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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 27, 2023 23:13:52 GMT -5
He's implying that there's no one in AEW making less than $100,000 a year... I genuinely want to see a payroll now. I really think Joey's talking out of his ass there, there are definitely different contracts for how people are being used. PPA deals are likely less, ROH deals are likely a bit less, but idk man there are some clear tiers in AEW in terms of how people are used, I don't know what classifies as a seven figure to a six figure either, he doesn't specify it.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Feb 27, 2023 23:33:04 GMT -5
He's implying that there's no one in AEW making less than $100,000 a year... I genuinely want to see a payroll now. I really think Joey's talking out of his ass there, there are definitely different contracts for how people are being used. PPA deals are likely less, ROH deals are likely a bit less, but idk man there are some clear tiers in AEW in terms of how people are used, I don't know what classifies as a seven figure to a six figure either, he doesn't specify it. I'm willing to accept the notion that Janela is talking out of his ass. No question. Maybe the contracts he's referring to are multi-year? Then $100,000 over two or three years would seem more likely and reasonable... Or maybe Janela doesn't know you're not supposed to count the two digits AFTER the decimal point when mention a 'six figure' amount.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 27, 2023 23:43:07 GMT -5
Even if Joey had some sort of point (he doesn't at all), AEW needs to pay competitive salaries and/or provide perks and incentives as a major promotion. Otherwise, WWE can easily outbid anyone of interest and they eventually become another Impact or MLW.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 27, 2023 23:49:55 GMT -5
I can't think of one AEW talent who has come into AEW and regressed in ring if that's what he meant Everyone has been allowed to be themselves with little to no restrictions, even Nick Gage... Maybe Miro? if the talk of him turning down storylines is true I guess? that would fit more in the coasting then regressing but still... If it's true he turned down coming back just to lose to Hobbs, I honestly think that was the right call. Monster heel vs Monster heel with no build would have been stupid, especially given how selectively Miro has lost so far. Like, has anyone but Guevara pinned him in AEW yet? And even that was with tons of protection.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 28, 2023 0:32:30 GMT -5
Maybe Miro? if the talk of him turning down storylines is true I guess? that would fit more in the coasting then regressing but still... If it's true he turned down coming back just to lose to Hobbs, I honestly think that was the right call. Monster heel vs Monster heel with no build would have been stupid, especially given how selectively Miro has lost so far. Like, has anyone but Guevara pinned him in AEW yet? And even that was with tons of protection. Danielson did, but he's still very protected even still
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 28, 2023 1:41:35 GMT -5
Joey Janela is a talentless big-mouth who thinks way too highly of himself and his stupid takes that are hotter than his boots during that one spot where he lit his foot on fire.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Feb 28, 2023 2:06:09 GMT -5
This guy kinda sucks when he's not trolling Drake Wuertz.
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Post by pinja on Feb 28, 2023 2:11:05 GMT -5
Joey Janela pays his employees in a textile factory with potato skins and thinks that is why they work for 18 hours a day.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 28, 2023 2:12:05 GMT -5
This guy kinda sucks when he's not trolling Drake Wuertz. But he's amazing when he's trolling Drake Wuertz, which is why it's so frustrating that he isn't just always trolling Drake Wuertz.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 28, 2023 2:59:45 GMT -5
'I for one think it would be better for the business if guys were paid less.'
That might be the worst take in the history of wrestling
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Post by eJm on Feb 28, 2023 4:04:45 GMT -5
I'd argue wrestlers should be payed more.
Like, I guarantee you that there are people playing for the big Premier League football teams who spend most of the time on the bench or only play Cup games who are payed more per year than Roman Reigns which, even for his present schedule, feels mindblowing.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 28, 2023 4:40:26 GMT -5
I'd argue wrestlers should be payed more. Like, I guarantee you that there are people playing for the big Premier League football teams who spend most of the time on the bench or only play Cup games who are payed more per year than Roman Reigns which, even for his present schedule, feels mindblowing. I also find it weird that Joey's saying this means they're more complacent and don't do Indie dates as often I see a shit ton of AEW wrestlers booked on high and low Indies who are up and down the cards. I feel like only a few like Jericho, Hager, etc don't do anything else, HOOK because he's only worked like 20 matches ever and is a true AEW product, Britt Baker too but she's literally a dentist when she isn't wrestling so she wouldn't have to? But JUST AEW themed shows? I can only think of a handful of talents who don't do anything else. Thunder Rosa's schedule was nuts just as one example. Mox and Omega pre-injury rehab also worked a ton of dates too. I just feel like if he's talking talents that don't work Indies I can really only think of a few and to accuse them of being complacent because of money is just low, because he can't actually know what these people are thinking or why they may or may not be taking bookings, and for him to judge them regardless is just... well again, kinda shitty. Not every wrestler has to come up the same or act the same.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 28, 2023 7:00:10 GMT -5
Joey Janela is, in the kindest terms, a deeply passionate guy about wrestling.
However, he is also a really easy guy to dunk on. He spouts stupid shit and gets in over his head. He takes shots at people, sometimes with good reason, but not always. He puts up with a lot of terrible treatment, but also says horrid shit to people. He busts his ass in the ring, and can do cool shit, but we've also seen him totally wipe out, too, from trying spots he had no business trying. He didn't have the AEW tenure he likely thought he deserved, but looking back on it, he also did way better than many of his most vocal doubters thought that he could, and he did contribute to AEW's early identity in a way I appreciate.
He just really needs to lay off the White Claws and think before he speaks more.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 28, 2023 8:45:46 GMT -5
I'd argue wrestlers should be payed more. Like, I guarantee you that there are people playing for the big Premier League football teams who spend most of the time on the bench or only play Cup games who are payed more per year than Roman Reigns which, even for his present schedule, feels mindblowing. I also find it weird that Joey's saying this means they're more complacent and don't do Indie dates as often I see a shit ton of AEW wrestlers booked on high and low Indies who are up and down the cards. I feel like only a few like Jericho, Hager, etc don't do anything else, HOOK because he's only worked like 20 matches ever and is a true AEW product, Britt Baker too but she's literally a dentist when she isn't wrestling so she wouldn't have to? But JUST AEW themed shows? I can only think of a handful of talents who don't do anything else. Thunder Rosa's schedule was nuts just as one example. Mox and Omega pre-injury rehab also worked a ton of dates too. I just feel like if he's talking talents that don't work Indies I can really only think of a few and to accuse them of being complacent because of money is just low, because he can't actually know what these people are thinking or why they may or may not be taking bookings, and for him to judge them regardless is just... well again, kinda shitty. Not every wrestler has to come up the same or act the same. From all accounts AEW wrestlers are basically told take whatever outside bookings and projects you want just let us know first. There have only been a handful of times AEW had their wrestlers pulled from indy bookings. Recently for the ROH tapings, but any other time I think it's been because of either promoters doing something messed up or people on the show being people AEW didn't want associated with (I THINK AEW pulled wrestlers who were gonna be on a show with Patrick Clark, and then the promoter ended up having to pull Clark?) I always go back to doing the Speaking Out Movement when a woman who worked backstage with a lot of indy companies in the Northeast talked about how poorly she was treated in CHIKARA and Joey asked why she didn't tell dirty stories about CZW? She said she never was treated poorly there so didn't have anything to say. Joey then basically berated her for the response being "if anybody had issues there please share them, but I didn't and I didn't see anything so it's not my story to tell" And of course you have his twitter drama with Michael St Laurent from MLW. MSL was also instigating but Joey took it way too far. I don't think Joey is a bad guy, but I do think as you said he needs to lay off the white claw and think a bit more.
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Post by Glitch on Feb 28, 2023 8:46:42 GMT -5
Better to be a place that overpays than underpays.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 28, 2023 9:19:16 GMT -5
He's implying that there's no one in AEW making less than $100,000 a year... I genuinely want to see a payroll now. I can’t imagine a talent signed to a full-time deal not making at least $100,000 in this day and age. WWE main roster talent make a minimum of $250,000 by comparison.
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Post by RKTaker on Feb 28, 2023 10:04:48 GMT -5
Yeah when I watch Dynamite what I really feel is "Wow everyone here looks really complacent, sure aren't doing much" yeah the worst part about the Elite vs Death Triangle best of 7 is how complacent everyone looked and they didn’t do anything
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 28, 2023 10:10:00 GMT -5
He's implying that there's no one in AEW making less than $100,000 a year... I genuinely want to see a payroll now. I can’t imagine a talent signed to a full-time deal not making at least $100,000 in this day and age. WWE main roster talent make a minimum of $250,000 by comparison. When AEW first started a "starter" contract was between 40 and 75k but the article I found that in (which was about MJF during his contract issues) it also mentions that when Turner gave AEW a bigger deal those contracts were reworked and everybody got substantial raises. After that? Looking up AEW contracts takes you to sites that I don't know how reliable they are, but they claim Mox is on a $6 million deal With Jericho, and Kenny on $3 million, with Hangman, the Bucks, Nyla Rose, and the Lucha Bros on $2 million as the highest earners... but those numbers are from a 2 year old article that is from a source I'm assuming isn't very accurate (sports lister)
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 28, 2023 10:35:05 GMT -5
...who the hell is regressing? The only one I can think of is Sammy, but that’s more his out of the ring drama, though I think his selling has gotten worse.
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 28, 2023 11:28:35 GMT -5
He's implying that there's no one in AEW making less than $100,000 a year... I genuinely want to see a payroll now.
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