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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 18, 2023 23:37:33 GMT -5
So Asuka vs. Bianca Belair at WrestleMania it is! Hopefully Bianca doesn't just dismiss her out of hand at every turn, dominate the whole match, then win decisively like she always does.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Feb 18, 2023 23:39:50 GMT -5
Remember when WWE had a really good women's division that would easily have had a better chamber match than the men? Granted, most of that was NXT, but still - that match was terrible.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 18, 2023 23:46:48 GMT -5
Remember when WWE had a really good women's division that would easily have had a better chamber match than the men? Granted, most of that was NXT, but still - that match was terrible. Match could def used Bayley, Becky star power but I get why they didn't put them in Highest potential is Raquel but they have to change everything about her but Asuka was head and shoulders above everyone |
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 18, 2023 23:47:27 GMT -5
The Women’s Chamber match was fun. The order of eliminations was a bit weird (Liv and Asuka had the story going into this match and they had they staredown on SD, they should have been the final two imo). But still the right woman won and Asuka vs. Bianca should be awesome.
Speaking of awesome, Liv was just there in this match. And she was over as well. I hope Triple H has something good for her at Mania.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 18, 2023 23:48:21 GMT -5
Did Liv piss somebody off or something? I get it can be argued she was protected tonight, but this is 3 pretty big losses in short order.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:09:14 GMT -5
Did Liv piss somebody off or something? I get it can be argued she was protected tonight, but this is 3 pretty big losses in short order. That's been her thing since she lost the title with the whole I am crazy enough to do anything to win Corey even alluded she is searching for the big lights again and taking risk to get the title again which is hurting her |
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Post by XIII on Feb 19, 2023 0:13:11 GMT -5
Asuka almost exists to lose at WM so I fully expect Bianca to handily beat her and send her back down the card. I mean this will likely be the third most important women’s match anyways. Charlotte/Rhea SHOULD be a big deal but we’ll see and if Becky and Lita are doing something you know that’s going to get a ton of focus.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 19, 2023 0:25:41 GMT -5
Carmella coming runner-up was an odd choice, but the match was still fairly fun. At this point I'm guessing Bianca retains (because she hasn't retained at a Mania yet, she's only won titles) over Asuka. What happens after may be more interesting, though.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:30:55 GMT -5
Carmella coming runner-up was an odd choice, but the match was still fairly fun. At this point I'm guessing Bianca retains (because she hasn't retained at a Mania yet, she's only won titles) over Asuka. What happens after may be more interesting, though. I am assuming they have Asuka win and give Bianca her first person she can't really beat If she beats Asuka she has no one else to fight and that basically leaves door open for Charlotte to beat her (assuming Charlotte takes the L) |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 19, 2023 1:27:20 GMT -5
Definitely think they should do Asuka / Bianca on night two because it'd be the anniversary of Bianca's title reign. Feels like you could lean into that with it and if you did it on the night before feel like there'd be too much temptation to have Bianca win.
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Post by gl83 on Feb 19, 2023 3:33:20 GMT -5
Carmella coming runner-up was an odd choice, but the match was still fairly fun. At this point I'm guessing Bianca retains (because she hasn't retained at a Mania yet, she's only won titles) over Asuka. What happens after may be more interesting, though. I am assuming they have Asuka win and give Bianca her first person she can't really beat If she beats Asuka she has no one else to fight and that basically leaves door open for Charlotte to beat her (assuming Charlotte takes the L) Imagine if Ronda/Shayna win the tag titles and instead of using them to try to rejuvenate the tag division, they instead are used to move them to Raw and challenge for the Raw Women’s title post-WM. |
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Post by gl83 on Feb 19, 2023 3:36:05 GMT -5
Definitely think they should do Asuka / Bianca on night two because it'd be the anniversary of Bianca's title reign. Feels like you could lean into that with it and if you did it on the night before feel like there'd be too much temptation to have Bianca win. What, Bianca fast approaching Becky’s record as the “longest reigning Raw Women’s champion of all time wasn’t temptation enough. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 19, 2023 4:05:38 GMT -5
Carmella coming runner-up was an odd choice, but the match was still fairly fun. At this point I'm guessing Bianca retains (because she hasn't retained at a Mania yet, she's only won titles) over Asuka. What happens after may be more interesting, though. I am assuming they have Asuka win and give Bianca her first person she can't really beat If she beats Asuka she has no one else to fight and that basically leaves door open for Charlotte to beat her (assuming Charlotte takes the L)
Yeah, I'm suspecting the Charlotte-to-Raw route, though I respect that's gonna be an unpopular call. Bianca needs someone she can chase again, as she's been booked so dominantly that there's no suspense in her matches anymore. And unfortunately, unlike Roman there isn't enough else going on to make that still fine, particularly with her feuds being pretty there for a while now.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 19, 2023 4:20:51 GMT -5
Feel like it was stupid to tease Becky or Bayley for this thing just to have them both not in it
Right winner... but man the women's division needs a lot of work.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 19, 2023 4:24:52 GMT -5
Definitely think they should do Asuka / Bianca on night two because it'd be the anniversary of Bianca's title reign. Feels like you could lean into that with it and if you did it on the night before feel like there'd be too much temptation to have Bianca win. I think it also makes sense to not have both Rumble challengers on the same night. My guess is that if Rhea wins, Charlotte might go to Raw to challenge a retaining Bianca. But, if Charlotte stays a part of Smackdown, win, lose or draw, then Bianca loses. It's not like it'd be a huge setback, exactly. Asuka is probably the person with the most consistent wins over Becky, and has wins over Charlotte (albeit Charlotte's beat her more times) and Bayley. Bianca, Rhea, and Asuka are not exactly worlds apart from each other or the Horsewomen at this point, in terms of how credibly they are treated. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 19, 2023 5:44:00 GMT -5
Definitely think they should do Asuka / Bianca on night two because it'd be the anniversary of Bianca's title reign. Feels like you could lean into that with it and if you did it on the night before feel like there'd be too much temptation to have Bianca win. I think it also makes sense to not have both Rumble challengers on the same night. My guess is that if Rhea wins, Charlotte might go to Raw to challenge a retaining Bianca. But, if Charlotte stays a part of Smackdown, win, lose or draw, then Bianca loses. It's not like it'd be a huge setback, exactly. Asuka is probably the person with the most consistent wins over Becky, and has wins over Charlotte (albeit Charlotte's beat her more times) and Bayley. Bianca, Rhea, and Asuka are not exactly worlds apart from each other or the Horsewomen at this point, in terms of how credibly they are treated. Honestly Bianca is above all the 4HW at this point as far as being booked strong goes. Only one she hasn't beat yet is Charlotte and she's dominated the other three in feuds. I would also say Rhea is above Bayley and Sasha. Doesn't have the accolades yet but as far as being booked strong and how she's presented I would say she's above. Asuka it's hard to say where she ranks as she flunctuates so much from being booked super strong to not really not that strong. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 19, 2023 5:49:51 GMT -5
I think it also makes sense to not have both Rumble challengers on the same night. My guess is that if Rhea wins, Charlotte might go to Raw to challenge a retaining Bianca. But, if Charlotte stays a part of Smackdown, win, lose or draw, then Bianca loses. It's not like it'd be a huge setback, exactly. Asuka is probably the person with the most consistent wins over Becky, and has wins over Charlotte (albeit Charlotte's beat her more times) and Bayley. Bianca, Rhea, and Asuka are not exactly worlds apart from each other or the Horsewomen at this point, in terms of how credibly they are treated. Honestly Bianca is above all the 4HW at this point as far as being booked strong goes. Only one she hasn't beat yet is Charlotte and she's dominated the other three in feuds. I would also say Rhea is above Bayley and Sasha. Doesn't have the accolades yet but as far as being booked strong and how she's presented I would say she's above. Asuka it's hard to say where she ranks as she flunctuates so much from being booked super strong to not really not that strong. I am not necessarily disagreeing there about Bianca's strength, but I'm also taking past accolades into account, too. But yes, Bianca and Rhea have probably closed the gap more and more in the past year or two. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 19, 2023 6:04:10 GMT -5
Honestly Bianca is above all the 4HW at this point as far as being booked strong goes. Only one she hasn't beat yet is Charlotte and she's dominated the other three in feuds. I would also say Rhea is above Bayley and Sasha. Doesn't have the accolades yet but as far as being booked strong and how she's presented I would say she's above. Asuka it's hard to say where she ranks as she flunctuates so much from being booked super strong to not really not that strong. I am not necessarily disagreeing there about Bianca's strength, but I'm also taking past accolades into account, too. But yes, Bianca and Rhea have probably closed the gap more and more in the past year or two. Even from an accolade standpoint I think Bianca is up there with them. Charlotte is above her obviously but I think she's about on par with the other three. She's been champion a few times, has two Mania title wins, and won a Rumble. If you take out accolades and just go by strength of booking I would rank them (and I'm including Ronda too since she's also obviously in the upper echelon of woman consistently present well): 1. Bianca 2. Ronda 3. Becky 4. Charlotte 5. Rhea 6. Sasha 7. Bayley 8. Asuka |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 19, 2023 6:24:35 GMT -5
I am not necessarily disagreeing there about Bianca's strength, but I'm also taking past accolades into account, too. But yes, Bianca and Rhea have probably closed the gap more and more in the past year or two. Even from an accolade standpoint I think Bianca is up there with them. Charlotte is above her obviously but I think she's about on par with the other three. She's been champion a few times, has two Mania title wins, and won a Rumble. If you take out accolades and just go by strength of booking I would rank them (and I'm including Ronda too since she's also obviously in the upper echelon of woman consistently present well): 1. Bianca 2. Ronda 3. Becky 4. Charlotte 5. Rhea 6. Sasha 7. Bayley 8. Asuka Based on the "Match Points" stat from my points rankings, based on 20 years of data (2003-2022, because of small sample size I'm not accounting for the first few weeks of 2023 for this stat), here are the strongest-booked women of the last 20 years. The points earned and lost are based on factors like title wins, wins on major shows, that kind of thing:  The only one that is incomplete based on full career stats here is Trish Stratus, who debuted in 2000. Other talents in the rankings such as Lita (2000 debut), Ivory (1999 debut) and Victoria (2002 debut) could potentially be up here once I complete more previous years. Also, some talents may have hurt their average points per year by virtue of one-off returns in the Rumble and whatnot (Phoenix, Bella Twins, McCool) knocking down their score and adding another calendar year to calculations. It's not foolproof, but I think it gives a good idea of things. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 19, 2023 6:44:48 GMT -5
I think it also makes sense to not have both Rumble challengers on the same night. My guess is that if Rhea wins, Charlotte might go to Raw to challenge a retaining Bianca. But, if Charlotte stays a part of Smackdown, win, lose or draw, then Bianca loses. It's not like it'd be a huge setback, exactly. Asuka is probably the person with the most consistent wins over Becky, and has wins over Charlotte (albeit Charlotte's beat her more times) and Bayley. Bianca, Rhea, and Asuka are not exactly worlds apart from each other or the Horsewomen at this point, in terms of how credibly they are treated. Honestly Bianca is above all the 4HW at this point as far as being booked strong goes. Only one she hasn't beat yet is Charlotte and she's dominated the other three in feuds. I would also say Rhea is above Bayley and Sasha. Doesn't have the accolades yet but as far as being booked strong and how she's presented I would say she's above. Asuka it's hard to say where she ranks as she flunctuates so much from being booked super strong to not really not that strong.
Bianca's already beaten Charlotte twice by DQ, in 2021. The first time Becky interrupted a pin after Bianca hit the KOD, the second time Charlotte DQed herself, then Bianca beat her up after the match. So she technically doesn't have a pin over her, but she's already been shown as stronger. I agree on Rhea, but the interesting thing is that she doesn't really have the wins against other other high-level wrestlers, though she already has a few wins over Asuka. She pinned Charlotte once in a triple-threat on Smackdown, only pinned Sasha after interference from Candice/Iyo at Survivor Series 2019, has never pinned Bayley, and her only singles match with Becky was in NXT. She also beat Bianca a few times in NXT, but Bianca pinned her twice in a week last year, albeit with some protection. I think those big wins will be coming but they're not there yet. Of course, this isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it means a lot of fresh feuds, and no need to worry about the issue with Bianca where she's already beaten virtually everybody multiple times already.
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