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Post by chazraps on Feb 22, 2023 21:56:31 GMT -5
When was the last time WWE actually did a red herring?
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Feb 22, 2023 22:09:15 GMT -5
It makes sense that HHH & Co would take a chance at this when Omos/Strowman got such massive attention online with their stuff together.
I get that we all would prefer Gunther vs Lesnar but that was literally never in the cards this year when he’s got the IC belt and Drew and Sheamus need something to do.
Also it’ll be nice to see Lesnar get his first WM victory since 34.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Feb 23, 2023 0:40:32 GMT -5
Part of me feels like this will be the official reuniting of the Hurt Business.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 23, 2023 1:39:44 GMT -5
When was the last time WWE actually did a red herring? Batista vs Orton at Mania 30, Althought that was more so their hand being forced lol
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Post by chazraps on Feb 23, 2023 14:10:40 GMT -5
When was the last time WWE actually did a red herring? Batista vs Orton at Mania 30, Althought that was more so their hand being forced lol Yeah, that wasn't a red herring. It's been confirmed by multiple sources, including Bryan himself, that he was originally planned to face Sheamus at WM 30 by the time of the Rumble. WWE doesn't do red herrings.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Feb 23, 2023 14:22:50 GMT -5
It'll draw 8m. I'm being serious. Every bad idea they have draws more
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 23, 2023 14:33:35 GMT -5
Batista vs Orton at Mania 30, Althought that was more so their hand being forced lol Yeah, that wasn't a red herring. It's been confirmed by multiple sources, including Bryan himself, that he was originally planned to face Sheamus at WM 30 by the time of the Rumble. WWE doesn't do red herrings. I just thought of another one. When Finn Balor won a #1 contenders match to face Roman at Summerslam and Cena ended up signing the contract and for some reason that made him the #1 contender lol
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 23, 2023 14:34:09 GMT -5
But In all honesty though, I’d rather have Brock take on Omos than be in the main event scene
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 23, 2023 14:41:07 GMT -5
Batista vs Orton at Mania 30, Althought that was more so their hand being forced lol Yeah, that wasn't a red herring. It's been confirmed by multiple sources, including Bryan himself, that he was originally planned to face Sheamus at WM 30 by the time of the Rumble. WWE doesn't do red herrings. They did it with Roman-Balor in 2021 that was switched to Roman-Cena. They also did it with Kofi in the build to his Mania title match, by advertising him for a title match at Fastlane twice and then having Vince pull him from the match at the last minute twice (once at the contract signing and once at the PPV itself). Not sure how far ahead they planned it but they had Jinder vs. Lesnar as the Survivor Series match until they had Styles beat Jinder two weeks before the show and take the title and his place in the match against Lesnar.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 23, 2023 14:50:02 GMT -5
Yeah, that wasn't a red herring. It's been confirmed by multiple sources, including Bryan himself, that he was originally planned to face Sheamus at WM 30 by the time of the Rumble. WWE doesn't do red herrings. They did it with Roman-Balor in 2021 that was switched to Roman-Cena. They also did it with Kofi in the build to his Mania title match, by advertising him for a title match at Fastlane twice and then having Vince pull him from the match at the last minute twice (once at the contract signing and once at the PPV itself). Not sure how far ahead they planned it but they had Jinder vs. Lesnar as the Survivor Series match until they had Styles beat Jinder two weeks before the show and take the title and his place in the match against Lesnar. They also did it the next year when AJ vs Brock 2 was scheduled but Bryan was added as a last min replacement, and 2020 when Drew beat Orton for the title and took on Roman
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 23, 2023 14:52:20 GMT -5
If it goes ahead I can only think they just want to give Brock a quick, easy win after losing his last 3 Wrestlemania matches and losing most/every match in his recent feuds with Roman and Bobby. Looking at the roster and who isn't already tied up for Wrestlemania (I'm assuming Gunther will be with Sheamus/Drew), I still think there's at least one or two better options for Brock. Bronson Reed for example. Just being in a Wrestlemania match with Brock would immediately raise his value in fan's eyes, especially if he has a good showing in the match When was the last time WWE actually did a red herring? I can't recall a whole lot of examples. Edge last year before he turned heel questioned who he would face at Wrestlemania and dropped an undeniable line to tease that he might be Cody's first opponent. Braun seemingly coming out to challenge Undertaker for Wrestlemania 33 before being interrupted by Roman who ended up being the real opponent. When they were teasing the guest host of Wrestlemania 27 they showed an unnamed woman getting out of a limo which was never mentioned again. At the Raw Homecoming show in 2005 Hogan challenged Austin to a match which obviously never happened but that was less a red herring and more Hogan going into business for himself and not clearing it with Austin or Vince first.
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Post by "The Natural" Bustin Loads on Feb 23, 2023 15:00:11 GMT -5
What about Sasha/Bianca at Summerslam 2021? Becky returned and beat Bianca in seconds to set up the eventual WM match. A lot of people speculated Sasha might've been injured or upset about creative but I don't recall either ever being confirmed.
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Post by schma on Feb 23, 2023 16:02:09 GMT -5
Also, the Summerslam where it was set to be Becky/Carmella then Charlotte got added about a week before. Though it may not be the best example, that match was the catalyst for "the man". Or rather the first step on that road.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 16:12:50 GMT -5
It's been 30 years since Andre passed and not a day has gone by since his last match that they've been trying to make a new Andre with guys they personally trained. Maybe it's time to admit that you're not cut out of training a second Andre.
Not to go off subject, but Vince HAD a new Andre whose name is Paul Wight. He was more athletic of a worker and could do more than Andre, too. I said what I said.
Why he wasn't made into a new Andre in terms of stature and push, I'll never know.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 23, 2023 16:28:24 GMT -5
I see WWE do more obvious last minute plan changes than actual red herrings. The closest I can think of for WWE doing an actual red herring recently is some of the White Rabbit clues in the website code hinting at Malakai and Joe Gacy.
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Post by schma on Feb 23, 2023 16:34:03 GMT -5
It's been 30 years since Andre passed and not a day has gone by since his last match that they've been trying to make a new Andre with guys they personally trained. Maybe it's time to admit that you're not cut out of training a second Andre.
Not to go off subject, but Vince HAD a new Andre whose name is Paul Wight. He was more athletic of a worker and could do more than Andre, too. I said what I said.
Why he wasn't made into a new Andre in terms of stature and push, I'll never know.
I suspect there's a couple factors. A lot of their stars were much taller/bigger when Paul Showed up. I remember seeing a rumble Andre was in and it was him towering over Hogan who then towered over basically everyone else.
He probably also took issue with the fact that WCW had already basically made him Andre the Giant. It's a stupid reason but this is Vince after all.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 23, 2023 16:37:54 GMT -5
It's been 30 years since Andre passed and not a day has gone by since his last match that they've been trying to make a new Andre with guys they personally trained. Maybe it's time to admit that you're not cut out of training a second Andre.
Not to go off subject, but Vince HAD a new Andre whose name is Paul Wight. He was more athletic of a worker and could do more than Andre, too. I said what I said.
Why he wasn't made into a new Andre in terms of stature and push, I'll never know.
Andre was a great attraction because he was able to bounce from territory to territory, whereas Show was in the company for almost 20 years straight (with a small break in the middle).
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 23, 2023 16:40:00 GMT -5
Not to go off subject, but Vince HAD a new Andre whose name is Paul Wight. He was more athletic of a worker and could do more than Andre, too. I said what I said. Why he wasn't made into a new Andre in terms of stature and push, I'll never know.
I suspect there's a couple factors. A lot of their stars were much taller/bigger when Paul Showed up. I remember seeing a rumble Andre was in and it was him towering over Hogan who then towered over basically everyone else. He probably also took issue with the fact that WCW had already basically made him Andre the Giant. It's a stupid reason but this is Vince after all.
There’s also the fact that the structure of wrestling television at that time (or any time since) just doesn’t allow for an Andre The Giant-esque travelling attraction to happen. Andre would’ve been greatly exposed if he was appearing every week and having matches every week.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 23, 2023 17:31:46 GMT -5
It's been 30 years since Andre passed and not a day has gone by since his last match that they've been trying to make a new Andre with guys they personally trained. Maybe it's time to admit that you're not cut out of training a second Andre. Not to go off subject, but Vince HAD a new Andre whose name is Paul Wight. He was more athletic of a worker and could do more than Andre, too. I said what I said. Why he wasn't made into a new Andre in terms of stature and push, I'll never know.
I mean when Big Show came in, they had Austin, Rock, And HHH who were all much bigger deals, then when Austin and Rock left and Show was drafted to Smackdown they had Eddie, Benoit, Angle, Brock and Cena who were all also catching heat. Unfortunately there was no good time For him to be pushed
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 23, 2023 19:54:30 GMT -5
They did it with Roman-Balor in 2021 that was switched to Roman-Cena. They also did it with Kofi in the build to his Mania title match, by advertising him for a title match at Fastlane twice and then having Vince pull him from the match at the last minute twice (once at the contract signing and once at the PPV itself). Not sure how far ahead they planned it but they had Jinder vs. Lesnar as the Survivor Series match until they had Styles beat Jinder two weeks before the show and take the title and his place in the match against Lesnar. They also did it the next year when AJ vs Brock 2 was scheduled but Bryan was added as a last min replacement, and 2020 when Drew beat Orton for the title and took on Roman There was also a week or so when the advertised Universal title match at the Royal Rumble 2021 was Roman defending against Adam Pearce.
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