least serviceable I guess. However the lack of someone really great other then Asuka probably hurt. They probably wanted to save Asuka to be the buzzsaw who comes in at the end and wrecks shop when everyone is tired. At the same time they probably had enough confidence in Natalya and to a lesser extent Liv to hold things together well enough until she got there as both have frequently been put in iron woman spots in Chambers and Rumbles. Shotz has done poorly every time they've given they've given her a chance. She was terrible in MITB and then had the bad match with Ronda at Survivor Series. Iyo is a tag champion so it wouldn't make much sense to put her in as she's someone who would've be even less likely to win then Carmella, Natalya, and Nikki. I didn't like the lineup for the match either but I think there's others who would've been better choices then those two. To be fair I am just taking the enviroment into my main view here and figuring which women would excell best in it that were not in. And I do that purely based on why the mens chamber excelled like it did because IMO it had both talents who brought different things to that match and you had multiple guys who were willing to take the stupid ima probably be crippled after this risks. The womens match was of everything lacking that and that is why I suggested IYO and Shotzi because with IYO I go off her experience in the wargames matches and she is pretty much slways the one doing the big deathdefying spots and Shotzi is just someone you don't need to ask to have her just throw her body into any and everything for big holy shit she is dead moments and the chamber isn't something you would have needed her to do anything other than be a supreme bump machine. And speaking of I thought Shotzi looked very good the best she has in months on SD
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 19, 2023 17:16:12 GMT -5
They could have put Candice in there as well. She’s very experienced and could have helped hold things together.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 19, 2023 19:49:58 GMT -5
There wasn't really any bad workers in the match either. Carmella is probably the worst of the six and she's at least serviceable I guess. However the lack of someone really great other then Asuka probably hurt. They probably wanted to save Asuka to be the buzzsaw who comes in at the end and wrecks shop when everyone is tired. At the same time they probably had enough confidence in Natalya and to a lesser extent Liv to hold things together well enough until she got there as both have frequently been put in iron woman spots in Chambers and Rumbles. Shotz has done poorly every time they've given they've given her a chance. She was terrible in MITB and then had the bad match with Ronda at Survivor Series. Iyo is a tag champion so it wouldn't make much sense to put her in as she's someone who would've be even less likely to win then Carmella, Natalya, and Nikki. I didn't like the lineup for the match either but I think there's others who would've been better choices then those two. To be fair I am just taking the enviroment into my main view here and figuring which women would excell best in it that were not in. And I do that purely based on why the mens chamber excelled like it did because IMO it had both talents who brought different things to that match and you had multiple guys who were willing to take the stupid ima probably be crippled after this risks. The womens match was of everything lacking that and that is why I suggested IYO and Shotzi because with IYO I go off her experience in the wargames matches and she is pretty much slways the one doing the big deathdefying spots and Shotzi is just someone you don't need to ask to have her just throw her body into any and everything for big holy shit she is dead moments and the chamber isn't something you would have needed her to do anything other than be a supreme bump machine. And speaking of I thought Shotzi looked very good the best she has in months on SD That’s true re: Shotzi, but it helped that Ronda had her bumping boots on.
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